1. M.Rizk's Avatar
    Apple systems figured out that my US mailing address was a freight forwarding service so they decided to cancel my order. I just wanted the US model so badly as it supports the frequencies I needed unlike the one that will be released locally later this year

    That's really not fair, those who really need the device don't get it, but others who get it to make profits online by selling it, get it :/


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    09-24-2013 05:11 AM
  2. z00mER's Avatar
    I have the same problem, but I made order to address of my friend. And the apple was canceled this order. I really don't know whats wrong.
    09-24-2013 05:23 AM
  3. asdpro's Avatar
    Sounds bad...
    09-24-2013 12:00 PM
  4. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Apple systems figured out that my US mailing address was a freight forwarding service so they decided to cancel my order. I just wanted the US model so badly as it supports the frequencies I needed unlike the one that will be released locally later this year

    That's really not fair, those who really need the device don't get it, but others who get it to make profits online by selling it, get it :/


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    Nobody NEEDS this device...this is a luxury item, you could easily go buy a phone that functions in the same way anywhere without waiting. As far as what others do with their phone, what difference does that make on whether or not they deserved to have it? I bought a 5S with no intention of selling it, but in the end, that's what I wanted to do.

    It's perfectly fair. It's just not CONVENIENT for you.
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    09-24-2013 12:02 PM
  5. Rocket_Girl's Avatar
    I don't know a lot about freight-forward, but it sounds like Apple shipping would only get it partway to you. They lose control of what happens after that. Apple is good at getting phones to their intended owners (with a few 'I-received-an-empty-box" exceptions) - yer even that is amazingly rare. And they make it right.

    Part of that means not giving up control halfway through the ship. This makes sense to me- if you (as the buyer) can't sign it out of Apple's custody yourself, that's a big risk for them. it's inconvenient, yes - but imagine the chaos if their shipping process --on its massive new-launch scale-- were any less secure. If they delivered one buyer's phone to another person's address, that could make it crazy-easy to buy iThings with stolen ID.

    I feel your pain - but that's about bummed-out-ness rather than unfair-ness.
    09-24-2013 12:17 PM
  6. porksoda's Avatar
    The trick is to get your ameri-friend to place the order. If your billing address is different than shipping, especially in a different country you will have a problem.
    09-24-2013 12:39 PM
  7. ame's Avatar
    It is perfectly fair. You're shipping it to an address not tied to your billing address, and you're not in the same country as the device is registered to be used in. They noticed that and cancelled it which is their way of saying "buy it where you live."
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    09-24-2013 12:57 PM
  8. M.Rizk's Avatar
    The trick is to get your ameri-friend to place the order. If your billing address is different than shipping, especially in a different country you will have a problem.
    It is perfectly fair. You're shipping it to an address not tied to your billing address, and you're not in the same country as the device is registered to be used in. They noticed that and cancelled it which is their way of saying "buy it where you live."
    Actually my bank doesn't care about the Billing address, and even If I enter a fake one they would still allow the money to be withdrawn. My bank instead tracks all the charges before they happen and they allow them of course if used on high reputation websites as Apple. Yes my bank is secure, my credit card was information was stolen online twice and my bank was able to stop it twice before any charges happen.

    So yes, my shipping address that was entered on Apple was the same as the billing address that I also entered.


    Nobody NEEDS this device...this is a luxury item, you could easily go buy a phone that functions in the same way anywhere without waiting. As far as what others do with their phone, what difference does that make on whether or not they deserved to have it? I bought a 5S with no intention of selling it, but in the end, that's what I wanted to do.

    It's perfectly fair. It's just not CONVENIENT for you.
    I actually do "NEED" this device, I know well the difference between "NEED" and "WANT". My current smartphone (was smart) can hardly do any calls, or text now. Something is wrong with it and since it is out of warranty I did not care about fixing it.

    I never considered Apple products luxury. I only count those golden(real gold) products, and diamond luxury other than this it is just an "expensive" device. Maybe your luxury definition differs from mine. I am not sure why you are even trying to attack me like I insulted you, or even Apple. I just said Apple canceled my order, I was not that mad about it. I know you were going to sell your phone, and your case is different. I meant those who buy it just to sell it on eBay, please do not take everything personally.
    09-24-2013 03:24 PM
  9. ame's Avatar
    Take a deep breath, please.

