1. haxrnick's Avatar
    I went out and bought the One a few weeks ago and love it. They're both great phones. I'm still using it but I'm keeping my 5 because I know in a few days/weeks/months I'll want to go back to my 5 or get the new 5s or whatever being that our whole house/lifestyle is centered around the Apple ecosystem.

    Howevery, I'll still post here over AC just because it feels like more of community here.
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    05-08-2013 05:33 PM
  2. spark032207#WN's Avatar
    Agreed with much of what's already been said. They're both great phones. Posting this on the main page (especially because it wasn't a great post) just seems... inappropriate. While I appreciate my iPhone5, I would kill for One's bigger screen and low-light camera performance. And as much as people don't think it's important, I really miss widgets. There are certain widgets that were really useful when I was on Android.
    05-08-2013 08:34 PM
  3. cckgz4's Avatar
    I think folks making a whole topic for when they leave a platform is ridiculous. I switched my iPhone 5 for the LG Optimus a few days ago, but switched silently
    05-08-2013 11:51 PM
  4. jclisenby's Avatar
    One word. Battery.


    Tappin and Talkin from my iPhone 5
    05-09-2013 12:03 AM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    I think folks making a whole topic for when they leave a platform is ridiculous. I switched my iPhone 5 for the LG Optimus a few days ago, but switched silently
    ...switched silently, until now!

    I am for the most part OS agnostic, although I do have my preferences. I carry a Nexus 4 as my main phone, an iPhone 5 as my 2nd phone, and just tonight I picked up a Lumia 521 (cheap, VERY CHEAP, T-Mobile prepaid) to play with WP8. Only 2 of my phones are active at any given time. My opinion is that iOS and Android are pretty much equal in stability, speed, and smoothness, at least if the Android device is a Nexus. A user should base his decision on personal preference or need of something in one but not the other. WP8 needs time to mature, and the app situation is still lacking, but it has good potential.
    05-09-2013 12:13 AM
  6. Gretchen Cane's Avatar
    I read the post from the guy who switched. It appears that the user prefers to be an appliance operator like most iphone users. All of his issues could have been resolved by simply making a few custom adjustments. That's the beauty of Android.
    05-09-2013 07:02 AM
  7. Angelo_Campher's Avatar
    I read the post from the guy who switched. It appears that the user prefers to be an appliance operator like most iphone users. All of his issues could have been resolved by simply making a few custom adjustments. That's the beauty of Android.
    How was he supposed to make a few custom adjustments to;

    -Couldn't get phone to work well with car which is important to me, petty, I know
    Might be possible by tampering with the phone settings but its a shlep nonetheless

    -I use an Otterbox and it made it near impossible with one hand
    I suppose he could take a custom hacksaw and make it smaller.

    -I find the Iphone Camera to be better quality as I like zooming further than HTC would allow
    Other than dismantling the phone and installing his own camera I don't see how changing settings would allow it to zoom further

    -Too much clutter, IE Blink Feed and Gallery
    This seems to be personal preference so I won't comment

