1. cardfan's Avatar
    The kb dock? That's limited. Not to mention an accident waiting to happen in my household with the 3yr old running around. Doesn't look that sturdy and you do have to touch that screen.

    BT keyboard? Still need a better dock IMO. It's better than the first option though.

    The screen itself? I think this will be rough. It's too wide in portait for thumb typing. Landscape requires a lap or playing folding games with the iPad cover. Even then...

    I did think of something that could be nice. A way to use the iphone to input data. I won't lug a kb around. But i do lug an iphone. And i can type pretty fast on it.
    03-26-2010 12:09 PM
  2. Rene Ritchie's Avatar
    That would be a nifty idea. I'm sure we'll see a numeric pad iPhone app for iPad soon enough...
    03-26-2010 12:15 PM
  3. BriDroid's Avatar
    I've already got the BT keyboard on the way and the Apple case also ordered (as I patiently await my iPad). I figure the case will prop it up nicely while I peck away. I'm interested in seeing how well the on-screen keyboard works. Cardfan, your idea of tethering your iPhone to iPad for keypad support is a good idea.
    03-26-2010 12:35 PM
  4. sting7k's Avatar
    The kb dock? That's limited. Not to mention an accident waiting to happen in my household with the 3yr old running around. Doesn't look that sturdy and you do have to touch that screen.

    BT keyboard? Still need a better dock IMO. It's better than the first option though.

    The screen itself? I think this will be rough. It's too wide in portait for thumb typing. Landscape requires a lap or playing folding games with the iPad cover. Even then...

    I did think of something that could be nice. A way to use the iphone to input data. I won't lug a kb around. But i do lug an iphone. And i can type pretty fast on it.
    Would you not feel the least bit ridiculous sitting there typing an email/note/forum post in Safari/etc. on your iPad with your iPhone as an input device?
    03-26-2010 09:42 PM
  5. msm0511's Avatar
    I'm using my Air Mouse app to type this from my iPhone to my MacBook. Could they just not do an app for using the iPhone to do the same thing for the iPad?
    03-27-2010 01:48 PM
  6. MikeCase's Avatar
    I'm using my Air Mouse app to type this from my iPhone to my MacBook. Could they just not do an app for using the iPhone to do the same thing for the iPad?
    That would require a receiving app running on the iPad in the background unless it was specifically built into the OS. I doubt there will be anyway of controlling an iPad from an iPhone.

    I'll be using they onscreen keyboard since I won't be doing much typing on it. If I do, I can just pair my BT keyboard to it temporarily to get the job done.
    03-28-2010 09:24 PM
  7. Big Dookie's Avatar
    Yeah, any basic bluetooth keyboard will work with it, so that's likely what I'll be using at home and the office. Out and about, the keyboard looks plenty big enough in landscape mode that I could touch-type with it laying flat on whatever surface I'm using.

    Other than the idea of it being a numeric keypad like Rene said, the idea of using an iPhone to input data this way seems kind of silly.
    03-28-2010 09:31 PM
  8. msm0511's Avatar
    That would require a receiving app running on the iPad in the background unless it was specifically built into the OS.
    Doh!!! I'm an *****. Didn't even think about the multitasking aspect.
    03-28-2010 09:37 PM
  9. MikeCase's Avatar
    the idea of using an iPhone to input data this way seems kind of silly.
    I agree. The iPad is meant to be held in the hand, why use another handheld device to use as input?

    Doh!!! I'm an *****. Didn't even think about the multitasking aspect.
    Yeah it's easy to forget that it's running the iPhone OS and can't multitask like a desktop
    03-28-2010 09:54 PM
  10. Lady Kaede's Avatar
    I'd use the soft KB in landscape (I'm crazy that way). Sure, I'd need a table, but I'd need that for dock/BT keyboard, too. If I can get fast on the iPhone, how much faster could I get on something close to "real" size?
    03-29-2010 12:22 PM
  11. Leanna Lofte's Avatar
    Most of the time that I'd be using an iPad will be when I'm sitting down relaxing anyway, so I'll probably use landscape mode on my lap like Steve did during the keynote.
    03-29-2010 12:43 PM
  12. GinoDotCom's Avatar
    I don't know about you guys, but I don't plan on doing much typing at all on the ipad!

    Otherwise, the Apple case seems to give the ipad about a 25degree tilt which will work when placing it on a flat table.
    03-29-2010 02:30 PM
  13. Fairoasis2's Avatar
    I just ordered the wireless keyboard. I had ordered the dock when I placed my pre-order for the 3G thinking that the keyboard/dock combo would be too stationary. At least now, I'll be getting SOMETHING from Apple this weekend.
    03-29-2010 06:32 PM
  14. BriDroid's Avatar
    I just ordered the wireless keyboard. I had ordered the dock when I placed my pre-order for the 3G thinking that the keyboard/dock combo would be too stationary. At least now, I'll be getting SOMETHING from Apple this weekend.
    Yes, something from Apple indeed. I'll get my wireless keyboard tomorrow! Now I only need await my Apple case and iPad itself
    03-29-2010 07:17 PM
  15. buddyclub94's Avatar
    i have a friend who ordered the wireless keyboard from apple but didn't worked, don't know why, he just returned it for an exchange...
    let you guys know,
    03-29-2010 07:18 PM
  16. Readover's Avatar
    Don't you guys remember? Steve said that it's a dream to type on

    i think it might be akward to begin with, but when it's in my lap I think it'll be faster than my iPhone for sure.
    03-29-2010 07:44 PM
  17. whmurray's Avatar
    The kb dock? That's limited. Not to mention an accident waiting to happen in my household with the 3yr old running around. Doesn't look that sturdy and you do have to touch that screen.

    BT keyboard? Still need a better dock IMO. It's better than the first option though.

    The screen itself? I think this will be rough. It's too wide in portait for thumb typing. Landscape requires a lap or playing folding games with the iPad cover. Even then...

    I did think of something that could be nice. A way to use the iphone to input data. I won't lug a kb around. But i do lug an iphone. And i can type pretty fast on it.
    Can you say "Dragon?" The last user of the last iPad will use speech as the primary form of "input," as opposed to "control." Typewriters disappeared in a generation after the introduction of the PC. The countdown has already begun on the keyboard; it started with the first iPhone.
    Last edited by whmurray; 04-03-2010 at 04:26 PM.
    04-01-2010 10:37 AM
  18. cardfan's Avatar
    Can you say "Dragon?" The last user of the last iPad will use speech as the primary form of "input," as opposed to "control." Typewriters disappeared in a generation after the introduction of the PC. The countdown has already begun on the keyboard; it started with the first iPhone.
    Don't see that happening
    04-01-2010 11:22 AM
  19. BriDroid's Avatar
    It's likely that most people will always want to have some physical interaction with input... like typing on a keyboard, whether it's a physical keyboard or virtual one... particularly if you are in an environment where speaking isn't practical or appropriate.
    04-01-2010 11:52 AM
  20. whmurray's Avatar
    Don't see that happening
    I am sure that you don't. The young believe that the world has always been as they found it and that it will always be that way. That is why you need the old.

    When was the last time you saw anyone use a typewriter? Dictate a letter, except in the movies?

    There is a scene in the movie Chariots of Fire, set in 1920, in which one of the athletes apologizes in a letter to his parents that he had neglected his shorthand to pursue his sport. Do you know anyone who can take shorthand, much less any elite college student that studies it?

    At the 1964 World's Fair, IBM demonstrated a machine that could recognize numbers, even carefully hand written ones. It was a marvel for demonstrating at a fair. The most imaginative of those in audience could not have foreseen TWAIN, much less $100- scanners.

    Think of how much different the current iPhone is from the one introduced just three and a half years ago. Did you imagine Dragon on it? Imagine what the last iPad will look like. Imagine Dragon on that iPad. Dragon is only a decade or so old. Try to imagine what speech to text will be like in a generation. It will wean us away from the keyboard.

    The generation before mine dictated; a few composed on yellow pads. I am sure that, while you can read the words, you cannot really appreciate what that means. In part it means that they could not compose at a keyboard as you and I do. Their brains did not work that way.

    While I can speak to large audiences in coherent sentences and paragraphs, I cannot dictate. My brain does not work that way.

    You can trust me when I tell you (I have no reason to mislead you) that a generation that literally cut its teeth on the iPod Touch and the DSLite, and grew up with Air Books and iPads will be different from you when they grow up. I know that you cannot "see it happening," though it is happening under your nose, any more than you can see grass grow, but it happens nonetheless.
    Last edited by whmurray; 04-01-2010 at 12:40 PM.
    04-01-2010 12:20 PM
  21. cardfan's Avatar
    I am sure that you don't. The young believe that the world has always been as they found it and that it will always be that way. That is why you need the old.

    When was the last time you saw anyone use a typewriter? Dictate a letter, except in the movies?

    There is a scene in the movie Chariots of Fire, set in 1920, in which one of the athletes apologizes in a letter to his parents that he had neglected his shorthand to pursue his sport. Do you know anyone who can take shorthand, much less any elite college student that studies it?

    At the 1964 World's Fair, IBM demonstrated a machine that could recognize numbers, even carefully hand written ones. It was a marvel for demonstrating at a fair. The most imaginative of those in audience could not have foreseen TWAIN, much less $100- scanners.

    Think of how much different the current iPhone is from the one introduced just three and a half years ago. Imagine what the last iPad will look like.

    The generation before mine dictated; a few composed on yellow pads. I am sure that, while you can read the words, you cannot really appreciate what that means. In part it means that they could not compose at a keyboard as you and I do. Their brains did not work that way.

    While I can speak to large audiences in coherent sentences and paragraphs, I cannot dictate. My brain does not work that way.

    Dragon is only a decade or so old. Try to imagine what speech to text will be like in a generation. It will wean us away from the keyboard.

    You can trust me when I tell you (I have no reason to mislead you) that a generation that literally cut its teeth on the iPod Touch and the DSLite, and grew up with Air Books and iPads will be different from you when they grow up. I know that you cannot "see it happening," though it is happening under your nose, any more than you can see grass grow, but it happens nonetheless.
    I think you're going off on a tangent. You mentioned voice replacing keyboard input. I don't see it happening. It has nothing to do with a generation growing up on ipods/ipads and how they'll be different or how we used to use typewriters (I learned to type on one). Or how young i may be (i like to think 40 is young..)

    I'm not a developer but i did take quite a few CIS courses for my MBA. Professors there were quite adamant that voice recognition will be a huge hurdle if not impossible.

    Take your Dragon app for instance. Other than short phrases, you could never hope to use it to write anything substantial without having to go back and edit it..with a keyboard. This, after how many years you said? You will always need that keyboard.

    http://www.prosperstreet.com/spf.pdf

    From the Desk of David Pogue - Readers Share Software Mishaps - NYTimes.com
    Last edited by cardfan; 04-01-2010 at 01:02 PM.
    04-01-2010 12:57 PM
  22. whmurray's Avatar
    I think you're going off on a tangent. You mentioned voice replacing keyboard input. I don't see it happening. It has nothing to do with a generation growing up on ipods/ipads and how they'll be different or how we used to use typewriters (I learned to type on one). Or how young i may be (i like to think 40 is young..)

    I'm not a developer but i did take quite a few CIS courses for my MBA. Professors there were quite adamant that voice recognition will be a huge hurdle if not impossible.

    Take your Dragon app for instance. Other than short phrases, you could never hope to use it to write anything substantial without having to go back and edit it..with a keyboard. This, after how many years you said? You will always need that keyboard.

    http://www.prosperstreet.com/spf.pdf

    From the Desk of David Pogue - Readers Share Software Mishaps - NYTimes.com
    At only forty, you will live long enough to see the impossible. Read The Age of the Spiritual Machine by Ray Kurzweil.

    No one listens to me anyway. I have an attitude.
    04-01-2010 02:29 PM
  23. Readover's Avatar
    I got six words for you guys: With wires in my cerebral cortex
    04-01-2010 05:16 PM
  24. BriDroid's Avatar
    I got six words for you guys: With wires in my cerebral cortex
    The only way keyboards could be completely replaced -- thoughtType.
    04-02-2010 01:10 AM
  25. Readover's Avatar
    The only way keyboards could be completely replaced -- thoughtType.
    The Write-iThink
    04-02-2010 03:28 AM
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