    You posted this thread to vent or ask for input on your situation. We are giving it to you, and it's not what you want to hear, which is a shame, yes. It's inconvenient that you were unable to obtain a US version of the phone, but that's life and you're not going to die because of it. If you so desperately NEED a new phone, surely you can obtain one locally to you. You WANT the Apple phone, you don't NEED it. And yes, it IS a luxury good. No one NEEDS a cell phone, period, Apple or otherwise. It's not a necessity of life like food or water. Your definition of luxury clearly is much more extravagant than the actual definition: "the state of great comfort and extravagant living." Yes, diamonds, gold, etc, fall under that, but so do Apple devices and any other smart phone or likewise.

    Your bank isn't the issue, Apple is. Apple made the decision as to where the shipping and billing addresses originate. And since you said you were using a freight forwarding address, that's not the same as your final destination, so they cancelled it, likely as a protection from fraud on their end.
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    09-24-2013 03:42 PM
  10. M.Rizk's Avatar
    Take a deep breath, please.

    You posted this thread to vent or ask for input on your situation. We are giving it to you, and it's not what you want to hear, which is a shame, yes. It's inconvenient that you were unable to obtain a US version of the phone, but that's life and you're not going to die because of it. If you so desperately NEED a new phone, surely you can obtain one locally to you. You WANT the Apple phone, you don't NEED it. And yes, it IS a luxury good. No one NEEDS a cell phone, period, Apple or otherwise. It's not a necessity of life like food or water. Your definition of luxury clearly is much more extravagant than the actual definition: "the state of great comfort and extravagant living." Yes, diamonds, gold, etc, fall under that, but so do Apple devices and any other smart phone or likewise.

    Your bank isn't the issue, Apple is. Apple made the decision as to where the shipping and billing addresses originate. And since you said you were using a freight forwarding address, that's not the same as your final destination, so they cancelled it, likely as a protection from fraud on their end.
    I know my bank is not the issue, However no way Apple can know the final destination anyway, they just know that the device will be used somewhere else not in the US that's why they canceled the order. I understand their policy, and respect it. I was just sad I could not get what I wanted.

    I did post here maybe someone experienced similar issues and was able to find another way to order the device, but I never expected I would start a flame war over the forums by posting this topic. That is why I apologize. Apparently It was a wrong decision placing this topic here.
    09-24-2013 04:05 PM
  11. sting7k's Avatar
    I have the same problem, but I made order to address of my friend. And the apple was canceled this order. I really don't know whats wrong.
    You're doing it wrong. Send your friend the money. Have them buy the iPhone. Then your friend mails you the iPhone.
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    09-24-2013 04:18 PM
  12. ame's Avatar
    I know my bank is not the issue, However no way Apple can know the final destination anyway, they just know that the device will be used somewhere else not in the US that's why they canceled the order. I understand their policy, and respect it. I was just sad I could not get what I wanted.

    I did post here maybe someone experienced similar issues and was able to find another way to order the device, but I never expected I would start a flame war over the forums by posting this topic. That is why I apologize. Apparently It was a wrong decision placing this topic here.
    You can be sad without being dramatic.

    Apple likely gets orders to go through those types of shipping companies and since they don't know the final destination, likely cancels them due to that. That's simply their policy, and yes, while it sucks for you, they're protecting themselves, if not others by having it. The only way you're likely going to get one through the US is through Ebay.
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    09-24-2013 04:25 PM
  13. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Actually my bank doesn't care about the Billing address, and even If I enter a fake one they would still allow the money to be withdrawn. My bank instead tracks all the charges before they happen and they allow them of course if used on high reputation websites as Apple. Yes my bank is secure, my credit card was information was stolen online twice and my bank was able to stop it twice before any charges happen.

    So yes, my shipping address that was entered on Apple was the same as the billing address that I also entered.




    I actually do "NEED" this device, I know well the difference between "NEED" and "WANT". My current smartphone (was smart) can hardly do any calls, or text now. Something is wrong with it and since it is out of warranty I did not care about fixing it.