    -I like the way Mac/Iphone/Itunes sync seamlessly
    This again is preference but which platform allows the kind of sync that Apple does across devices?
    05-09-2013 09:56 AM
  8. thepopeishere's Avatar
    First and foremost..I am not a fanboy of either operating environment...I have 4 tablets, 2 apple, 2 android. I've had every iPhone, and most top tier android device. Of course you Guys left the one for the iPhone. Have you not read the reviews of the sense UI that HTC uses? Year after year it gets slated as a subpar android system. I can't argue with your decision on the iPhone. The idea that app,e has a superior sync environment for music, pictures, docs, whatever is a fairy tale...I use both, interchangeable and with one another meaning all my content syncs between both environments seamlessly. The HTC is pretty, but how many of you are riding bareback? I see people with otterboxes and all other assortments of cases that hide that beautiful unibody from the day of purchase..same with the iPhone...all the really shows is the screen. Don't misunderstand me...if the phones could resist the impact of my repeated drops, I would fly without a case and al of these exterior design arguments would carry some merit. Until that time I think that argument should be flushed...I'm not advocating you do like I did and get the galaxy s4 (it's a better phone save the metal back) but come up with some real standards for comparison. The nexus 4 is also has a premium exterior finish and a pure google operating system that makes the sense UI laughable. Honestly did any if you that tried the phone give the google system full immersion the same way you did apples ecosystem. You can't purchase an android phenomenon as a replacement for an iPhone and expect that it fill in the gaps seamlessly the way your Iphone did...if you are a power user for work and integrate with multiple clouds services android works more effectively and efficiently. I love my retina mb pro, my iMac, my iPads, and my Apple TV...but I also love my gs4 and how it integrates with all of these and every other connected device in my home. If you buy nothing but apple more power to you...but don't pretend you can provide any helpful information to someone interested in exploring a broader world.
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    05-10-2013 03:12 AM
  9. Angelo_Campher's Avatar
    First and foremost..I am not a fanboy of either operating environment...I have 4 tablets, 2 apple, 2 android. I've had every iPhone, and most top tier android device. Of course you Guys left the one for the iPhone. Have you not read the reviews of the sense UI that HTC uses? Year after year it gets slated as a subpar android system. I can't argue with your decision on the iPhone. The idea that app,e has a superior sync environment for music, pictures, docs, whatever is a fairy tale...I use both, interchangeable and with one another meaning all my content syncs between both environments seamlessly. The HTC is pretty, but how many of you are riding bareback? I see people with otterboxes and all other assortments of cases that hide that beautiful unibody from the day of purchase..same with the iPhone...all the really shows is the screen. Don't misunderstand me...if the phones could resist the impact of my repeated drops, I would fly without a case and al of these exterior design arguments would carry some merit. Until that time I think that argument should be flushed...I'm not advocating you do like I did and get the galaxy s4 (it's a better phone save the metal back) but come up with some real standards for comparison. The nexus 4 is also has a premium exterior finish and a pure google operating system that makes the sense UI laughable. Honestly did any if you that tried the phone give the google system full immersion the same way you did apples ecosystem. You can't purchase an android phenomenon as a replacement for an iPhone and expect that it fill in the gaps seamlessly the way your Iphone did...if you are a power user for work and integrate with multiple clouds services android works more effectively and efficiently. I love my retina mb pro, my iMac, my iPads, and my Apple TV...but I also love my gs4 and how it integrates with all of these and every other connected device in my home. If you buy nothing but apple more power to you...but don't pretend you can provide any helpful information to someone interested in exploring a broader world.
    Android does not offer the level of sync that iOS does. Not by a long shot... Can you swap devices and have your exact icon layout and apps as your previous device without plugging in the phone. Can you start a conversation on your phone and pick up where left off on your tablet or laptop? The same with games? Can you download a track and automatically find it on your other devices when you get home?

    Multiple cloud services? For what?

    You're also dismissing the premium materials that Samsung refuses to use but charges just as much, if not more, for the handsets because you put your phone in a case. What kind of argument is that?

    iOS has flaws and in some cases big flaws but to dismiss its superior sync capabilities is asinine.
    05-10-2013 01:55 PM
  10. sting7k's Avatar
    A great discussion has sparked up over in the Android Central Forums, started by a member that switched from iPhone 5, to HTC One and back again within 2 weeks. Member fettym outlined some great points as to why they ultimately decided to stick with the iPhone, as well as some of the more positive aspects of the HTC One.

    We've featured this on the main blogs here, but wanted to jump in and bring the discussion over to the iMore Forums. Have you switched to another platform? Did you switch back? What made you make the jump in the first place? What made you come back?

    Let us know either here in this thread, or in the comments on the post!
    I pre-ordered a Lumia 900 last year after having used the iPhone since the fist day it was released. I had become bored of iOS at the time. I used the Lumia for a few months. But ultimately WP7.5 was severely lacking. Battery life and just general usability were not up to par with the iPhone at all. I tried to adjust. But I just didn't enjoy using it. Many members of WPC forums suggested turning off notifications and push email which was unacceptable when my iPhone 4 could go all day with dozens of apps pushing and 2 exchange email accounts pushing as well.

    I then got a Galaxy Nexus in May/June of 2012 after selling the Lumia. I used the Galaxy Nexus for over half of 2012. Android quickly grew on me. I saw what everyone was talking about. It's made by nerds for nerds. I mean the amount of options and customization were awesome at first. I thought at first; "Wow these guys are speaking directly to me!". I had grown to like Android so much that I sold my iPhone 4 right before the release of iOS 6 and the iPhone 5 and cashed in big. Then...it started. I started to notice all these little things that kept annoying me.

