1. Scatabrain's Avatar
    You guys are scary.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    12-13-2014 08:25 PM
  2. Les74's Avatar
    I'm just saying that the government and society don't care about what the bible says.

    Sent from my iPhone 6 using Tapatalk
    And rightfully so.
    Scatabrain likes this.
    12-13-2014 08:58 PM
  3. HankAZ's Avatar
    Not quite true. It will take away future anger.
    No it wont. Those people are wired to hate us and to come after us relentlessly. Our "playing nice" will have zero effect on them, their attitudes and their future behavior towards "us".
    12-13-2014 11:35 PM
  4. HankAZ's Avatar
    You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Mt 5:38–39, NRSV)
    Scary thought: leftist liberals quoting Scripture.
    calebt and hydrogen3 like this.
    12-13-2014 11:42 PM
  5. HankAZ's Avatar
    And rightfully so.
    Regardless of whether this is true or not, it is, as TechEater has pointed out, a bit too convenient to pick and choose the parts of the book you want to believe. You can rip the page out of the book, but it doesn’t change the fact that the book states it.
    12-13-2014 11:53 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    And please point me to where in the New Testament it says torture is okay.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Interesting bit of info that I learned today...might interest you to read as well...

    Now we’ll consider the use of torture in relation to governmental policy. We know that God has appointed civil governments and charged them with maintaining justice in this world (Romans 13:1-5). “For [the ruler] is God's servant to do you good . . . an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer” (verse 4). Elsewhere, God calls judges and magistrates “gods”; that is, their authority to provide justice comes from God Himself (Psalm 82:1-4). If they fail in their duty, they will themselves be judged by the Lord, the Judge of all (verses 7-8).

    So government bears the responsibility to protect the good and punish the evil. What methods may it employ in carrying out that responsibility? Beyond the endorsement of capital punishment (Romans 13:4; Genesis 9:6), the Bible does not say. The Bible neither condemns nor condones a government’s use of torture.

    Read more: What does the Bible say about torture?
    the_tech_eater likes this.
    12-14-2014 12:10 AM
  7. acadia11's Avatar
    Since when does our government adhere to the bible, let alone society. Are you kidding me? Point me to where the New Testament says abortion or homosexuality is ok. Our government and society don't give a rip what the bible says. And I thought you from the left are trying to free the government and our public education system from religion?
    I don't want to start a debate about those two hot topics. I'm just saying that the government and society don't care about what the bible says.

    Sent from my iPhone 6 using Tapatalk
    And a good thing for that. I've always preferred to adhere to what the Greek gods say! This is a much more rational way to governance.
    12-14-2014 06:53 AM
  8. calebt's Avatar
    You guys are scary.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Scary, what’s more scary is a person who will let their family members die and not be for trying to do anything about it but talk.


    " Originally Posted by pappy53"
    So, if your family was in terrorists' hands, and torture was the ONLY method for safe recovery, you are saying that you would let them die? Wow!


    Yes.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Last edited by calebt; 12-14-2014 at 07:23 AM.
    12-14-2014 07:12 AM
  9. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Interesting bit of info that I learned today...might interest you to read as well...
    That's exactly what I was going to bring up if they kept bringing the bible up!


    Sent from my iPhone 6 using Tapatalk
    12-14-2014 08:19 AM
  10. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Interesting bit of info that I learned today...might interest you to read as well...
    That editorial you linked to isn't scripture. How do you reconcile: "In every case, we see that the godly are the victims of torture, never the perpetrators of torture." With the authors conclusions that a government isn't prohibited from using torture in God's name?

    I read the author's justification and it is exactly the same B.S that radicals use to justify themselves.

    I'm sorry but you think you know me but you don't. And if you think Jesus would approve torture you need to take a hard look at what you believe and what His teachings are about.



    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    12-14-2014 09:50 AM
  11. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Scary, whats more scary is a person who will let their family members die and not be for trying to do anything about it but talk.


