1. sidn625's Avatar
    So, I don't think I'm going to be going to a windows phone or surface pro 3 at the moment. I honestly thought about it because I do like the OS of windows phone and I think surface pro 3 is a solid piece of kit and is cool, but the App Store situation of windows phone puts me off of it and I don't know if I want to pay the high cost of the surface 3 when I could just get a cheaper laptop, since I'd mostly use the surface as a laptop I think.

    So, with that said I now wondering if I should continue using MS services on my iPad and iPhone or possibly switch to google. I'm unsure which work better on apples platforms.

    I like using one drive and one note and I think office 365 is a good value, although I'm not sure if I need full office considering what I do. But 1TB of one drive space is nice. As far as bing goes, I don't mind it. But I'm sure google is better. And I don't use IE on my PC and it's not even a option on iOS or Mac.

    As far as google services go, I'm unsure how I feel about the whole privacy thing. I get that Google uses my anonymous data for ads and such, but they do give me good services in exchange. I do use gmail although I do like the look of outlook.com a lot. But I hear outlook.com is perhaps not viewed highly in professional circles and the like. I also use google calendar, chrome, and have some things in drive like photos. Im unsure how microsoft calendar system compares to googles.

    Again, I think I want to stay mostly in the apple camp when it comes to phone and tablet. Laptop I'm between either windows or Mac, and I don't really want a iMac because of the games and software available on PC.

    So does anyone have any thoughts? Which would you say may be better for me? If you would like me to elaborate more on my usage, please let me know because I'd really like to get this figured out
    I would be really glad to hear from you, which app isn't even now available in the windows phone store. Also, check out Cortana and its integration with Bing. You should give another thought to buying a windows phone.
    07-15-2014 08:01 AM
  2. RavenSword's Avatar
    I don't think that will happen. The major cloud players have different business models. Google for instance gets their money from advertising so it is to their advantage to be of as many platforms as possible.
    True. But do you think those individual apps would still offer as much value on their own as they would if you used ALL Google or ALL microsoft? It's like with apple where sure you can just use a iPhone and then a android tablet, but you lose a lot of integration with services and etc.
    07-15-2014 11:58 AM
  3. RavenSword's Avatar
    I would be really glad to hear from you, which app isn't even now available in the windows phone store. Also, check out Cortana and its integration with Bing. You should give another thought to buying a windows phone.
    It's not so much the number of apps as it is the support of existing apps with me. I tried windows phone, used my friends 920 for a month, and noticed apps I like such as spotify, slacker radio, and etc. haven't been touched in months by the devs for updates.

    That said there were some apps I missed such as amazon video, a official Dropbox client, a good twitter app, a official YouTube app, and not to mention support for google services.
    07-15-2014 12:03 PM
  4. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    True. But do you think those individual apps would still offer as much value on their own as they would if you used ALL Google or ALL microsoft? It's like with apple where sure you can just use a iPhone and then a android tablet, but you lose a lot of integration with services and etc.
    Possibly. But it's just not something I'm concerned about. If I really wanted "absolute best" in any given category, I would buy one of each. But I've determined that the overall mix of services that Apple e provides is best for me (and for me 1 phone is enough). So I'm just not worried that I don't have the best Microsoft or Google services on my phone. They work good enough for what I use them for.
    It's really no different than any other consumer electronics. If I was in the market for a new TV, maybe the "best" for sports is different than the "best" for action movies which is different than the "best" for documentaries which is different than the "best" for 3D content, etc, etc. I'm still only going to buy one new TV which best meets the uses I'll have for it. Will I know that I don't have the absolute best? Yes. Do I really care (because what I purchased works good enough for me)? No.
    07-15-2014 12:08 PM
  5. RavenSword's Avatar
    Possibly. But it's just not something I'm concerned about. If I really wanted "absolute best" in any given category, I would buy one of each. But I've determined that the overall mix of services that Apple e provides is best for me (and for me 1 phone is enough). So I'm just not worried that I don't have the best Microsoft or Google services on my phone. They work good enough for what I use them for.
    It's really no different than any other consumer electronics. If I was in the market for a new TV, maybe the "best" for sports is different than the "best" for action movies which is different than the "best" for documentaries which is different than the "best" for 3D content, etc, etc. I'm still only going to buy one new TV which best meets the uses I'll have for it. Will I know that I don't have the absolute best? Yes. Do I really care (because what I purchased works good enough for me)? No.
    Yeah, as long as I'm able to use whatever service I want regardless if platform and it works well , I think I'm good. I love apple hardware, so us prefer other companies services to work well so I can decide what to use by the merit of the device rather than because I feel I have to or don't have a choice.
    07-15-2014 07:42 PM
  6. ajst222's Avatar
    I'd have to say Microsoft. Their programs are better and more powerful I believe (Office and OneNote, for example). I know the mobile apps aren't necessarily more powerful, but the full applications themselves are. Let's face it...Google Docs is absolutely no match for to Office, and even Office Online. OneNote is also better than Google Notes I believe. This one is more personal preference, but I can't stand Google Drive, and I use OneDrive myself.

