1. John Yester's Avatar
    The iPhone 7 keeps the 12-megapixel camera, but adds a larger aperture. Along with optical image stabilization that keeps images steadier. But the iPhone 7 Plus gets a second, 56mm telephoto lens w/ built-in zoom feature. I can't wait to see what I can do with this thing!!!!

    mikezmac likes this.
    09-07-2016 02:43 PM
  2. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Before anyone asks, the camera on the 7 Plus isn't optical zoom. It's a dual-camera system that switches from one camera to the other. Other than that, I think it's going to be a really great camera.
    09-07-2016 02:50 PM
  3. mfldmike's Avatar
    It's 2x optical zoom
    09-07-2016 04:03 PM
  4. fiya_lance's Avatar
    It's going to be great can't wait to get my hands on one
    09-07-2016 05:40 PM
  5. erwaso's Avatar
    Before anyone asks, the camera on the 7 Plus isn't optical zoom. It's a dual-camera system that switches from one camera to the other. Other than that, I think it's going to be a really great camera.
    It's 2x optical zoom
    What?
    09-07-2016 08:43 PM
  6. Tartarus's Avatar
    Yes, it's 2x optical zoom. The fact they're using the second, wide angle, camera doesn't change that fact. However, more than 2x zoom will be software zoom.
    mikezmac likes this.
    09-07-2016 08:47 PM
  7. MonkeyJunky's Avatar
    It's 2x mechanized optical zoom and then the rest is handled like it has been for years with software zoom (which has, over the years, proven to be an almost useless feature in regards to legitimate photography standards as it works so inefficiently and renders the photos so terribly after the software has zoomed in even at a moderate range).
    09-07-2016 09:51 PM
  8. afctee's Avatar
    ...with all this camera talk, it sounds like soon I won't need my Nikon D5000!
    TVTechGrl and Highrisedrifter like this.
    09-08-2016 09:44 AM
  9. John Yester's Avatar
    Based on the specs and the photos shown. I am in the same boat. Amazing tech in the camera setup.
    09-08-2016 10:12 AM
  10. kataran's Avatar
    The Camera is awesome and worth the upgrade for pic lovers
    09-08-2016 10:54 AM
  11. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    The iPhone was always capable of decent photos, I'm excited to see what I can do with the 7 Plus cameras. For example, I touched this one up a bit last night, taken with a 6S.

    09-08-2016 12:41 PM
  12. dchandler's Avatar
    The iPhone was always capable of decent photos, I'm excited to see what I can do with the 7 Plus cameras. For example, I touched this one up a bit last night, taken with a 6S.

    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...6e895b4f90.jpg
    This looks beautiful.
    PDXMatt likes this.
    09-08-2016 12:53 PM
  13. flyinion's Avatar
    ...with all this camera talk, it sounds like soon I won't need my Nikon D5000!
    Depends on what you plan to do with your pics. Internet posting? Sure, they'll look fine. Want to print them, especially on larger paper? You'll still want that D5000 with the much larger sensor in it.
    afctee likes this.
    09-08-2016 12:55 PM
  14. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    It's 2x optical zoom
    It's not optical zoom, it switches cameras. That is why it goes straight from 1x to 2x and there is no in-between, while there are fractions between 2x and 6x, for example. There is no in between, because the phone doesn't zoom at all on the main camera of the 7 Plus. It throws you immediately to a different camera, which, due to the design of the lens, has a naturally "zoomed in" view.

    That's not optical zoom. It's simply camera switching. Any phone with two cameras can do that, and anyone with a camera and multiple lenses can do that by simply switching to a longer lens ;-)

    There are phones with real optical zoom, like those Galaxy S Zoom devices Samsung released in the past, but I don't think that's something most people would want to carry around :-P

    Honestly, I'd rather a much larger single sensor and algorithms for pixel bundling, etc. to produce higher quality photos, similar to what Nokia did on PureView Phone. Also, better microphones and sound for video.

    ---

    And that picture linked a few posts after this one looks absolutely awful and unnatural.