    " Originally Posted by pappy53"
    So, if your family was in terrorists' hands, and torture was the ONLY method for safe recovery, you are saying that you would let them die? Wow!
    Thats what having principles is all about.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    12-14-2014 09:52 AM
  12. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Interesting bit of info that I learned today...might interest you to read as well...
    The ease at which that author was able to justify war in His name should give you all pause. That's radicalism.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    12-14-2014 10:03 AM
  13. Les74's Avatar
    Regardless of whether this is true or not, it is, as TechEater has pointed out, a bit too convenient to pick and choose the parts of the book you want to believe. You can rip the page out of the book, but it doesnt change the fact that the book states it.
    That's understandable and I can't...and don't want to...argue that point. Not to take the subject really off topic, but my point was just a general statement that government shouldn't adhere to what the "good book" says.....even though it's pretty much already going on....sadly.
    A895 likes this.
    12-14-2014 10:14 AM
  14. calebt's Avatar
    Thats what having principles is all about.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    Okay I can accept that. I have principles too and I’m glad during the two world wars the right sets of principles were followed. Oh yea and we all know how it ended for Jesus. I’ll let God be the judge of me in the end, whether I lived my life right or wrong. If I have to spend a little time in purgatory for what I believe in so be it. With that I’ll leave religion out of it from now on.
    Scatabrain likes this.
    12-14-2014 10:22 AM
  15. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Cafeteria Christians have eternal Damnation...you can not pick and choose sections. If your A Christian, your a Christian and believe in the entire Bible. Atheist pick and choose. For the record Old testament is the word of the lord...

    Eye for an eye. Doing right ain't got no end.
    12-14-2014 10:57 AM
  16. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Cafeteria Christians have eternal Damnation...you can not pick and choose sections. If your A Christian, you believe in the entire Bible. Atheist pick and choose. For the record Old testament is the word of the lord..
    Your terminology isn't even correct. Too many things wrong here. Not even going to bother.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Les74 and A895 like this.
    12-14-2014 10:58 AM
  17. hydrogen3's Avatar
    The ease at which that author was able to justify war in His name should give you all pause. That's radicalism.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Name one war that has not been fought in "His" name.
    12-14-2014 11:02 AM
  18. pappy53's Avatar
    Cafeteria Christians have eternal Damnation.
    You are way off base here...The saved people do not have eternal damnation.


    For the record Old testament is the word of the lord..
    The entire Bible is the word of the Lord.
    12-14-2014 11:04 AM
  19. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Name one war that has not been fought in "His" name.
    All of them are. Thats the problem. Jesus says peace. Man says war and invokes His name.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    12-14-2014 11:05 AM
  20. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Having a strong defense is great. Banding together with others to stop oppression is great. War for oil is bad. Torture is bad.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    12-14-2014 11:07 AM
  21. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Being an example for others and caring for others when we can and remembering our values throughout will prevail.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    12-14-2014 11:09 AM
  22. hydrogen3's Avatar
    All of them are. Thats the problem. Jesus says peace. Man says war and invokes His name.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Are you refereeing to the new testament?
    12-14-2014 11:11 AM
  23. pappy53's Avatar
    I would say that it was torture when God killed the firstborn of the Pharaoh and his people.
    12-14-2014 11:16 AM
  24. hydrogen3's Avatar
    You are way off base here...The saved people do not have eternal damnation.




    The entire Bible is the word of the Lord.
    You have no salvation when you pick and choose sections for convenience...the very reason why discussing religion is pointless. Gay marriage is OK but torture is not. Please .

    Yes you must be in Gods favor...
    12-14-2014 11:17 AM
  25. pappy53's Avatar
    You have no salvation when you pick and choose sections for convenience...the very reason why discussing religion is pointless. Gay marriage is OK but torture is not. Please .

    Yes you must be in Gods favor...
    Gay marriage is not OK, in His eyes. But that's a topic for another day.
    You have salvation when you ask the Lord to come into your heart and life, and ask for His forgiveness.

    But, that's all that I am saying about this, as this thread doesn't need to take a religious turn.
    12-14-2014 11:22 AM
351 ... 89101112 ...

Similar Threads

  1. How do I keep my music on my phone, iPad?
    By iMore Question in forum Ask a Question
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-10-2014, 08:03 PM
  2. What do you call the red circle on your folder of apps?
    By iMore Question in forum Ask a Question
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-10-2014, 12:40 PM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-10-2014, 11:12 AM
  4. How do I get voice directions for maps on iPad4 with iOS8?
    By iMore Question in forum Ask a Question
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-10-2014, 10:08 AM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-10-2014, 09:51 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD