1. Premium1's Avatar
    Lol, Weve all heard about the notorious race card. When Blacks mention race as a determinant for being wronged, mistreated or undermined in this country, theyre often met with resistance. Many in the mainstream claim that Blacks are just playing the race card, refusing to be accountable for their own actions. But whos right and whos wrong in this scenario? Are Blacks too quick to play the race card, or do Whites create this argument to relinquish themselves from fault? Lets examine this debate more closely.
    Pulling the race card when someone asks you to get something off a shelf for them at target is pulling it way too quick, and unnecessary. Now in other cases, not so much, but this case was definitely unneeded and unnecessary.


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    12-17-2014 07:21 PM
  2. acadia11's Avatar
    Pulling the race card when someone asks you to get something off a shelf for them at target is pulling it way too quick, and unnecessary. Now in other cases, not so much, but this case was definitely unneeded and unnecessary.


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    And how do you know that it was not due to systematic racism and the way blacks are viewed that subconsciously she was asked or seen as a worker because she was a dressed down black lady?

    I'll ask you as a white male, if you are , how many time have you been handed keys to be mistaken as a valet?
    12-17-2014 07:30 PM
  3. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    And how do you know that it was not due to systematic racism and the way blacks are viewed that subconsciously she was asked or seen as a worker because she was a dressed down black lady?

    I'll ask you as a white male, if you are , how many time have you been handed keys to be mistaken as a valet?
    Most valets I've seen are white. But I don't live in a big city. Do you ever post or comment about Apple or Apple products? Or are you here to do nothing but argue about race?


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    12-17-2014 07:40 PM
  4. acadia11's Avatar
    Most valets I've seen are white. But I don't live in a big city. Do you ever post or comment about Apple or Apple products? Or are you here to do nothing but argue about race?


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    No I come to iForum to just talk politics in the politics forum.

    You didn't answer my question being as you are white and most valet are white, how often have you randomly been handed keys to park a car?
    12-17-2014 07:41 PM
  5. Premium1's Avatar
    And how do you know that it was not due to systematic racism and the way blacks are viewed that subconsciously she was asked or seen as a worker because she was a dressed down black lady?

    I'll ask you as a white male, if you are , how many time have you been handed keys to be mistaken as a valet?
    What I still find hard to understand, is around my area, valets are every shape, age, nationality and race, so for the Obamas and you to pull the race card is funny. Once again it's only racist if you make it, and they are blowing this out of proportion and they making it more of a race issue than it really is. So from what the Obamas are saying is that only African Americans are the ones doing the job of valet? Or just like his immigration speech and how all those coming in will "be picking our fruit, cleaning, and mowing our lawns" once again this isn't a race issue, and they are just making a big deal over nothing.
    12-17-2014 07:42 PM
  6. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Chuckles.


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    12-17-2014 07:44 PM
  7. acadia11's Avatar
    What I still find hard to understand, is around my area, valets are every shape, age, nationality and race, so for the Obamas and you to pull the race card is funny. Once again it's only racist if you make it, and they are blowing this out of proportion and they making it more of a race issue than it really is. So from what the Obamas are saying is that only African Americans are the ones doing the job of valet? Or just like his immigration speech and how all those coming in will "be picking our fruit, cleaning, and mowing our lawns" once again this isn't a race issue, and they are just making a big deal over nothing.
    That's the oddity. Why would you randomly hand a black guy a set of keys, when as you point out the reality is different. Why when 97% of blacks are not on welfare when discussions come up about government aid, people picture a minority ?? Your observation is spot on.

    Systematic racism isn't racist because someone makes it about race, it is racist because it is about race.
    12-17-2014 07:45 PM
  8. Premium1's Avatar
    That's the oddity. Why would you randomly hand a black guy a set of keys, when as you point out the reality is different. Why when 97% of blacks are not on welfare when discussions come up about government aid, people picture a minority ?? Your observation is spot on.
    Well I wasn't there so I wouldn't know lol. But I mean if I drove my car up and he was the only one standing there I would think he was the valet, regardless of skin color or appearance. Now if there were multiple people standing around that may be different, but who knows honestly, I'm not rich enough to experience the valet, and I like parking my own car anyways, but that's just me.


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    12-17-2014 07:47 PM
  9. acadia11's Avatar
    Well I wasn't there so I wouldn't know lol. But I mean if I drove my car up and he was the only one standing there I would think he was the valet, regardless of skin color or appearance. Now if there were multiple people standing around that may be different, but who knows honestly, I'm not rich enough to experience the valet, and I like parking my own car anyways, but that's just me.


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    Fair enough. But I guarantee based on many factors you will make a choice as to whether you think he is someone waiting for his car, or he is the valet. I guarantee race will factor into this split second decision amongst many things. That's the insidiousness of systematic racism it's much harder to recognize because it's institutionalized into our basic interactions and world view it's not a conscious choice like someone actually being a racist, racially prejudice.
    12-17-2014 07:51 PM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Obamas say they're still affected by everyday racism - CNN.com

    Sean, man, can a brother catch a break or what!!!! Damnt I'm not the butler!
    I know I wake up every day and define the ways I'm going to hold down the black man...I'm not sure what the Obamas thought white people did from day to day. Perhaps 'Murica isn't the right place for "them".
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    12-17-2014 08:14 PM
  11. hydrogen3's Avatar
    What's it like to be so full of hate and bigotry that it consumes your entire day after day after day. What it's like to be a Communists in the land of the free. What it must be like to hate your own race and call those who disagree an uncle tom.

    So much hate.
    12-17-2014 08:33 PM
  12. Les74's Avatar
    What's it like to be so full of hate and bigotry that it consumes your entire day after day after day. What it's like to be a Communists in the land of the free. What it must be like to hate your own race and call those who disagree an uncle tom.

    So much hate.
    ^biggest hypocritical statement ever made.
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    12-17-2014 09:05 PM
  13. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    No I come to iForum to just talk politics in the politics forum.

    You didn't answer my question being as you are white and most valet are white, how often have you randomly been handed keys to park a car?
    I haven't had that opportunity. I think there's only 1 restaurant here with valet service. No other place. But I don't eat there. I do pass by a good bit. iForum? LOL OK, but why here? Most members here don't know didly squat about politics. Why not a for real political forum or site? You have great debate skills. Most here (those who use forum apps) find the political threads a distraction and would rather not have it. Well, of those who've voiced an opinion. Anyway, I was just curious. I had enough talking politics on Twitter. I grew tired of it.


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    12-17-2014 09:10 PM
  14. reseefata107's Avatar
    Hey, SeanHRCC
    I read your post about disaster at New Orleans a few years back during the Bush administration years in office. In term of Mother Nature disaster, no one has a power or strong enough to avert a major hurricane like Katrina in New Orleans. However, a man has a power to do good to other people that cant help themselves at the time of needs. Praised to a good friend of yours who stayed back to aid other people who are desperately in needs that day in hurricane in New Orleans. Whether you blamed Bush or not, Bush was a man in power during hurricane Katrina and he could have done more quickly, smartly, wisely to rescue the stranded, helpless, hopeless and despaired victims who are waiting for the man in charged with powered (Bush) to come to their aid as quickly as he could.
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    12-17-2014 11:47 PM
  15. Soeasy's Avatar
    Most valets I've seen are white. But I don't live in a big city. Do you ever post or comment about Apple or Apple products? Or are you here to do nothing but argue about race?


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    I've lived in NYC my entire life with the exception of a year in Tokyo to study and work. I have NEVER seen a white valet. I see more Latino valets than anything else.
    12-17-2014 11:50 PM
  16. Soeasy's Avatar
    Most here (those who use forum apps) find the political threads a distraction and would rather not have it. Well, of those who've voiced an opinion.
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    I'm the first to admit that I'm kinda new here, but wouldn't it simply be easier for those who don't want the political forum here to simply not click the links?

    Example:

    Hydrogen has say 'good riddance' in this particular thread a number of times and yet he/she keeps coming back.

    That is somewhat odd.
    12-17-2014 11:55 PM
  17. acadia11's Avatar
    What's it like to be so full of hate and bigotry that it consumes your entire day after day after day. What it's like to be a Communists in the land of the free. What it must be like to hate your own race and call those who disagree an uncle tom.

    So much hate.
    In the words of Sheryl Crow , if it makes you happy!
    12-18-2014 12:21 AM
  18. acadia11's Avatar
    I haven't had that opportunity. I think there's only 1 restaurant here with valet service. No other place. But I don't eat there. I do pass by a good bit. iForum? LOL OK, but why here? Most members here don't know didly squat about politics. Why not a for real political forum or site? You have great debate skills. Most here (those who use forum apps) find the political threads a distraction and would rather not have it. Well, of those who've voiced an opinion. Anyway, I was just curious. I had enough talking politics on Twitter. I grew tired of it.


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    Why are you reading it?
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    12-18-2014 12:23 AM
  19. acadia11's Avatar
    I know I wake up every day and define the ways I'm going to hold down the black man...I'm not sure what the Obamas thought white people did from day to day. Perhaps 'Murica isn't the right place for "them".
    Right because systematic racism is conscious effort about how individual white guys wake up contemplating how they can hold a brother down. I see you still have no clue what systematic racism is, it's not about your personal beliefs or actions, it's the inherent racism that exists as the accumulation of racial inequality that as instituted to ensure white privilege and advantage. It exists with or without your own personal actions, please try and understand it's not the same as racial prejudice.