    I never considered Apple products luxury. I only count those golden(real gold) products, and diamond luxury other than this it is just an "expensive" device. Maybe your luxury definition differs from mine. I am not sure why you are even trying to attack me like I insulted you, or even Apple. I just said Apple canceled my order, I was not that mad about it. I know you were going to sell your phone, and your case is different. I meant those who buy it just to sell it on eBay, please do not take everything personally.
    I didn't take anything personally, I was just pointing out a fact that an iPhone is not a necessity, it is a luxury...how so? Because there are plenty of phones on the market that are readily available and significantly cheaper than the iPhone that do the same things the iPhone does that a person could even remotely classify as "necessity".

    I wasn't attacking you, I was simply saying that you were inconvenienced...it wasn't a matter of being fair of unfair, you were trying to get a phone shipped to you in a way that wasn't possible, and because of this, you have to wait. It's not like Apple is out to keep you from getting an iPhone, it's just not time for you to get it yet because it's not available to you yet.

    If anyone needs to chill on taking things personally it's you my friend...I could care less either way to be honest.
    09-24-2013 08:21 PM
  14. tigerinexile's Avatar
    Get a friend in the US or Canada to buy it for you and ship it.

    Alternatively, buy it on eBay and take the hit in terms of paying a slight premium.

    And no, you don't need a particular smartphone. You want it, and you'll have it soon enough no doubt, but you don't need it.
    09-24-2013 08:47 PM
  15. anon(73368)'s Avatar
    Nobody NEEDS this device...this is a luxury item, you could easily go buy a phone that functions in the same way anywhere without waiting. As far as what others do with their phone, what difference does that make on whether or not they deserved to have it? I bought a 5S with no intention of selling it, but in the end, that's what I wanted to do.

    It's perfectly fair. It's just not CONVENIENT for you.
    You end up selling your 5s?
    09-24-2013 08:53 PM
  16. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Apple systems figured out that my US mailing address was a freight forwarding service so they decided to cancel my order. I just wanted the US model so badly as it supports the frequencies I needed unlike the one that will be released locally later this year

    That's really not fair, those who really need the device don't get it, but others who get it to make profits online by selling it, get it :/

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    The one being released in your locale later this year; are you getting it from your carrier? Or would you have obtained it another way? Because if it's coming from your carrier I'm sure they would have the proper model to support the proper frequencies.
    09-24-2013 09:08 PM
  17. M.Rizk's Avatar
    Yes there will be a model coming to my carrier soon. The UK model. Probably in December. I currently live in Qatar which is not my home country. I an originally from Egypt. Although the UK model will also support the LTE in both Egypt and Qatar it won't support it in the US where I spend a part of my summer holiday every year, with exception that in the US I need the maximum battery life possible in any smartphone since me and my family go shopping all day long that's why I need LTE. Yes for the extra 2 hours battery. I don't really care about the LTE speed I already got fiber optics at home.

    It is not like I am getting the US model because it's cheaper than the local model, well yes it's cheaper but I will add AppleCare + and by adding the shipping fees will become as expensive as here giving me no advantage except that I get to use LTE in the US.
    09-25-2013 12:46 AM
  18. reltm's Avatar
    Just trying to be helpful here, but if it's battery life that you care about, check out the HTC One. A friend got it and the battery lasts a crazy long time. The Samsung Galaxy S4 looks to be the battery king, though. Check out this link for more:
    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Which...hic_id45005#2-

    Those Android phones are pretty huge of course, but the extra screen real estate and battery life make the trade off a little sweeter.
    09-25-2013 01:09 AM
  19. M.Rizk's Avatar
    Open source and me don't mix. Would rather get a Nokia 3310 than an Android. It's either iOS for the app eco system, being a high quality product or BlackBerry 10 for the crazy security.
    09-25-2013 01:16 AM
  20. Alexander Patalenski's Avatar
    I've never seen so many idiots in one thread!!!

    FYI, having a mobile phone and be connected to the Internet is considered *a necessity* in the EU, or "a common right", and there are many laws already based on this assumption!

    The guy's upset and is looking for an answer, or a way to get what he wants - what's so wrong?! That's what forums are for, after all!

    I'm from eastern Europe and I have a similar problem. If I buy the phone here, it will be TWICE more expensive than from USA. And, as any American would do - I'm looking for a way to obtain it for less cash; I'm looking for the best deal. Is that wrong??

    The whole topic about "security" is a total bull****! Every parcel is INSURED! In fact, I have much LESS security for my shipments while they travel to my USA mail-forwarding address (provided by Access USA, MyUS.com - #1 International Shipping, Mail and Package Forwarding Service - MyUS.com) than AFTER that - from USA to my country (by DHL)! I had two (2) SegWays this way, more than 20 laptops, about ONE TON of books and CDs - NEVER missing anything! In which century you live in?!

