1. gruswitz's Avatar
    @Behshad - Get a grip Troll. - I neither work for Apple nor do I own an iPhone yet. I'm just expressing my opinion. The N97 may well be an interesting phone, but the 3GS looks to be a good upgrade from my perspective. Frankly, I wasn't going to get any phone that couldn't do everything my Treo does and more. I needed turn by turn GPS and document editing still. With the new 3GS update, the iPhone has reached that threshold.

    @iMuggle - Did you read all the WWDC announcements? They didn't really go on about MMS or Copy/Paste. There was a lot new there and yes they said the case changed - check out the Apple - iPhone - Technical Specifications webpage - look under Display - fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating). The speed improvements should also be really significant as BadAsh said.
    06-08-2009 07:43 PM
  2. Neutrino's Avatar
    I'd be curious to see how the Palm Pre does now.. hmm.. I'm a die hard iPhone but WOW after this fiasco nothing is stopping me from one of my eyes wondering off to see what the Pre is really about if just to check. Before Apple dropped the ball on "hardware" I wouldn't even consider a Pre or BB wow.
    I agree with you completely. The good news WRT Palm is that there are now possible alternatives to the iPhone on different networks. Companies now have to fend for themselves to keep from losing customers.

    It will be interesting to see what impact WWDC 2009 will have on the Palm Pre launch. I wasn't impressed with WWDC. I was impressed by Palm.
    06-08-2009 07:45 PM
  3. dooks88's Avatar
    I was pretty underwhelmed. I understand it is tough to make a "big splash" upgrade for a phone every year, but I was left wanting more. The improvements they made are a great thing, esp the speed improvements. I was looking for some more though. A better camera and screen are the big ones. I would of also like to have seen a new case design with out the chrome. The upside about that is my 3g cases will still work on the 3gs.

    the upgrade price is a bummer too.

    the big thing today was about the Macbook Pro's which i am completely hyped about.
    06-08-2009 07:46 PM
  4. Jeremy's Avatar
    I agree with you completely. The good news WRT Palm is that there are now possible alternatives to the iPhone on different networks. Companies now have to fend for themselves to keep from losing customers.

    It will be interesting to see what impact WWDC 2009 will have on the Palm Pre launch. I wasn't impressed with WWDC. I was impressed by Palm.
    With $99 iPhone 3G's it does not look good for the Pre. That is a low price that is very appealing to many people. And once you pick up the Pre you will more than likely be let down. I know I was.
    06-08-2009 07:47 PM
  5. Entertainment72's Avatar
    $399 to "upgrade" to a 16gb 3Gs.. yea right..
    06-08-2009 07:48 PM
  6. Entertainment72's Avatar
    With $99 iPhone 3G's it does not look good for the Pre. That is a low price that is very appealing to many people. And once you pick up the Pre you will more than likely be let down. I know I was.
    100% agree and that will be Apple's and At&t saving grace in the end!

    Sidenote: Apple REAAAALLY needs to new carrier wow..
    06-08-2009 07:48 PM
  7. Jeremy's Avatar
    $399 to "upgrade" to a 16gb 3Gs.. yea right..
    It's $299 for people who are ready for a upgrade...
    06-08-2009 07:50 PM
  8. Entertainment72's Avatar
    It's $299 for people who are ready for a upgrade...
    $299 for 32gb and $199 for 16gb right (full upgrade eligible).. that's what I took, my contract is up 8-31-09.. so if anything I can wait but I really doubt I will do so.. not for another two years.. no way.

    Right now for me it is $399 16gb 3Gs for being a "special" customer.

    Yea $199 for 16gb 3Gs.. just confirmed... with new two year and eligible.
    Last edited by Entertainment72; 06-08-2009 at 07:54 PM.
    06-08-2009 07:51 PM
  9. Jeremy's Avatar
    $299 for 32gb and $199 for 16gb right (full upgrade eligible).. that's what I took, my full upgrade is up 8-31-09.. so if anything I can wait but I really doubt I will do so.. not for another two years.. no way.

    Right now for me it is $399 16gb 3Gs for being a "special" customer.
    Ah, ok. That makes sense then. I really think it's pretty simple. If you want it, you will pay whatever they ask. If not, you wait. Again, I can understand how some people may be a bit bummed out as I was until I really thought about all of the internal improvements. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
    06-08-2009 07:54 PM
  10. Entertainment72's Avatar
    If Obama gives me a government stimulus check out of the blue.. ok. :o
    06-08-2009 07:55 PM
  11. Neutrino's Avatar
    With $99 iPhone 3G's it does not look good for the Pre. That is a low price that is very appealing to many people. And once you pick up the Pre you will more than likely be let down. I know I was.
    AT&T's network won't support the bandwidth load. Aside from Slingplayer, what else will AT&T throttle?

    I saw a blog article regarding upcoming tethering plans for the iPhone. Looks like AT&T could be charging as much as 65/mo, more than double what VZW is charging.

    Why is AT&T delaying rollout of iphone tethering, MMS? | Apple - CNET News
    06-08-2009 07:56 PM
  12. OmariJames's Avatar
    I wanted a physically different device. I'm pretty sure apple knows the plastic is cheap and scratches easily. I like it for the feel but not the consequence of getting scratches using the device without a case.

    Everything else is cool. Front facing cammy would be a bit much though I wouldn't have mind really.

    I've been seeing things such as video isn't avialable on the 3G ... That's a crock of ish. But apple does that so you'll buy. Especially since the software update is and will always be free. At least video record...

    Overall I'm pretty happy because the software is great but most importantly I can upgrade for the same price as I did last year for the same amount of money (for more space) -- which is a major problem now.

    I'm happy.
    06-08-2009 08:00 PM
  13. Microcosmos's Avatar
    I'm not at all disappointed. This upgrade is almost *exactly* as momentous as the upgrade from the first gen iPhone to the 3G was--minor hardware improvements, double the capacity, slashed prices. I've been waiting for a storage capacity upgrade before I got tied in to a new 2-year contract; I think 32 GB is sufficient for just about everything I could want to put in my phone/mp3 player/movie player/book reader/apps purveyor. Yay!
    06-08-2009 08:23 PM
  14. infenit101's Avatar
    Wow, some overly harsh criticism. Why do we judge Apple on every dream world gadget wishlist and not others? All companies' device updates are incremental since they have to balance the latest innovation vs. profitability. This is equivalent to whining that all apps should be free or $1.99 even if thousands of hours of labor went into making something.

    I think faster data access, faster processor, voice control, video recording, improved autofocus camera, compass, fingerprint resistant casing, improved battery, double the memory, and Nike+ are a very significant upgrade. The inline remote control support will be awesome with the voice control as well. It would be even better if voice control integrates with bluetooth car kits. If spotlight (which already outperforms the universal search on the Pre) also integrates with voice control, this will be amazing.

    I have not moved away from my 3 year old Treo, but I've been closely watching the smartphones evolve. I've been on the fence of Pre or iPhone and this announcement may have put me over the fence toward the iPhone GS. In an ideal world I'd like a few more things such as front facing camera with video chat, a 5MP camera w/flash, higher res OLED display, and 3rd party background apps (Slacker/Pandora/Simplify/Wunderradio would be sufficient). However, what we got was better than I expected and who has all of these features anyway. What's the standard here (besides an excuse to troll)? If you selectively compare the best features of every other phone out there to the iPhone, Apple will always come up short. There is no single phone that tops every other phone on features and there may never be.

    The Pre has plenty of failings and in my opinion the Pre only best the iPhone with 3rd party background apps, consolidated notifications and cloud integration. Personally, I've not been impressed by what I've seen over the weekend of reports on the performance of the cloud integration because most of the cloud sites are flaky on contact management (hello google). Sure this will improve in time. As for the notifications, luckily I'm not a big on IM, text message, etc. If you get hundreds a day, this is a much bigger advantage. The lack of 3rd party background apps does suck, but that's my only remaining reservation.

    The dream feature I still want from the iPhone or any other smartphone is a world class audio processor chip, so I can get better utility from higher end headphones and lossless audio files. Then I'll no longer need a separate media player. We don't know yet what chips have changed with the 3GS, but I doubt the audio processor is one of them. That said, no other smartphone has better audio processing than the iPhone.

    The list of features that the iPhone bests others (including the Pre) on is enormous. Sure AT&T still sucks. With the 3GS improvements, OS 3.0, Tom Tom app and real document editing coming, I think my Treo 700p is finally being retired for an iPhone 3GS. The 3G was not enough to get me to pull the trigger, but the 3GS is.
    Are you serious. One people criticize Apple because they leave out basic features that are standard in every device (video, MMS, backgrounding) and then release it as updates sometimes requireing new harrdware (voice crap) and act like its some new revolutionary feature.

    And what list of features does the iphone have that best the others? I think you are delusional.
    06-08-2009 09:16 PM
  15. danmowchan's Avatar
    Are you serious. One people criticize Apple because they leave out basic features that are standard in every device (video, MMS, backgrounding) and then release it as updates sometimes requireing new harrdware (voice crap) and act like its some new revolutionary feature.

    And what list of features does the iphone have that best the others? I think you are delusional.

    Try a clearly well established App Store? Can't get that kind of variety in apps on any other cell phone platform. To me, thats what makes the iPhone stand out.
    06-08-2009 09:17 PM
  16. infenit101's Avatar
    Try a clearly well established App Store? Can't get that kind of variety in apps on any other cell phone platform. To me, thats what makes the iPhone stand out.
    Dude the iphone has been out for 2 years......the Pre 2 days. And most of the apps are useless and make fart noises.
    06-08-2009 09:21 PM
  17. danmowchan's Avatar
    Dude the iphone has been out for 2 years......the Pre 2 days. And most of the apps are useless and make fart noises.
    Yeah, the iPhone has had quite a bit of time for the developers to bake up all these apps. This being said, it doesnt detract _at all_ from the fact that my iPhone has, and will continue to have, more apps than your Palm Pre for a good deal of time.

