1. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    Weird...... one would think otherwise. It appears the new Apple TV supports 1080p at best.

    Bummer..
    09-09-2015 05:43 PM
  2. Bigeric23's Avatar
    I guess about as weird as 4K video on a 16GB iPhone.
    09-10-2015 07:48 AM
  3. aballerdotcom's Avatar
    Why am I not surprised?

    That's Apple though.

    Release it then make customers wait for the a new release to get all the options or the options that should of been in the first one and are no longer needed.
    09-11-2015 12:02 AM
  4. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    Most users have 1080p sets currently, the 4K penetration is not there yet. Better to keep the price in check now and wait for demand to build, rather than incur the expense for a feature few could use ...
    09-11-2015 01:09 PM
  5. Art H's Avatar
    I'm sorry but thats not good rationale. More and more people have much faster internet connections and 4k televisions have become ubiquitous in the marketplace. They are very cheap at this point. The content is there already, and growing daily. Have you seen Amazons latest release??? It just doesn't make sense for Apple to release this Apple TV sans 4K, meanwhile the phones record and can edit 4k videos. I think Apple is hiding something from us at this moment. I'll be a monkeys uncle if I am buying an Apple TV without 4K in 2016.
    09-18-2015 12:40 AM
  6. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    So don't buy one then. Sounds like Amazons Fire TV is a better fit ...
    Last edited by Not Quite Right; 09-19-2015 at 09:27 AM.
    09-18-2015 01:28 AM
  7. Derrick4Real's Avatar
    it's strange and not exactly uniform but as a consumer 4k is not on my list of conditions at all so it's not a big deal to me. Apple tv has never really been for me because i need a device who's primary job is playing my own content off an attached usb hard drive full of movies and music of varying codecs (at the moment until i can reencode some of it). As opposed to buying content from itunes. But 4K just isn't a condition. Largely because i got a 1080i tv also and when i upgrade i'm unlikely to pay extra for 4k. More hdmi ports? yeah i'd pay extra though.
    09-18-2015 01:49 AM
  8. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    I am perplexed at the lack of 4k. Usually Apple is at the forefront of technology. USB-C, 802.11ac BT4.0 etc etc

    Based on Apple's AppleTV refresh cycle, not saying that it wont change, 4k will be common well before the next AppleTV is released.

    To me, that is very un-Appleish.

    I think Art is on to something. I wouldnt be surprised if the new unit is capable of 4k, its just not enabled.
    09-23-2015 01:15 PM
  9. mphillips828's Avatar
    I'm sorry but thats not good rationale. More and more people have much faster internet connections and 4k televisions have become ubiquitous in the marketplace. They are very cheap at this point. The content is there already, and growing daily. Have you seen Amazons latest release??? It just doesn't make sense for Apple to release this Apple TV sans 4K, meanwhile the phones record and can edit 4k videos. I think Apple is hiding something from us at this moment. I'll be a monkeys uncle if I am buying an Apple TV without 4K in 2016.
    Just checked out bestbuy and the cheapest 4K offering for a tv is: $829.99 for a 43" vizio. That's in Canada. And that's not cheap and people would be much more inclined to spend that same amount of money to get a 1080P tv that's like 60". Get a lot more bang for your buck not getting 4K at this point in time in the consumer market. 4K is awesome but it's not there yet in the general population.
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    09-23-2015 08:58 PM
  10. SprSynJn's Avatar
    Most users have 1080p sets currently, the 4K penetration is not there yet. Better to keep the price in check now and wait for demand to build, rather than incur the expense for a feature few could use ...
    Why do you suppose they are offering it on the new iPhone then?
    09-23-2015 10:35 PM
  11. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    Why do you suppose they are offering it on the new iPhone then?
    Keeping up with the Joneses ... Plain and simple.
    Next year this time we'll all be talking about who's upgrading to the AppleTV S with 4k support, a faster processor, support for tvOS 2, and more storage space ...
    What are you guys new to Apple products, or something? ...
    09-24-2015 12:58 PM
  12. Art H's Avatar
    Just checked out bestbuy and the cheapest 4K offering for a tv is: $829.99 for a 43" vizio. That's in Canada. And that's not cheap and people would be much more inclined to spend that same amount of money to get a 1080P tv that's like 60". Get a lot more bang for your buck not getting 4K at this point in time in the consumer market. 4K is awesome but it's not there yet in the general population.
    I was under the impression that size doesn't matter..... It's the motion of the ocean........
    09-24-2015 09:23 PM
  13. mphillips828's Avatar
    I was under the impression that size doesn't matter..... It's the motion of the ocean........
    Size always matters. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
    09-24-2015 09:55 PM
  14. SprSynJn's Avatar
    What are you guys new to Apple products, or something? ...
    No, just wanted to hear your reason as to why they would offer it on one device, but not the other. Personally I've never given it much thought. Whenever they bring it out is when I wonder whether or not it's needed.
    09-25-2015 03:21 AM
  15. mphillips828's Avatar
    No, just wanted to hear your reason as to why they would offer it on one device, but not the other. Personally I've never given it much thought. Whenever they bring it out is when I wonder whether or not it's needed.
    I really think Apple has thought about this. To make the Apple TV play 4K they would have had to increase the base price point by probably a decent amount. Enough to make the base model seem too expensive for the general consumer. And the cons outweigh the benefits. Basically you get the ability to output 4K yet the only thing most people would have to take 4K video is the new iPhone. All tv and movies now aren't 4K so that wouldn't affect anything.

    Now if they did it they would have to increase the base price point and people like myself wouldn't justify spending that much more for a resolution that isn't main stream yet.

    Also if they included 4K it would only benefit those using a 4K TV which lets face it, most people don't have yet and won't for a few more years.

    Finally it also only benefits those with the newest iPhones. For the vast majority of people who aren't buying the new iPhones the 4K doesn't even matter.

    Not much benefit to including 4K this time around. In an update in 2 years it may make more sense. Until I think Apple research sees that the majority of TVs being purchased are 4K compatible, they won't have much reason to provide that in their offerings.

    Apple will never be the top of the specs race and this shouldn't surprise us ever.
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    09-25-2015 01:37 PM
  16. MCube74's Avatar
    Apple will probably release 4th Gen Rev A next year. Just like they did with the 3rd Gen.
    10-31-2015 09:32 PM
  17. cwaffles's Avatar
    I though Apple said from the get go that the Apple TV would not do 4K video. In all honesty it makes perfect sense to me. We have a 4K TV and honestly, there still not a bunch of 4K videos out there on Nextflix, etc. Not sure how many folks have 4K TV's but FAR more people have TV's that can do 1080P. A 4K Apple TV would cater to a very limited audience right now.
    10-31-2015 11:25 PM
  18. marcobrien's Avatar
    The hardware has been checked & it fully supports 4K. I just think they'll enable it in a future tvOS update. I reckon they're waiting for all the 4K specs & protocols to be finalised as at the moment, I think it's still not been fully agreed by all the 4K manufacturers.

    Keeping my fingers crossed. Don't want to be upgrading my Apple TV every year like I do with my iPhone & iPad.
    10-31-2015 11:52 PM
  19. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    My understanding is the 4k is not for everyone. It's mostly for professionals. You don't want to use it a lot anyway. It takes a LOT of space. 720p is best for most everyday videos. Even 1080p takes a lot of space. I took 5 four minute videos with 1080p. They took up about 3 gb of space on my 6s Plus. I uploaded them to YouTube. I'm using 720p from now on unless it's wedding videos or some such.
    11-01-2015 12:05 AM
  20. wdfly's Avatar
    Most users have 1080p sets currently, the 4K penetration is not there yet. Better to keep the price in check now and wait for demand to build, rather than incur the expense for a feature few could use ...
    "Yet" is the only important part of your post. In less than 2 years it will be the norm and Apple will refresh the Apple TV with 4K enabled and we will buy new boxes all over again and that was their plan all along.
    11-01-2015 09:47 AM
  21. tigerinexile's Avatar
    Of course it'd be better if the box supported 4K.

    Maybe it'll be enabled in a software/firmware update, maybe we'll all have to buy new ones in a couple of years.

    Apple usually lags behind the cutting edge in specs to see where the market is going.
    11-01-2015 12:06 PM
  22. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    Originally Posted by Not Quite Right
    Most users have 1080p sets currently, the 4K penetration is not there yet. Better to keep the price in check now and wait for demand to build, rather than incur the expense for a feature few could use ...
    "Yet" is the only important part of your post. In less than 2 years it will be the norm and Apple will refresh the Apple TV with 4K enabled and we will buy new boxes all over again and that was their plan all along.
    I think you should've quote both of my posts ...


    Originally Posted by SprSynJn
    Why do you suppose they are offering it on the new iPhone then?
    Keeping up with the Joneses ... Plain and simple.
    Next year this time we'll all be talking about who's upgrading to the AppleTV S with 4k support, a faster processor, support for tvOS 2, and more storage space ...
    What are you guys new to Apple products, or something? ...
    11-02-2015 12:04 PM
  23. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I've been thinking this 4k biz over a bit. It seems you're all expecting way too much of this. Not only is there nothing to play 4k video on, but even if you could, you wouldn't be able to tell much difference between it and 1080p HD. Not on a small screen. Don't let yourselves get taken in by those magical ads Apple puts out. It ain't like that. If you have a 60" 4k TV, you might see the difference. But at what cost? It requires enormous bandwidth to stream, and requires costly new backend infrastructure to broadcast. Then there's the huge amount of storage space it requires. LOL And Y'all want this?
    The truth is that 4K is a technical spec with more implications for cable companies than everyday consumers. 4K will not make your crappy home videos look much better than they do. On my iPhone 6s Plus, I'll stick with 720p HD. It looks pretty good to me.
    11-02-2015 04:12 PM

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