    1. The big screen doesn't present any more information than my iPhone. Fire up Facebook, CNN, and any number of apps. On Android everything is just "bigger". You aren't getting any more information presented to you.
    2. Many apps were poor replacements for the iOS versions. I never found a bill tracking app that compared to BillMinder. I never found any task/list apps that are even close to Clear.
    3. App permissions - Why a simple list/task app needs to see my contacts and phone calls is beyond me. The permissions third party apps claim to need is beyond ridiculous, often.
    4. After you spend hours every day playing with your phone customizing and making all yours and crazy...a week later when you are busy and quickly want to do 1 thing I was forgetting that...Oh yea I changed that...and it would take me too long to remember what I did. I ended up going back to stock pretty quickly.
    5. I didn't find the widgets very useful. They were just app shortcuts most of the time that looked pretty, used up resources, and drained the battery.
    6. No Tweetbot.

    Then Google updated my Galaxy Nexus to 4.1.2 and that is when things really started to go down hill. That release of Android is very poor. Android Media Server got "stuck" nearly every other day and would eat my battery within hours. Restoring does nothing. You are pretty much on your own and get no help from Google.

    One Friday night in January of this year was the final straw. It had been a trying week with my GNexus. I charged it after work to 100%. Then went out for the night. Stopping to meet some people for dinner at a place in a mall near by. It might have been 2 hours since I had taken the GNexus off the charger. I pulled it out of my pocket to find it pretty warm, my battery reading 24%, and Android Media Server had used some crazy amount.

    I told my friends I would be right back, that was it. It was good I was at the mall. I quickly walked directly to the Apple Store, one of the few remaining open at nearly 9pm. I told the guy I wanted an unlocked 32GB iPhone 5 in black. I didn't even want to talk or hear any of their jive. They offered to do all this stuff and I just said give it to me. I turned it on and signed into my accounts. It was like a weight lifted of my chest. What was once boredom was now safety, security, and familiar.

    I did get a Nexus 4 once they became available again. I thought maybe with some more power it would be better. It was better, Android 4.2.2 is pretty solid. I found I had to force myself to use it and leave my iPhone at home however. I would sit at work and long for my iPhone, sitting alone at home. I ended up selling it to a friend after only a month. All the little annoying things were still there. The apps are just of lower quality. The devs are lazy IMO. Customizing it gets old quickly. I miss SwiftKey3, Apple please buy them and replace the iOS keyboard. Notification center on Android is also vastly superior.

    I came to this conclusion. I enjoy grappling with Windows and customizing my PC. But my phone has to be reliable 100% of the time. I use my phone far more than anything else. I want it to be simple yet powerful. The iPhone IMO is the only device at this time that fits that need.
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    05-10-2013 02:45 PM
  11. Wildo6882's Avatar
    2. Many apps were poor replacements for the iOS versions. ...

    5. I didn't find the widgets very useful. They were just app shortcuts most of the time that looked pretty, used up resources, and drained the battery. ...

    The apps are just of lower quality. I miss SwiftKey3, Apple please buy them and replace the iOS keyboard. Notification center on Android is also vastly superior. ...

    I came to this conclusion... But my phone has to be reliable 100% of the time. I use my phone far more than anything else. I want it to be simple yet powerful. The iPhone IMO is the only device at this time that fits that need.
    This was a great review of your journey through Apple and Android. As I've said before on this site and Android Central, I'm a lover of both platforms. I love them both for the different things that they provide users, and both platforms are symbiotic IMHO, in that they make each other better and have to innovate. I highlighted those parts of your post just to add my 2 cents to it.

    I think the app argument isn't wholly accurate, but it does depend on which apps are mainstays for you. Many people may not have any issue with the quality of apps on Android, unless an app that's important, like BillMinder is to you. That can definitely be a dealbreaker if that's something you rely upon daily. I would like to add that many apps that have migrated to the "Holo" look are beautiful. It's a different kind of beautiful than iOS apps, but I really like the way they look. It's a futuristic functional look to me, and I really do like that look. A lot of apps still haven't jumped on that bandwagon, but a lot of my app mainstays have and I think it is a great look.