    The big thing though is how well everything works with and around Office, which is the standard as far as office suites go. The Google apps don't have that compatibility which I think is huge. And especially if you're making the decision for a business, Microsoft services are an easy choice because of the Lync compatibility as well.
    07-15-2014 09:09 PM
  7. RavenSword's Avatar
    I'd have to say Microsoft. Their programs are better and more powerful I believe (Office and OneNote, for example). I know the mobile apps aren't necessarily more powerful, but the full applications themselves are. Let's face it...Google Docs is absolutely no match for to Office, and even Office Online. OneNote is also better than Google Notes I believe. This one is more personal preference, but I can't stand Google Drive, and I use OneDrive myself.

    The big thing though is how well everything works with and around Office, which is the standard as far as office suites go. The Google apps don't have that compatibility which I think is huge. And especially if you're making the decision for a business, Microsoft services are an easy choice because of the Lync compatibility as well.
    It's not for business purposes, only for personal use. So I'm just trying to figure out which is better for that. I know most people use office and Microsoft services because of work or because they feel they sorta have to because of work.
    07-15-2014 10:00 PM
  8. ajst222's Avatar
    It's not for business purposes, only for personal use. So I'm just trying to figure out which is better for that. I know most people use office and Microsoft services because of work or because they feel they sorta have to because of work.
    Oh no, I'm not saying you are. I'm saying if this decision was for a business, it would be much easier. It really comes down to personal preference and what services you find important. Most people find Office important anyway, so I think Microsoft services are naturally a better choice. Plus I like Microsoft's UI better. That's a personal preference, however.
    07-15-2014 10:03 PM
  9. RavenSword's Avatar
    Oh no, I'm not saying you are. I'm saying if this decision was for a business, it would be much easier. It really comes down to personal preference and what services you find important. Most people find Office important anyway, so I think Microsoft services are naturally a better choice. Plus I like Microsoft's UI better. That's a personal preference, however.
    What devices do you use? Are you mostly all apple and do you find that Microsoft services work well there?
    07-15-2014 10:08 PM
  10. ajst222's Avatar
    What devices do you use? Are you mostly all apple and do you find that Microsoft services work well there?
    As of right now, I actually use no Apple devices. However, I used to be all Google, and about a year and a half ago I made the complete switch over to Microsoft services, and that was due to OneDrive. Hated Google Drive and decided to give OneDrive a go. Loved it, and with that Microsoft account, I had access to all of their services, so I tried them and liked them.

    I have had Office, OneDrive, and OneNote installed on both iPhones and MacBooks without and issues whatsoever. But I don't really think you should be most concerned on what "works with Apple". They both will get the job done fine. I think the question should be what services (Microsoft or Google) you prefer better. That's just my two cents.
    07-15-2014 10:12 PM
  11. RavenSword's Avatar
    As of right now, I actually use no Apple devices. However, I used to be all Google, and about a year and a half ago I made the complete switch over to Microsoft services, and that was due to OneDrive. Hated Google Drive and decided to give OneDrive a go. Loved it, and with that Microsoft account, I had access to all of their services, so I tried them and liked them.

    I have had Office, OneDrive, and OneNote installed on both iPhones and MacBooks without and issues whatsoever. But I don't really think you should be most concerned on what "works with Apple". They both will get the job done fine. I think the question should be what services (Microsoft or Google) you prefer better. That's just my two cents.
    By get the job done fine do you mean they'll both work just as good?
    07-15-2014 10:51 PM
  12. ajst222's Avatar
    By get the job done fine do you mean they'll both work just as good?
    They both get the job done well. I wouldn't worry about how well the apps themselves work
    07-15-2014 10:54 PM
  13. RavenSword's Avatar
    They both get the job done well. I wouldn't worry about how well the apps themselves work
    I do wonder though if I use google services how much I should be concerned with privacy issues or not. I don't really care if they have anonymous data on me that they keep safe, but another part of me thinks it might be better to use a service that doesn't do that if service is as good or better.
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    07-16-2014 01:10 PM
  14. ajst222's Avatar
    I do wonder though if I use google services how much I should be concerned with privacy issues or not. I don't really care if they have anonymous data on me that they keep safe, but another part of me thinks it might be better to use a service that doesn't do that if service is as good or better.

