BreakingKayfabe
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Did I not just say we were doing drone strikes? Ineffective ones at that.
Now I know you're pulling my leg because you keep making points and then contradicting your point.
Did I not just say we were doing drone strikes? Ineffective ones at that.
ISIS and Al Queda operatives that we were torturing are related in some way?No imminent threat? Tell that to the family of this man. Water boarding is heinous? Tell that to the family of this man!
http://nypost.com/2014/12/11/isis-wants-1m-for-james-foleys-headless-body/
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But I already said that, you just skipped over it. That is your fault not mine.Now I know you're pulling my leg because you keep making points and then contradicting your point.
I've always maintained that I want to be shown when the US captured an aid worker or journalist from a country where the terrorist groups originate, then tortured them to get information. The US has done some pretty gnarly things to captured terrorists, but when have they EVER tortured someone on the level of the people who groups like ISIS have been beheading?
These terrorist groups don't care who they kill because they are not doing it out of revenge...they are doing it to garner attention, and killing a solider, unfortunately, doesn't carry with it the same kind of attention that beheading an aid worker, or a journalist or an innocent bystander in a building with a plane.
We torture terrorists for answers...they behead innocent people for attention. In the end, there is no winning this "war" on terrorism because they simply exist...they aren't an entity we can go fight and beat and then call it a "win", they are ideas, histories and religious commands that will always be followed.
ISIS and Al Queda operatives that we were torturing are related in some way?
ISIS and Al Queda operatives that we were torturing are related in some way?
They are two different groups. If ISIS beheads someone, that is ISIS, Al Queda wasn't known for brutality. We can't justify Al Queda torture to go against ISIS, that makes zero sense.Most likely. Either way, they do the same thing.
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They are two different groups. If ISIS beheads someone, that is ISIS, Al Queda wasn't known for brutality. We can't justify Al Queda torture to go against ISIS, that makes zero sense.
Yes it is sad someone was killed by ISIS, but killing a few americans isn't justifiable to jump into another war. Especially since we have domestic issues that need to be sorted and people getting slaughtered in our backyard (Mexico).
We can't pick and choose just because they are middle eastern. It's either handle the Mexico cartels and domestic issues like Net Neutrality, and healthcare and welfare. Or we divert resources and attention to start another war in the middle east.
Al Queda has done their share of beheadings. You sure are misinformed about a lot of things. And you make a lot if assumptions. Al Queda was responsible for the beheading of Daniel Pearl and many others. They have recently tried to improve their image by denouncing the ISIS beheadings. Or so Al Queda leader, Nasr bin Ali al-Ansi, says. Like we're supposed to buy into that. Go sit around a desert campfire and sing Kumbayah with a camel breathing down my neck. Nope! What they do is real torture. And they do it mostly to their own. And any Christians they can round up. There's a huge difference in the techniques the US used and real torture committed by those desert barbarians. But you go ahead and believe what you will. I'll leave it at that.
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And no, I never freaking said Al Queda didn't do beheadings that is twisting my words which you and others do constantly. I am saying Al Queda isn't known for public brutality like ISIS. I mean ISIS whole shtick is using social media and putting out beheading videos. That is something Al Queda didn't do.
U.S. used horrible torture techniques period, point blank.
Let's clarify one thing here...al QAEDA, lol.
Secondly...your exact words were "Al Queda wasn't known for brutality"...so I know I for one wasn't twisting your words around at all. Al Qaeda was known for the exact same brutal and violent methods that ISIS is, and mainly because the same people in ISIS were leaders in al qaeda as well, so the methods would be some what linear. Al qaeda used to stop caravans of supply runners in Iraq, drag the drivers out of the cars, line them up...some of them are hacked to death, others are shot to death and then all of them along with their trucks were set on fire (many of the trucks being filled with food and water for various villages). They would then air this on television and put it online in their various networks.
They were JUST as violent as ISIS, JUST as brutal...and did it for attention in the same way by putting it in the public eye. The only difference we really have right now is that ISIS is doing more in the spotlight. I hate to say it, but I truly think al qaeda is back building while ISIS takes so much attention away.
You'll have to forgive me, but I wasn't aware there were "nice" torture techniques. Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it? Torture is supposed to be shocking and despicable, otherwise we'd just call it intense interrogation.
When I think of Al Qaeda, I don't think of nor remember anything like ISIS is doing. Though I do agree with the world attention on ISIS, Al Qaeda can have something going on behind the scenes. I hope the govt is still keeping eyes on then.
That's what it is! It doesn't actually do physical harm. Does it make them uncomfortable? Yes! It's supposed to. You've apparently never watched a video of a beheading. I'm talking the whole thing from beginning to end. I have. I wish I had not. But having seen what those sand barbarians do, I would hope our people would do anything necessary to save our own. If that includes water boarding, which does absolutely no harm, then so be it.Lol, what is funny is there have been people who have been calling it enhanced interrogation all week.
Doesn't do physical harm? You are kidding right?That's what it is! It doesn't actually do physical harm. Does it make them uncomfortable? Yes! It's supposed to. You've apparently never watched a video of a beheading. I'm talking the whole thing from beginning to end. I have. I wish I had not. But having seen what those sand barbarians do, I would hope our people would do anything necessary to save our own. If that includes water boarding, which does absolutely no harm, then so be it.
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Doesn't do physical harm? You are kidding right?
No, it does not. It's just an uncomfortable feeling. What physical harm is done? Many who have administered it have had it done to them so they would know what it's like.
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