    Do you get up and wait for some white guy to give you an advantage, no, it just is ... It's built into the system by default because of 100s of years of policy and cultural construct. This is the part you don't seem to understand or is lost on you. It's not a personal action by you. It's a much bigger issue because it's not simply saying oh don't be prejudice they are not the same thing. It has nothing to do with you waking up and deciding anything.
    12-18-2014 12:30 AM
  20. reseefata107's Avatar
    I know I wake up every day and define the ways I'm going to hold down the black man...I'm not sure what the Obamas thought white people did from day to day. Perhaps 'Murica isn't the right place for "them".
    Hey,
    I think is about time to admit some whites still believed that they’re more superior than other races on this planet, they acted evil, they hated other races, they suppressed others, they cheated in every aspect of human being, they deprived mankind dignities, they stole land and properties, they committed crime against humanity, they hide under their skin shade cause troubled in every part of globe, furthermore, they disliked other whites. Why can’t white stop evil acts against people with different skin shades?
    12-18-2014 12:39 AM
  21. reseefata107's Avatar
    Hey Ledsteplin,
    There are many threads in forum apps for everyone to choose interest topics that included politics. For Obama valet issues, what Obama says is that white people can learn from it and change their attitudes toward other people who don’t look like them white. No matter what color people achieved in society like ours, white still disliked them for making headway. They disliked the facts that no other races should accomplish good thing in life but only them white; whilst they continue suppress color people.
    12-18-2014 01:27 AM
  22. pappy53's Avatar
    Hey Ledsteplin,
    There are many threads in forum apps for everyone to choose interest topics that included politics. For Obama valet issues, what Obama says is that white people can learn from it and change their attitudes toward other people who don’t look like them white. No matter what color people achieved in society like ours, white still disliked them for making headway. They disliked the facts that no other races should accomplish good thing in life but only them white; whilst they continue suppress color people.
    "Keep the black man down!"......you are so full of it.
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    12-18-2014 07:28 AM
  23. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Hey,
    I think is about time to admit some whites still believed that theyre more superior than other races on this planet, they acted evil, they hated other races, they suppressed others, they cheated in every aspect of human being, they deprived mankind dignities, they stole land and properties, they committed crime against humanity, they hide under their skin shade cause troubled in every part of globe, furthermore, they disliked other whites. Why cant white stop evil acts against people with different skin shades?
    Acadia11, is that you?? Sure sounds like it.

    Chuckles


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    12-18-2014 07:45 AM
  24. acadia11's Avatar
    Acadia11, is that you?? Sure sounds like it.

    Chuckles


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    Does that sound like me. I'm far more eloquent than to play the blame game, as it would devalue my argument and not further my point. And I infact do not agree with the poster, in this regard that whites are inherently more racist than any other group. While the results of colonialism may have had more near term impact on our present day, I do not feel that whites are anymore or less racist, I do feel that the impact of colonialism and imperialism by European nations has shaped the modern day in terms of racism, global dynamics, even whole continents. And to that extent has been more devastating but this in so far it's the most complete and recent implementation of systematic racism.

    A great book on the subject is Exterminate all the brutes, which examines or relates how koseph conrads, heart of darkness , the basis for apocalypse now, commentary on the Barbarianism of European colonialism and imperialism. More importantly it surmises Hitler is seen as the culmination of these practices and was no more or less racist than the rest of Europe, essentially, he visited upon Europe and Europeans what they had been doing in their colonies for centuries. Moreover industrial might final aligned with Barbarianism of racism that was difference. So, the question are Whites more or less racist is for me moot, it's not question of how racist, it's a question of impact of that racism and the European colonialism and imperialism was essentially the first time the world saw and instituted global systematic racism, this is the difference. Whites are no more or less racist than anyone else but the consequences of that racism has been different.
    Last edited by acadia11; 12-18-2014 at 01:24 PM.
    12-18-2014 09:10 AM
  25. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Right because systematic racism is conscious effort about how individual white guys wake up contemplating how they can hold a brother down. I see you still have no clue what systematic racism is, it's not about your personal beliefs or actions, it's the inherent racism that exists as the accumulation of racial inequality that as instituted to ensure white privilege and advantage. It exists with or without your own personal actions, please try and understand it's not the same as racial prejudice.

    Do you get up and wait for some white guy to give you an advantage, no, it just is ... It's built into the system by default because of 100s of years of policy and cultural construct. This is the part you don't seem to understand or is lost on you. It's not a personal action by you. It's a much bigger issue because it's not simply saying oh don't be prejudice they are not the same thing. It has nothing to do with you waking up and deciding anything.
    Hey,
    I think is about time to admit some whites still believed that they’re more superior than other races on this planet, they acted evil, they hated other races, they suppressed others, they cheated in every aspect of human being, they deprived mankind dignities, they stole land and properties, they committed crime against humanity, they hide under their skin shade cause troubled in every part of globe, furthermore, they disliked other whites. Why can’t white stop evil acts against people with different skin shades?
    12-18-2014 10:38 AM
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