    Apple doesn't care will you receive your package or not, you stupid! It's not their business! That's the job of the parcel companies and their insurers! Fact is - the iPad and the Mac Book Pro I've ordered (and paid the same way) are on their way, already! The only reason they cancel the iPhones is that this is their POLICY at the moment! And the guy (and me too) is upset because it is a STUPID policy, that's it!

    I was in the same situation 10 years ago when I've ordered my Prius and after 2 months they returned me back the money. "It is out of our policy for this region" they said from Toyota Europe in Belgium. So I friend of mine ordered the can on my name *in Estonia* and when it was ready, I went there, paid it and drove 3400 km through half Europe - back home! It was the first hybrid car, imported in my country. And also in Estonia. But instead of being proud of this I still feel disappointed to this day!

    We live in a global market and such restrictions and senseless policies are not only archaic but also stupid and upsetting. After all, we all are Apple's customers and we deserve to be treated with equal respect! And placing regional restrictions is not a respectful treatment of your clients. Or holding the highest prices IN THE WORLD in one of the poorest countries (mine) - just because they doesn't give a **** about this market!!


    P.S. having an iPhone may be a luxury in USA but obviously not in the rest of the world! :-p So please, be *more tolerant* and open minded if you don't want to see more comments like this!
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    12-04-2013 09:47 AM
  21. M.Rizk's Avatar
    I've never seen so many idiots in one thread!!!

    FYI, having a mobile phone and be connected to the Internet is considered *a necessity* in the EU, or "a common right", and there are many laws already based on this assumption!

    The guy's upset and is looking for an answer, or a way to get what he wants - what's so wrong?! That's what forums are for, after all!

    I'm from eastern Europe and I have a similar problem. If I buy the phone here, it will be TWICE more expensive than from USA. And, as any American would do - I'm looking for a way to obtain it for less cash; I'm looking for the best deal. Is that wrong??

    The whole topic about "security" is a total bull****! Every parcel is INSURED! In fact, I have much LESS security for my shipments while they travel to my USA mail-forwarding address (provided by Access USA, MyUS.com - #1 International Shipping, Mail and Package Forwarding Service - MyUS.com) than AFTER that - from USA to my country (by DHL)! I had two (2) SegWays this way, more than 20 laptops, about ONE TON of books and CDs - NEVER missing anything! In which century you live in?!

    Apple doesn't care will you receive your package or not, you stupid! It's not their business! That's the job of the parcel companies and their insurers! Fact is - the iPad and the Mac Book Pro I've ordered (and paid the same way) are on their way, already! The only reason they cancel the iPhones is that this is their POLICY at the moment! And the guy (and me too) is upset because it is a STUPID policy, that's it!

    I was in the same situation 10 years ago when I've ordered my Prius and after 2 months they returned me back the money. "It is out of our policy for this region" they said from Toyota Europe in Belgium. So I friend of mine ordered the can on my name *in Estonia* and when it was ready, I went there, paid it and drove 3400 km through half Europe - back home! It was the first hybrid car, imported in my country. And also in Estonia. But instead of being proud of this I still feel disappointed to this day!

    We live in a global market and such restrictions and senseless policies are not only archaic but also stupid and upsetting. After all, we all are Apple's customers and we deserve to be treated with equal respect! And placing regional restrictions is not a respectful treatment of your clients. Or holding the highest prices IN THE WORLD in one of the poorest countries (mine) - just because they doesn't give a **** about this market!!


    P.S. having an iPhone may be a luxury in USA but obviously not in the rest of the world! :-p So please, be *more tolerant* and open minded if you don't want to see more comments like this!
    Finally someone understands me, that's how I feel exactly. Anyways I asked a friend of mine there to buy one for me and send it to my American Freight Forwarder too.

    I am not sure how getting an iPhone in the US is considered luxury when it's 200$ with a 2 year contract (if you don't have 600$ in cash I don't think you can upgrade your smartphone yearly). Here where I live there is nothing called contract, you have to pay full prices for a SIM free unit, so getting the T-Mobile version from the US was the best choice for me, specially that I visit the US a lot and would love to have LTE there.


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    12-04-2013 09:54 AM
  22. wamsille's Avatar
    Calling people in this thread idiots and asking for more tolerance is a tad hypocritical.

    Apple doesn't care will you receive your package or not, you stupid! It's not their business!

    Actually yes, they do care that the package goes to its intended recipient. Regardless of the point you are trying to make, assuming a company has no vested interest in making sure packages get delivered to their customers is asinine.

    We live in a global market and such restrictions and senseless policies are not only archaic but also stupid and upsetting.

    Right, but we also live in a delicately woven global society that with a misspoken word or out of context phrase could create a small war. Policies and procedures are in place for a reason. Whether this is convenient, inconvenient or incredibly stupid from your point of your is irrelevant. From your anecdotal evidence you have proven that there are workarounds present in the current system. How about politicking for changes in regulations rather than posturing in a message forum suggesting other people are intolerant? It has nothing to do with our worldly view or (if any) cultural bias Americans are commonly associated with.

    OP - sorry to hear Apple canceled your order. It may be in their policy that they will not ship to a freight forwarder. As someone that works in procurement I can say that not shipping to a freight forwarder is a common policy. In industries I have been part of where regulation is key, I cannot go willy nilly and ship to a "friend" in the United States who will in turn ship the product overseas. There are agreements in place that would not only prevent such a shipment but likely terminate my contract as a customer.

    Is there potentially some regulation that prevents a specific build of the iPhone from shipping overseas? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are region specific builds just as there are network specific builds. (Verizon, Sprint)

    But I want the one with all the additional bands!

    That is your problem with Apple. Take up the arcane policy with them and see if they will be willing to change. I don't think Apple is going out of its way to punish consumers - they themselves may be limited in what they can offer for sale outside the US.

    Before the accelerated blame game starts and Americans begin to be called stupid and intolerant compared to the forward-thinking and open-minded folks in the rest of the world, take a chill pill and realize your argument is over what we (surprisingly) consider a luxury item. You know, because we are fat, lazy and stupid after all. OP, I hope you eventually get your iPhone in a perfectly legal and ethical way.
    12-04-2013 10:09 AM
  23. wamsille's Avatar
    I am not sure how getting an iPhone in the US is considered luxury when it's 200$ with a 2 year contract (if you don't have 600$ in cash I don't think you can upgrade your smartphone yearly). Here where I live there is nothing called contract, you have to pay full prices for a SIM free unit, so getting the T-Mobile version from the US was the best choice for me, specially that I visit the US a lot and would love to have LTE there.

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    Cellular service contracts are a carry over from the initial roll-out of wireless technology across the United States. Because spectrum is at a premium and keeping the network up and running requires constant maintenance, in order to keep the machine going people are tied into multi-year agreements.

    side note: Before I'm challenged with the rebuttal that the wireless networks in the US are behind those in other parts of the world, that is not the issue here and should not overtake a thread about Apple's policy towards not shipping to a freight forwarder.

    I digress. Since there is no real benefit in signing a contract for the customer, the 'what's in it for me / WIIFM' is a subsidized phone from the carrier.

    You aren't really paying $200 on contract for a phone. You are paying:

    a) Typically (not always) a $36 activation fee
    b) A monthly rate equal to greater than $20-70$, most times not including the data plan
    c) Taxes, fees, surcharges
    d) A termination fee of around $300 - $400, which goes down by an incremental amount for each month of service under the agreement you have fulfilled

    If you want the phone but not the contract, you are more than welcome to go month to month. That is an option.

    People in the US do not need cell phones. We choose to procure them because they offer value and/or we want them. It is not a right but a privilege. Same as driving - accept any ***** can go out and buy a phone. You still have to take a test in order to get a license.
    12-04-2013 10:19 AM
  24. M.Rizk's Avatar
    Cellular service contracts are a carry over from the initial roll-out of wireless technology across the United States. Because spectrum is at a premium and keeping the network up and running requires constant maintenance, in order to keep the machine going people are tied into multi-year agreements.

    side note: Before I'm challenged with the rebuttal that the wireless networks in the US are behind those in other parts of the world, that is not the issue here and should not overtake a thread about Apple's policy towards not shipping to a freight forwarder.

    I digress. Since there is no real benefit in signing a contract for the customer, the 'what's in it for me / WIIFM' is a subsidized phone from the carrier.

    You aren't really paying $200 on contract for a phone. You are paying:

    a) Typically (not always) a $36 activation fee
    b) A monthly rate equal to greater than $20-70$, most times not including the data plan
    c) Taxes, fees, surcharges
    d) A termination fee of around $300 - $400, which goes down by an incremental amount for each month of service under the agreement you have fulfilled

    If you want the phone but not the contract, you are more than welcome to go month to month. That is an option.

    People in the US do not need cell phones. We choose to procure them because they offer value and/or we want them. It is not a right but a privilege. Same as driving - accept any ***** can go out and buy a phone. You still have to take a test in order to get a license.
    The spectrum is premium everywhere and you get to pay connection fees, but not all countries have contracts as those who don't just offer the devices at full price (which is usually much more expensive than the US iPhone off contract price).

    I know what the contract price is divided into, and regarding a termination fee you should not terminate it if you are not going to keep it. Anyways the termination fee is just 400. Now 400 + 200 is equal to 600, which is the off contract price and that is fair, really fair. If it was my country and we had contracts you would have paid much more as a penalty for early termination that will cost much more than an off contract phone, but in the US it just acts as if you got your phone on a two months installments.

    Here an iPhone 5S 32 GB is offered for about 958$, that's the iPhone 5S 32 GB off contract price in the US including taxes and a 2 years of Apple Care +. Also the US model offers much more spectrums, including ones that I need as I said earlier I do come to the US in summer on a yearly basis and would be more than happy to have LTE there.

    You're asking me, or all of us to deal with Apple in a certain way so that they change their policy. Well, Apple doesn't even have a store where I live. They are partnered with carriers only and carriers claim that it costs more to get it here as it comes unlocked, well my T-Mobile 5S is unlocked so their statement is now invalid.

    Apple yes does have a policy that doesn't allow shipments to freight forwarders but I am sorry, I won't respect a policy that Apple itself doesn't follow. Yes, I have tried to buy many accessories of Apple.com US website including the 5S Leather case, and Apple TV. Apple shipped both to my freight forwarder address in just about 24 hours, why didn't they do the same as they did with the iPhone I ordered then?! It's because they only apply it when they feel like it.

    One more reason I got the iPhone from Apple.com US is that no one in my country respects the warranty and if anything happens to your phone carriers will always claim that the issue is not included in warranty (unless it's a software restore) and will charge you a luxury premium price for it, and there is a chance they will use non genius parts if they need to replace anything!

    This happened with my MacBook Pro which was bought from Qatar, a keyboard key got broken and they refused in Qatar to fix it for free. I had only a week left till I travel to the US so I gave it to Apple Store in San Francisco and they fixed it in under 3 days FOR FREE! That's why I got my iPhone from the US with Apple Care + so that if anything bad happens to it, I would be able to fix it when I got to the US in summer, or have a replacement.


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    12-04-2013 10:41 AM
  25. wamsille's Avatar
    In the end you received your iPhone 5S and it is unlocked. You got everything you wanted sans the higher pricing despite the hiccups from Apple. As for the inconsistencies in how their policy is applied, I cannot be certain why one order is rejected whereas another is shipped out. You mention that there isn't an Apple store in your area and that Apple is only working with the carriers.

    Think about that for a moment.

    Instead of cannibalizing sales and negating agreements that Apple has in place with carriers in the region, they are refusing to ship to freight forwarders. So what is wrong with that? The price? Sure, the price may be higher than what you are willing to pay by several hundred dollars. (ouch) Fact is, this is the negotiated pricing between Apple and the carriers based on any number of factors. Perhaps Apple is greedy, or there is additional expense to certify to specifications for your regional carriers. Perhaps your carrier is greedy, or they make little money from equipment sales and need to generate revenue since no one is "locked in" to a provider.

    Edit:

    Is it then fair to speculate that there is more to the policies and procedures in place?

    Carrier - Apple, I want to sell your iPhone on my network.

    Apple - Sure! We'd be delighted to support your network.

    Carrier - Yeah, but here's the catch. We know consumers could easily get an unlocked model to use on our network from you directly. Could you restrict delivery outside the US to prevent people from taking advantage of the currency exchange rates?

    Apple - Of course. We want to partner with you and while we would appreciate the direct fulfilment there is more to being in business than making money.
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    12-04-2013 11:06 AM
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