    Yes, fart apps suck, this is true. However, there are some seriously great apps available on the platform and until another phone develops as lively a community as the iPhone, I'll be sticking with my iPhone.
    06-08-2009 09:24 PM
  18. infenit101's Avatar
    Yeah, the iPhone has had quite a bit of time for the developers to bake up all these apps. This being said, it doesnt detract _at all_ from the fact that my iPhone has, and will continue to have, more apps than your Palm Pre for a good deal of time.

    Yes, fart apps suck, this is true. However, there are some seriously great apps available on the platform and until another phone develops as lively a community as the iPhone, I'll be sticking with my iPhone.
    Well I can't argue about it being lively but I can't help but think how much better it would be if Apple would allow more freedom. I'd really like another Browser that support Flash like Opera or even Skyfire.
    06-08-2009 09:30 PM
  19. danmowchan's Avatar
    Well I can't argue about it being lively but I can't help but think how much better it would be if Apple would allow more freedom. I'd really like another Browser that support Flash like Opera or even Skyfire.
    I will give you that, the way Apple limits the developers is bull****. I'm all for competition but the iPhone is just the logical choice for me. To each is own
    06-08-2009 09:33 PM
  20. sting7k's Avatar
    -Video recording, have a digi-cam that does fine and is much better
    -tethering, I got the iPhone so I don't have to carry around my laptop so will never use
    -compass, meh

    I'm waiting until next year when the real new iPhone comes out. I want a higher resolution screen most of all, and OLED too boot.
    Last edited by sting7k; 06-08-2009 at 10:06 PM.
    06-08-2009 10:03 PM
  21. scaliasphone's Avatar
    AT&T responds to iPhone 3G S pricing and (lack of) features | Technology | Los Angeles Times

    ATT's network doesn't even support 7.2 wireless technology and it won't until next year, at the earliest. This hardware upgrade...eh...
    06-08-2009 10:20 PM
  22. scaliasphone's Avatar
    I see it as a pointless upgrade. Sure it is faster but the upgrades are marginal at best.

    • Tethering? PDAnet
    • MMS? Wait for OS 3.0
    • Video? Cycorder
    • Bigger HDD? 8 GB is good enough for me. I still have 4GB left.
    • Better Camera? I have a 7 megapix slim canon.
    • No new Data Plans annouced.
    • I'm not even sure if it has more ram.
    • No Voice features for 3G owners even though that feature has been in phones since the 1990s? My crappy Razr does it!
    • I have to pay for GPS while Pre and other WinMo users get if for free?
    • Then on OS 3.0 most of it was really minimal upgrades....no true backgrounding, push notifications seems really obtrusive and lame.


    Nothing compelling. So I am dissapointed and I will not be upgrading.
    I agree completely.
    06-08-2009 10:21 PM
  23. scaliasphone's Avatar
    I think many of you are not realizing how much faster and smoother the 3Gs will be... that alone is huge. 2x faster than the current 3G. That's big. Also increased battery life. Something to think about.

    *I can see how some of you are not excited, guess this is only a upgrade for the hardcore tech people out there. I'm guilty...
    Ash, the processor will be faster and so will the phone...but ATT's network is not ready for the wireless speed and won't be able to fully utilize this device's ability until...the next gen iPhone rolls out.

    It's a failure. Even if you're a tech geek, it's a failure. In my opinion of course
    06-08-2009 10:45 PM
  24. icebike's Avatar
    AT&T responds to iPhone 3G S pricing and (lack of) features | Technology | Los Angeles Times

    ATT's network doesn't even support 7.2 wireless technology and it won't until next year, at the earliest. This hardware upgrade...eh...


    The link you posted leaves the clear impression that ATT needs to upgrade its system to handle MMS.

    But we already know this is false. ATT has message bundles that include MMS:
    Get Started - | Wireless from AT&T, formerly Cingular
    06-08-2009 10:50 PM
  25. gruswitz's Avatar
    @infenit101 - Of course one can make a long list when there are hundreds of phones to compare. Which phone do you want to compare? Or are you here just to Troll? Hey, I said that I didn't own an iPhone, yet. Why? Because there were basic features that I was unwilling to do without. That said, I've envied the iPhone user experience (intuitive control, thousands of available apps - hundreds sans farts - HaHa, a beautiful large touch screen, a really good media player, and hundreds of available accessories). The features I needed are finally here and I think this is an outstanding upgrade. You don't - we get it - move on.
    06-08-2009 10:54 PM
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