    But I guess that's why Samsung cameras phones are considered "tops" now. People really do seem to prefer oversaturated, unnatural smartphone photos. They'll even take photos from a camera that produces more "natural" tones and make them look like they were shot with a defective Galaxy S7.
    dstrauss likes this.
    09-08-2016 01:57 PM
  15. afctee's Avatar
    Good point. I was merely messing around, too

    Depends on what you plan to do with your pics. Internet posting? Sure, they'll look fine. Want to print them, especially on larger paper? You'll still want that D5000 with the much larger sensor in it.
    09-08-2016 02:05 PM
  16. MonkeyJunky's Avatar
    It's not optical zoom, it switches cameras.
    Actually, by definition it is specifically optical zoom, because it is using optics to achieve such. It doesn't matter which lens does it or whether either of them are moving, if it's using optics to achieve it, it is most certainly optical zoom via telephoto lens.
    Tartarus and zog1977 like this.
    09-08-2016 02:13 PM
  17. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Actually, by definition it is specifically optical zoom, because it is using optics to achieve such. It doesn't matter which lens does it or whether either of them are moving, if it's using optics to achieve it, it is most certainly optical zoom via telephoto lens.
    No. Lol

    You have no idea what you're talking about, frankly.
    BreakingKayfabe likes this.
    09-08-2016 02:28 PM
  18. erwaso's Avatar
    This is from CNET camera review.

    "Optical zoom

    Apple is a bit confusing on this point; it doesn't claim "2x optical zoom", and instead the specs are worded "optical zoom*at*2x" which is a subtlety lost on many people. I suppose technically the system could be construed as optical zoom: you have a lens for 28mm and a lens for 56mm, so you're getting two different magnifications using lenses. (And the*LG G5*got here first.) But "zoom" implies you get get from one to the other with stops in between; the only reason "zoom" may make sense in this context is because 56mm*is*the next step up from 28mm.

    If the second camera had a 70mm lens, for instance, the jump from 28mm to 70mm wouldn't practically be optical zoom. In practice, it's bi-focal length. Multiple-camera systems can sometimes zoom between the two focal lengths computationally, but Apple's simply switching from one camera to the other with a tap and calling them 1x and 2x. TheHasselblad True Zoom Moto Mod for the Moto Z*is a true optical zoom solution, for example. Past 2x it will do 10x digital zoom, and you might get slightly better results than you do now with a wide-angle lens because you're starting with optical magnification on the 56mm camera."
    09-08-2016 02:38 PM
  19. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Actually, by definition it is specifically optical zoom, because it is using optics to achieve such. It doesn't matter which lens does it or whether either of them are moving, if it's using optics to achieve it, it is most certainly optical zoom via telephoto lens.
    Optical zoom changes the magnification of images with the actual optical glass before the images reach the imaging sensor.
    It's optical zoom if it remains on the same lens. All you're doing is switching to a different lens that's already established for a certain type of image.
    09-08-2016 02:42 PM
  20. MonkeyJunky's Avatar
    No. Lol

    You have no idea what you're talking about, frankly.
    Revisiting your own post above, does the iPhone 7 Plus not use a two lens system? One being a wide angle, and one being a telephoto lens? A telephoto lens is simply a magnified lens for the purpose of zooming in on objects at a distance with better detail. The secondary camera lens on the iPhone 7 Plus uses a different optical lens to achieve a zoom function of 2x, and the rest is done digitally as they have been using (poorly) for years.

    Does the new iPhone 7 Plus have an adjustable ZOOM lens? No, it does not. It has a lens with a longer focal length to achieve a magnified (zoomed in) photo on a particular subject.