    I use Microsoft services and that is because I prefer the services, period. The fact that Google uses data for advertising doesn't bother me one bit.
    07-16-2014 01:13 PM
  15. RavenSword's Avatar
    I use Microsoft services and that is because I prefer the services, period. The fact that Google uses data for advertising doesn't bother me one bit.
    Yeah, it's probably not worth stressing about. Just was curious.

    I gotta say though I do really like what nadella is doing and stressing with multiplayform support and making there stuff great across every platform. Exciting stuff.
    07-16-2014 01:26 PM
  16. RavenSword's Avatar
    I might try to forward my main gmail account to my outlook account and see how I like that. I hear that gmail is quicker with receiving messages though, but I really like how simple outlook.com is. Gmail can get rather intimidating or cramped.
    07-20-2014 04:15 AM
  17. fb2's Avatar
    Even thing in using a Gmail account and also always google for searches I still think that Microsoft apps are way better.

    All office applications are much better on all operating systems, also iOS.

    I personally couldn't live without OneNote, word, excel etc., because they offer awesome features and the sync is also very fast and good.

    But you have to decide for yourself. I recommend to use the simplest method: pros & cons
    Just check who offers what an how important the points are for you

    As mentioned here also you could wait for iOS 8 and Yosemite, where iCloud drive is integrated.
    07-21-2014 12:25 PM
  18. rdubmu's Avatar
    This is my opinion

    Search: Push
    Google = Bing! (seriously)

    Calendar online: Google by a landslide but if you include Outlook 2013: Slight edge to Outlook.com
    Google Calendar > Outlook Calendar (nobody makes a better online calendar than google)

    Email: Outlook by a landslide
    Gmail < Outlook.com: even if you use gmail, I recommend you import your email to outlook, the tools are much superior.

    Cloud Storage: Onedrive by a landslide
    GDrive <<<< Onedrive: If you subscribe to office 365, you get a lot of memory. I like how it integrates both into the finder on the MAC, and the file explorer on Windows 8. Also one drive integrates with office apps across all platforms.

    Contacts Google wins this one.
    gmail > Outlook.com: Google contacts I find that is syncs better across platforms while outlook might be missing information that is available on outlook.com but doesn't sync with your android or iOS device.

    gmail package < Outlook Package: you can use outlook to import all your email addresses, send email from that address as an alias, import gmail contacts into your people hub.

    Office: Not even close. If you own a chrome book I would suggest office online verses the crappy Google Docs.
    Google Docs < MS Office: it isn't even close. MS office is a standard. I would take office 2003 over google docs.

    email programs-
    nothing beats outlook 2013 for productivity, best calendar, contacts and email, and yes you can sync your outlook.com account to it.

    You will most likely get more support from Microsoft than Google. Google is known for discontinuing products at a moments notice while Microsoft isn't. Also: google has no support for windows 8, while Microsoft provides support across every ecosystem. (BB, Android, iOS, OSX, WIN8, Windows Phone)

    The another big issue is going to be privacy, Google is an advertising company first, while Microsoft is a software company, they both provide similar services but both make there money differently (google: ads, MS: Software & Services). Google sells your information and uses it to display ads.
    07-21-2014 02:44 PM
  19. rdubmu's Avatar
    One Note is a killer app on all platforms, it is another reason to go Microsoft. Even for personal use, I would stick with Microsoft.

    You can still use both services. Apple provides more support for Windows 8 (iCloud syncing) than Google does for Windows 8.
    07-21-2014 02:55 PM
  20. RavenSword's Avatar
    This is my opinion

    Search: Push
    Google = Bing! (seriously)

    Calendar online: Google by a landslide but if you include Outlook 2013: Slight edge to Outlook.com
    Google Calendar > Outlook Calendar (nobody makes a better online calendar than google)

    Email: Outlook by a landslide
    Gmail < Outlook.com: even if you use gmail, I recommend you import your email to outlook, the tools are much superior.

    Cloud Storage: Onedrive by a landslide
    GDrive <<<< Onedrive: If you subscribe to office 365, you get a lot of memory. I like how it integrates both into the finder on the MAC, and the file explorer on Windows 8. Also one drive integrates with office apps across all platforms.

    Contacts Google wins this one.
    gmail > Outlook.com: Google contacts I find that is syncs better across platforms while outlook might be missing information that is available on outlook.com but doesn't sync with your android or iOS device.

    gmail package < Outlook Package: you can use outlook to import all your email addresses, send email from that address as an alias, import gmail contacts into your people hub.

    Office: Not even close. If you own a chrome book I would suggest office online verses the crappy Google Docs.
    Google Docs < MS Office: it isn't even close. MS office is a standard. I would take office 2003 over google docs.

    email programs-
    nothing beats outlook 2013 for productivity, best calendar, contacts and email, and yes you can sync your outlook.com account to it.

    You will most likely get more support from Microsoft than Google. Google is known for discontinuing products at a moments notice while Microsoft isn't. Also: google has no support for windows 8, while Microsoft provides support across every ecosystem. (BB, Android, iOS, OSX, WIN8, Windows Phone)

    The another big issue is going to be privacy, Google is an advertising company first, while Microsoft is a software company, they both provide similar services but both make there money differently (google: ads, MS: Software & Services). Google sells your information and uses it to display ads.
    am I missing out on any functionality going with google for contacts and calendar, but microsoft for Email and cloud storage? can that split coexist peacefully?
    07-21-2014 05:43 PM
  21. RavenSword's Avatar
    Even thing in using a Gmail account and also always google for searches I still think that Microsoft apps are way better.

    All office applications are much better on all operating systems, also iOS.

    I personally couldn't live without OneNote, word, excel etc., because they offer awesome features and the sync is also very fast and good.

    But you have to decide for yourself. I recommend to use the simplest method: pros & cons
    Just check who offers what an how important the points are for you

    As mentioned here also you could wait for iOS 8 and Yosemite, where iCloud drive is integrated.
    do you use mac or PC mainly?
    07-21-2014 05:46 PM
  22. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    am I missing out on any functionality going with google for contacts and calendar, but microsoft for Email and cloud storage? can that split coexist peacefully?
    In my opinion, they can coexist without a problem.
    07-21-2014 05:49 PM
  23. RavenSword's Avatar
    In my opinion, they can coexist without a problem.
    I hear that if you use outlook.com for contacts and calendar you do gain the ability to attach stuff from outlook into you calendar like appointments and stuff. I dont think theres a way to do that if I use google calendars but not gmail.

    Honestly, im probaly putting too much thought in this. even if I did use outlook.com for everything and other microsoft services and end up not liking it, its not like I cant go back to google. While I do use ios devices, I prefer a desktop PC I think for reasons like PC games and i am just used to how it works. so i think i am always going to have access to a Windows Device even if its not my mobile OS of choice.as far as laptops go, I dunno. Macs are obviously very good laptops, but I also think the surface Pro 3 looks cool. and I assume if I did go with surface pro 3 for a laptop, i could continue using ios just fine for phone and tablet. Hopefully apple continues to let their devices work well with PCs.
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    07-21-2014 05:56 PM
  24. fb2's Avatar
    do you use mac or PC mainly?
    I'm using a MacBook Pro with 8GB ram, so running windows with the application "parallels desktop" simultaneously is no problem.

    Basically Mac offers lot more for me and all MS applications like OneNote and office for Mac offer all basic functions you need, but the windows versions are always way better, so in my case I have all good stuff of both worlds. So you can use everything on Mac and I you need some more functionality you can turn on windows and use the advanced features.

    I also have Microsoft Office 365 University, so for about 60 I have all Microsoft office software for 4 years on all my devices, on my Mac and also on windows. Furthermore you get 20GB more onedrive storage, skype free minutes and lot more. In my case I just paid 60/4years= 15/year and broken down it's just 15/12 month = 1,25/month for all the awesome functionality and service of Microsoft sir just an coffee a month

    I personally don't use Contacts or calendar from Google or Microsoft, I stick to apple because it's very easy, fast and sync directly without any setup to all my devices and my main operating system (Mac). Also you have access to all your stuff online at iCloud.com

    I think Microsoft's OneDrive is better and faster than Google Drive, but I mainly use Dropbox, where I have more than 40GB (because of referrals and other offers). Dropbox is widely use in a lot of applications as a backup option or to sync settings etc. between devices. With iOS 8 and Yosemite iCloud drive will be released, I think a lot of people (and also I) will use that because it's more interested in the Mac and iOS environment.
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    07-22-2014 01:23 AM
  25. fb2's Avatar
    I hear that if you use outlook.com for contacts and calendar you do gain the ability to attach stuff from outlook into you calendar like appointments and stuff. I dont think theres a way to do that if I use google calendars but not gmail.

    Honestly, im probaly putting too much thought in this. even if I did use outlook.com for everything and other microsoft services and end up not liking it, its not like I cant go back to google. While I do use ios devices, I prefer a desktop PC I think for reasons like PC games and i am just used to how it works. so i think i am always going to have access to a Windows Device even if its not my mobile OS of choice.as far as laptops go, I dunno. Macs are obviously very good laptops, but I also think the surface Pro 3 looks cool. and I assume if I did go with surface pro 3 for a laptop, i could continue using ios just fine for phone and tablet. Hopefully apple continues to let their devices work well with PCs.
    I also think the Surface 3 is the first real replacement for a PC. And it has some really cool killer features I waited for. Maybe if they released it 3 years ago I have chosen that and not a MacBook

    And they can live all together without problems, you just have to setup everything once and then everything works.
    07-22-2014 01:26 AM
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