    The widget argument depends on the user. A lot of them are completely and utterly useless. I can't deny that. But I enjoy unlocking my device and have my calendar and sticky notes staring me in the face so I know what I've got coming up. Other than those, music apps are about the only widgets I use, just so I can swipe one screen and start a track. In my use, I haven't found that widgets really suck the battery. Some do, I'm sure, but the ones I use don't seem to do anything worse to my battery.

    I 100,000,000% agree with the SwiftKey argument. That is an incredible keyboard, especially with "flow" typing now. I wish Apple would do something with the plain Jane stock keyboard. It's a great keyboard, but I'd like at least an option to turn on SwiftKey-like prediction or flow.

    I'm also in the same boat as you about a phone. It is the thing I use the most. And being simple, yet, powerful, and most importantly, reliable is key. Android is a ton of fun, but an iPhone just has that little something that makes you feel safe. Like you know you can pull it out of your pocket and have no doubts that it'll work like it should. Android is getting closer, but it just isn't all the way there.
    05-10-2013 03:15 PM
  12. Matt Hickman's Avatar
    I have an iPhone 4 and currently have an HTC One on order. I'm leaving for the bigger screen. I tried the iPhone 5 a while back but returned it because of the wifi issues. If I thought they had that fixed, I'd try another 5, but there still seems to be problems. I like the iPhone, sure there are a few things that annoy me, but overall I'm very happy with it. However, that large screen is just too tempting.
    05-10-2013 04:04 PM
  13. Matt Hickman's Avatar
    I have an iPhone 4 and currently have an HTC One on order. I'm leaving for the bigger screen. I tried the iPhone 5 a while back but returned it because of the wifi issues. If I thought they had that fixed, I'd try another 5, but there still seems to be problems. I like the iPhone, sure there are a few things that annoy me, but overall I'm very happy with it. However, that large screen is just too tempting.
    I have left iphone five times because of bigger screens but to me that is all android has over the iphone I've had the Droid X, galaxy Nexus, HTC rezound, galaxy S3, droid dna and the note 2. nothing is as smooth as the iPhone. sometimes I feel like I'm leaving the software during certain applications on the android phones. that's how fragmented it is. s voice makes me feel like I'm in some bizarres corner of my Samsung universe whet as Siri tires in so nicely with the rest of the phone I don't feel like I just left planet earth. also android versions of some apps aren't as polished as the IOS counter parts. take radio lab for example, the android version has a really bad rep for being buggy. as small as it is, the iphone is just a more quality experience. the larger screens on the android phones after just simple sirens to get you off course. don't succumb!
    05-10-2013 04:12 PM
  14. tgp's Avatar
    My primary phone is a Nexus 4, and I carry others as a 2nd phone, among them an iPhone 5. A Windows Phone could not be my primary phone due to immaturity and lack of apps, but I could easily use the iPhone as my primary phone. However, the small screen is enough to keep me from switching. Due to the iOS UI, it's no easier to use one-handed than my Nexus 4. I also read forums a lot, and watch Youtube & MLB on my phone, and the screen is just simply too small! And just because Apple says 4" is the right size doesn't convince me. They said that about 3.5" too.

    As far as the lag, since I've used Nexus I'd say that it's every bit as smooth & stable & fast as the iPhone 5. Not better, but not worse.
    05-10-2013 05:25 PM
  15. Tpence2177's Avatar
    I just switched to an iPhone 4 again today. I have had:
    1: the original droid
    2: droid 2
    3: iPhone 4
    4: back to the droid 2
    5:Back to the tough gzone flip phone.
    6: Casio gzone commando
    7: droid3 (back and forth between commando and droid 3)
    8: iPhone 4 again with a life proof case.
    I love the iPhone. If the life proof case would've been out I would have kept the first one and probably had a 4s right now. I am just rough on phones so I was hesitant and upgraded to the commando. I loved that I could put that phone through anything I just hated how laggy it was. Now that I have seen what a life proof case can handle I don't see me moving away from iPhones for a long time!
    The only phone I have actually upgraded to was the commando the others were either bought used or hand me downs lol. My iPhone 4 that I am using now was a hand me down from my friend who just upgraded to a 5. I'm not complaining one bit!


    Sent from my iPhone 4 using Tapatalk
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    05-10-2013 10:13 PM
  16. Angelo_Campher's Avatar
    My primary phone is a Nexus 4, and I carry others as a 2nd phone, among them an iPhone 5. A Windows Phone could not be my primary phone due to immaturity and lack of apps, but I could easily use the iPhone as my primary phone. However, the small screen is enough to keep me from switching. Due to the iOS UI, it's no easier to use one-handed than my Nexus 4. I also read forums a lot, and watch Youtube & MLB on my phone, and the screen is just simply too small! And just because Apple says 4" is the right size doesn't convince me. They said that about 3.5" too.

    As far as the lag, since I've used Nexus I'd say that it's every bit as smooth & stable & fast as the iPhone 5. Not better, but not worse.
    How does the iOS UI affect one handed use?

    And I agree about screen size. That's very much personal preference but I've watched YouTube and movies on 5" screens and I really can't tell much difference. If anything, phones in general are too small to be immersive as far as video playback is concerned. As for reading forums and such, the web pages are rendered exactly the same, double tap on the area you want to read and it zooms to fit the screen. It's not like a bigger screen presents more content than a smaller one it is just formatted to fit the screen which means slightly larger text but chances are you have to zoom and scroll anyway.
    05-11-2013 04:31 AM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    How does the iOS UI affect one handed use?
    1. Prompts are towards the top of the screen, and the back button is often at the top too.
    2. Icons start at the top left corner, the absolute worst place for one-handed use.


    These are a couple things I can think of right off. I just know that my 4.7" Nexus 4 is just as easy to use one-handed. No, I can't reach every corner of the screen, but I don't need to. The Note II even has a one-handed mode. I can't speak for its usefulness though as I've never used it.
    Last edited by tgp; 05-11-2013 at 10:54 PM.
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    05-11-2013 09:24 PM
  18. Xm_jdm's Avatar
    I too left for the HTC One only to return to iPhone after 3 days with it. I don't ever seem to learn my lesson. Did the same for the Galaxy 3 and Nexus 4. I don't know why I keep doing it. Andorid always let's me down.
    05-11-2013 10:41 PM
  19. Wildo6882's Avatar
    I too left for the HTC One only to return to iPhone after 3 days with it. I don't ever seem to learn my lesson. Did the same for the Galaxy 3 and Nexus 4. I don't know why I keep doing it. Andorid always let's me down.
    You need longer than three days with any new phone. It's a change going from iOS to Android and vice versa. If I didn't give something a chance I'd never get to see what other platforms have to offer. There's no way I would have ever stuck with iOS after using Android if I quit after three days. I like both iOS and Android and switch between the two frequently. You say Android lets you down basically because it's different than iOS and you didn't give it a shot. I'm not saying you still wouldn't go back to iOS, but c'mon man, you need more than 3 days.
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    05-11-2013 10:45 PM
  20. Xm_jdm's Avatar
    You need longer than three days with any new phone. It's a change going from iOS to Android and vice versa. If I didn't give something a chance I'd never get to see what other platforms have to offer. There's no way I would have ever stuck with iOS after using Android if I quit after three days. I like both iOS and Android and switch between the two frequently. You say Android lets you down basically because it's different than iOS and you didn't give it a shot. I'm not saying you still wouldn't go back to iOS, but c'mon man, you need more than 3 days.
    I disagree. I know within a few hours whether or not a phone is for me. I purchase just about every flagship phone released by the big manufacturers in hopes that they provide me with something new and exciting. And they usually fail every time.

    I knew after a day with the one that it was going away. And I tried to push it on me.
    05-12-2013 04:12 PM
  21. Xm_jdm's Avatar
    You need longer than three days with any new phone. It's a change going from iOS to Android and vice versa. If I didn't give something a chance I'd never get to see what other platforms have to offer. There's no way I would have ever stuck with iOS after using Android if I quit after three days. I like both iOS and Android and switch between the two frequently. You say Android lets you down basically because it's different than iOS and you didn't give it a shot. I'm not saying you still wouldn't go back to iOS, but c'mon man, you need more than 3 days.
    It lets me down because it fails to impress me. Not that it's different. I am proficient in both OS's and know them like the back of my hand. iOS is still and will continue to be my preferred OS. I'll test the android waters. But expect to be let down. I hope one day that will change.
    05-12-2013 04:16 PM
  22. Tpence2177's Avatar
    It lets me down because it fails to impress me. Not that it's different. I am proficient in both OS's and know them like the back of my hand. iOS is still and will continue to be my preferred OS. I'll test the android waters. But expect to be let down. I hope one day that will change.
    Same with me now. I would love for android to just work, but it just doesn't for me. I can see myself staying with iOS for a long time.


    Sent from my iPhone 4 using Tapatalk
    05-12-2013 04:38 PM
  23. brdl04's Avatar
    Just took back the HTC One. I am partly sad because the hardware on that phone is what I wish Apple would do. The speakers are amazing. The screen is awesome. The aluminum unibody was great. The OS abysmal. It was as many have stated here "work". It is very PC OS styled and not easy to use. Now don't get me wrong, I like the widget idea and the ability to tweak, but it takes too many steps sometimes.

    Also as a phone the HTC one was lacking. When I say phone i conclude that people will be calling and texting. The iPhone is far superior for the frequent text and phone call that I do a lot for work.

    As a media consumption device the One is a step above. The screen coupled with the speaker placement make it idea.

    Also the random lag you get on android is apparent. I just compared the IP5 to the One and it is noticeable.

    Just a few observations from a tech lover not a fanboy.
    05-12-2013 06:27 PM
  24. BergerKing's Avatar
    They always come back! bwwaaaahhhhaaa


    Back in the day.. I switched from BlackBerry to Android, then back to BlackBerry. But I have not switched from iOS.. And really don't plan to
    Yep, I've seen your remarks on all three, and each has its merits, suffice it to say. While I've tried the iPhone before, it is a solid unit, but try as i may, I have never gotten decent with its keyboard. Next time my daughter comes in, I'll have her try SwiftKey 3,and see if I can do better. I use it on the S3, and it is a work of art.

    I've never wanted to post a why I switched or why I'm leaving post. I very always tried to take a new device on its own honor, and if the shoe didn't fit, I found another one. There are comparisons and lessons to be learned, though, in everything that happens!
    05-12-2013 06:46 PM
  25. Richard Nieves's Avatar
    Right Sean!? There's multiple threads over on the S4 and HTC One forums with this same topic. The Android snobs like to put us iOS users down because we enjoy using a stable and fluid OS with quality apps and that we must be stupid because we'd rather use iOS. I admit I used to be on the Android side dogging iPhone like crazy but I came back and don't miss Android at all. Although I have been keeping up on the One and S4.

    What I find funny is watching those threads especially the bug thread which has like 16 pages of numerous crazy bugs and faults. Don't recall seeing that for iOS or the iPhone.


    Sent from the collector home world.
    I also remember being on the other side, however I never went as far as calling everyone who is against android a "sheep" which I have seen countless times. In the beginning of the iPhone days I can understand why some might say that. When the iPhone got big it was the phone to have, even if you didn't understand it or use it to its fullest potential. The thing is, it was ALSO the phone to have if you wanted a stable, productive and reliable smartphone. However, now that mentality makes me laugh because those people that call ios users "sheep" are the sheep themselves because they have no real understanding of what ios is about and why people use it and are die hard loyal android fans. I love technology. Even when I was against apple, it was more of a "apple is to restrictive" or some remarks about how they need to update the OS. Every OS has its advantages and disadvantages. Android is more modern, sleek, has many hardware choices, is more open and customizable. However you give up some reliability, an inconsistent OS due to lack of updates or custom skins, viruses and annoying malware apps with stupid apps that notify you of adds consistently or download other apps without asking,and has less polished apps. On the flip side, iOS has a very stable OS, reliable updates, has one phone made by the same company, polished and productive/entertaining apps, and a generally better battery life. It's negatives are its limited as far as screen sizes go, less customization (although I really don't notice most of the time), a stale OS design (though there is still some charm in it) and a much more restricted App Store, with less free apps than android. There is always a negative and a positive on either side. What's important to a user is what they will chose a phone on. While stability can fluctuate on android, it stays fairly consistent on ios, thus why people move back. To me, battery life and stability are why I chose the iPhone. Having awesome apps was a nice plus though :-)
    05-12-2013 07:12 PM
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