    So feel free to explain how using a magnified optical lens isn't optical zoom again? Because, frankly, you're wrong.
    09-08-2016 02:46 PM
  21. MonkeyJunky's Avatar
    It's optical zoom if it remains on the same lens. All you're doing is switching to a different lens that's already established for a certain type of image.
    It is switching to a telephoto lens which is magnified and stationary for 2x zoom. Optics being used to zoom in. This isn't rocket science guys. Optical zoom is a method of magnifying via lens optics. I think you both are confusing this with the idea of having an adjustable ZOOM LENS, which is a specific type of lens that has an adjustable zoom property.
    09-08-2016 02:48 PM
  22. flyinion's Avatar
    byebye , CanON
    Sorry but no, I'll keep my Canon and collection of good lenses for anything serious. Until they start putting DSLR sized sensors in smartphones, the pictures from a phone can only possibly look good on other phones and maybe the computer screen. Nobody would deny that a DSLR has way better picture capability than a point & shoot camera, this is no different.
    09-08-2016 04:19 PM
  23. mmartinet's Avatar
    Canon and Nikon are going to be around until one or both no longer have professional photographers that trust them. The true photo pro needs high quality glass, big sensors and real zoom. The iPhone 7/+ cameras look great, but there is a reason Phil said Apple is not intending the phone to replace DSLRs
    09-08-2016 04:30 PM
  24. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Revisiting your own post above, does the iPhone 7 Plus not use a two lens system? One being a wide angle, and one being a telephoto lens? A telephoto lens is simply a magnified lens for the purpose of zooming in on objects at a distance with better detail. The secondary camera lens on the iPhone 7 Plus uses a different optical lens to achieve a zoom function of 2x, and the rest is done digitally as they have been using (poorly) for years.

    Does the new iPhone 7 Plus have an adjustable ZOOM lens? No, it does not. It has a lens with a longer focal length to achieve a magnified (zoomed in) photo on a particular subject.

    So feel free to explain how using a magnified optical lens isn't optical zoom again? Because, frankly, you're wrong.
    No. I'm not wrong.

    But I do find it hilarious that you're so fannish that you're going to sit on a forum and argue about it with multiple people.

    Because everyone is wrong but you, right?

    There is no "optical" zoom in this phone. There is only the illusion of optical zoom by jumping for one sensor to another.

    A human being can get almost infinite levels of optical zoom by moving themselves between their location and the subject. This is what Optical Zoom is. It simulates how the human eye would see the subject if the human themselves were to move themselves.

    We do not zoom by switching eyeballs, we zoom by moving close and closer to the subject.

    Cameras accomplish this by changing the focal length. This is why lenses on cameras go in and out of the camera body as you optically zoom. You can zoom to 1X, or 1.2X, or 3.8X, etc. The reason why there is no 1.2x on the iPhone 7+ is because there is no optical zoom - at all. It doesn't zoom between 1.0 and 2.0x. It simply jumps straight to a longer focal length camera sensor to give you the effect of "2x Optical Zoom" when it actually didn't zoom *at all*. It just switched cameras.

    The effect is the same as if you had put your camera in your bag and pulled out another camera.

    Yes, the effect may look like Optical Zoom to you, but it's not optical zoom - at all. It's okay for them to call it that, for the masses to at least try to understand what the effect is. Technically, however, it's not zooming. It's switching cameras. And it's switching to a camera with a completely different configuration than the main camera, as well (different focal length, aperture, etc.).

    I'm not telling you to not be excited about the tech they're introducing in this camera.

    I'm simply telling you that there is no optical zoom on this camera. It only switches lenses and then digitally zooms.

    The end.

    P.S. MonkeyJunky = Fresh account. Maybe I'm just being tr*ll*d?
    Highrisedrifter likes this.
    09-12-2016 12:35 PM
  25. Quis89's Avatar
    And that picture linked a few posts after this one looks absolutely awful and unnatural.

    But I guess that's why Samsung cameras phones are considered "tops" now. People really do seem to prefer oversaturated, unnatural smartphone photos. They'll even take photos from a camera that produces more "natural" tones and make them look like they were shot with a defective Galaxy S7.
    Or simply they prefer photos with colors that jump out at you. There's nothing "awful" about that photo. You just don't like it. Doesn't mean it's a bad picture. We can all agree that it looks unnatural. But I think it's a nice picture, personally.
    Highrisedrifter likes this.
    09-12-2016 12:44 PM
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