1. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I disagree. I doubt there's been enough actual bending to warrant strengthening. Had "Bendgate" (the original video and following hoopla) not occurred, they would not be strengthening the phones. I think they just want to put the issue to rest once and for all.
    You give the weird YouTuber more credit then he deserves IMO.
    08-24-2015 08:41 AM
  2. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    So what are the facts? How many have sold? How many have bent? This info is just not available.
    The fact is that if a significant amount of people brought their device in because the device randomly bent without any negligent treatment or activity leading to such, there would have been a tsunami of reports about it, something likened to what happened when Apple offered the free case program years ago. There was no significant number of randomly bent phones, and Apple handled the people who did claim their phone bent internally, something they would not have been able to do if it was even a moderate level issue.

    The fact is, it was a minor problem...period. Specific number information was not needed. We didn't know specific numbers about the anodized frame issues from the iPhone 4S, but there was enough of a sh*t storm to make it know that it was a common and legitimate problem for a very large number of people. "Bendgate" never even approached that level...because it was a minor problem for a tiny % of consumers who bought the phone, and mostly because there was never a "bendgate", there were just people who bent their phone.
    08-24-2015 11:32 AM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You don't have any idea how many have bent. All we know is some number have. And we may know Apple is possibly reinforcing the cases in the next models.

    Apple historically doesn't cave to things due to press (not that quickly). So my hunch is enough have bent to make it worth it to change the design.
    Apple historically doesn't cave? They were perfectly open and honest when the 4S came out and the frame issues were commonly reported...so much so that they issued the free case program almost immediately after the device was released for sale. Apple historically protects their top tier customer satisfaction rating by making sure their customers are satisfied and are open about problems they encounter with hardware AND software...and by supporting the customer when one of these things happens.

    Bent iPhones were a problem for a tiny %...so no response was necessary.
    08-24-2015 11:34 AM
  4. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Fixing a defect is not caving. You prove my point with your example.

    I'll just wait for those facts. Or not because there are no public facts on numbers of bent phones.

    The poster above had 2, and Apple publicly admitted 9, plus the youtuber = 12.

    You can believe it's small but I believe based on anecdotes and due to Apple replacing hardware outside of warranty instead of turning the supposed small number away (as they did at first until they couldn't ignore it - and idiots were successfully bending then out of curiosity) and finally the most telling evidence- they are probably changing the design.

    But that's ok, you keep saying 'the facts are'.

    As God said 'Stop apologizing'. Apple is worthy and able to improve. It's okay.
    08-24-2015 12:11 PM
  5. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    As god said 'Stop apologizing'. Apple is worthy and able to improve. It's okay.
    Who is saying that Apple isn't here? He just brought up the the case program for the iPhone 4

    What do you want to be said? That the new alleged housing for the 6S is Apple's answer to all the bending? All we have seen is anecdote after anecdote regarding this minor issue. Even if there have been 2 million replacements due to bending, no matter how the device was bent, it's still a very small and minor issue. I know there are reputable people here who say they have had the issue, but it still doesn't mean it's some major issue.

    To me, if this is indeed the new housing for the 6S and Plus, it's more of an acknowledgement to give people like the hippy in the video less and less content to work with when it comes to this stuff. That would be the reason, to me, at least.
    08-24-2015 01:38 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    But that's ok, you keep saying 'the facts are'.

    As God said 'Stop apologizing'. Apple is worthy and able to improve. It's okay.
    LOL! So you're calling me an Apple apologist now? Because you pretend like what you read online somehow indicates a moderate to significant "problem"...you poor thing. Apple isn't changing the "design", lol...they POSSIBLY (since we have zero actual evidence of such) changed the type of aluminum used in the exact same mold they were using before (again, according to this video that you're investing all of your "facts" in, lol).

    I don't believe it was small, I know it was small...because I have a logical understanding of how numbers work. There are no perfect companies...I've said that about a thousand times on this forum, yet you feel you're "teaching" me something with your snide little comment. You continue to provide comedic relief at the very least.

    And when did they turn people away and "ignore" the problem? You're literally creating non-sensical and FAKE drama to support your opinion on this. Why do that?
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    08-24-2015 02:35 PM
  7. Scatabrain's Avatar
    LOL! So you're calling me an Apple apologist now? Because you pretend like what you read online somehow indicates a moderate to significant "problem"...you poor thing. Apple isn't changing the "design", lol...they POSSIBLY (since we have zero actual evidence of such) changed the type of aluminum used in the exact same mold they were using before (again, according to this video that you're investing all of your "facts" in, lol).

    I don't believe it was small, I know it was small...because I have a logical understanding of how numbers work. There are no perfect companies...I've said that about a thousand times on this forum, yet you feel you're "teaching" me something with your snide little comment. You continue to provide comedic relief at the very least.

    And when did they turn people away and "ignore" the problem? You're literally creating non-sensical and FAKE drama to support your opinion on this. Why do that?
    It is significant enough that they are redesigning. The idea that a YouTuber causes a very expensive redesign is absurd. You keep saying 'the facts' say there is no issue. Facts are Apple is redesigning. That is massive! It's also fantastic! You just can't seem to accept that maybe there is a flaw worth addressing and blame the significant effort to beef up the case on their want to appease some *****. That is nonsense.
    08-24-2015 03:16 PM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    It is significant enough that they are redesigning. The idea that a YouTuber causes a very expensive redesign is absurd. You keep saying 'the facts' say there is no issue. Facts are Apple is redesigning. That is massive! It's also fantastic! You just can't seem to accept that maybe there is a flaw worth addressing and blame the significant effort to beef up the case on their want to appease some *****. That is nonsense.
    Do you have trouble understanding the definition of the word "redesign"? Because the new iPhones, based on this video you keep clamoring over, are not redesigned at all. They are potentially using a different grade of aluminum...that does not equate to a "redesign", regardless of how many times you mistakingly use the word.

    And please show me where I said there "is no issue"...(I'll give you a hint, it never happened). I said the problem was minor and touched a small % of the consumer base. Do me a favor...if you're going to participate in a debate, at least refrain from putting your own made up words into other people's mouths. My words are there to quote...there's no need for you to make up stuff to try and make my posts seem trivial or irrelevant.

    Lastly, to further disprove your 'theory'...Apple changed the aluminum grade between EVERY iPhone that was made. 4 to 4S to 5 to 5S to 6...and then now, with the new variant. I know it's fun for you to assign this glamorous story and theory to their decision to change the grade of aluminum...but given they've done it so many time historically with no relevance to a "bending issue", I think you're just buying into this "bendgate" mumbo jumbo.
    08-24-2015 06:53 PM
  9. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Do you have trouble understanding the definition of the word "redesign"? Because the new iPhones, based on this video you keep clamoring over, are not redesigned at all. They are potentially using a different grade of aluminum...that does not equate to a "redesign", regardless of how many times you mistakingly use the word.

    And please show me where I said there "is no issue"...(I'll give you a hint, it never happened). I said the problem was minor and touched a small % of the consumer base. Do me a favor...if you're going to participate in a debate, at least refrain from putting your own made up words into other people's mouths. My words are there to quote...there's no need for you to make up stuff to try and make my posts seem trivial or irrelevant.

    Lastly, to further disprove your 'theory'...Apple changed the aluminum grade between EVERY iPhone that was made. 4 to 4S to 5 to 5S to 6...and then now, with the new variant. I know it's fun for you to assign this glamorous story and theory to their decision to change the grade of aluminum...but given they've done it so many time historically with no relevance to a "bending issue", I think you're just buying into this "bendgate" mumbo jumbo.
    We agree that they iterate (improve) all the time. You contend that anything mentioning that that the 6 and 6+ is susceptible to bending is false. Well then why iterate? For fun? No. The 6000 aluminum was a choice in a cheap grade aluminum. It's going to be a big cost change. .2mm thicker, a big upgrade in aluminum quality - that's easily a rethinking - redesign (you love to parse words). It's great that they are doing it. It doesn't give credence to haters. It just means where there was smoke, there was a little fire. And Apple is dealing with it in the most excellent way that they can. You can live in your perfect vision, Apple does no wrong - I actually don't think they did anything wrong with 6(+) but Apple certainly feels they can do better and they are. As they always do.

    The ***** YouTuber really redeemed himself with the follow up IMO. He dug deeper and really did his homework. You can ignore it if you like but we all benefit from the new shells. I think it's fantastic. And really appreciated Led posting this. Your completed one sided loud opinions derailing discussion aside - this was a very cool topic.
    08-24-2015 07:35 PM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You continue to put words in my mouth that I never said...your argument is so weak that it is the only way you can draw attention to your posts. I never once said (and have never said) that Apple can "do no wrong"...in fact, quite the contrary...I've pointed out numerous times things that Apple has done that, at least to me, were less than par, and worse. You ignore this because right now, you're trying to paint me in the light of a total Apple apologist because it's the only way your posts hold clout. In other words, you've got no basis for your argument without spewing BS.

    And then there's the comment about my contention that anything mentioning the 6 and 6+ bending are false. Again...more of your signature hogwash here in this thread. I never contended anything of the sort...what I said specifically was that anything regarding BENDGATE (you know, the term so eloquently applied to this whole ordeal) was overblown, and that there was no serious or widespread bending issue, there was a small group of people who encountered bent iPhones, most of which were caused by their own doing...the others were fluke issues with a minuscule % of devices...so small that Apple never officially addressed it.

    Want to see what it looks like when Apple sees a moderate amount of issues with one of their devices? Here you go...

    Apple will fix iPhone 6 Plus phones that take blurry photos - Aug. 23, 2015

    ...go figure, an official statement from Apple and a process of rectification.

    Regarding that Youtuber...the guy you keep praising...you can buy into his videos all you want, we've had discussion after discussion after discussion about him and his "reviews" here on this site, and the consensus seems to agree with me (not that I needed it to to hold my opinion, but just to point it out to you).

    Lastly, how did my opinions derail this discussion? Are we not still discussing the iPhone bending issue? That was the core of the post...are you having a comprehension problem as well?
    08-24-2015 08:09 PM
  11. Scatabrain's Avatar
    You continue to put words in my mouth that I never said...your argument is so weak that it is the only way you can draw attention to your posts. I never once said (and have never said) that Apple can "do no wrong"...in fact, quite the contrary...I've pointed out numerous times things that Apple has done that, at least to me, were less than par, and worse. You ignore this because right now, you're trying to paint me in the light of a total Apple apologist because it's the only way your posts hold clout. In other words, you've got no basis for your argument without spewing BS.

    And then there's the comment about my contention that anything mentioning the 6 and 6+ bending are false. Again...more of your signature hogwash here in this thread. I never contended anything of the sort...what I said specifically was that anything regarding BENDGATE (you know, the term so eloquently applied to this whole ordeal) was overblown, and that there was no serious or widespread bending issue, there was a small group of people who encountered bent iPhones, most of which were caused by their own doing...the others were fluke issues with a minuscule % of devices...so small that Apple never officially addressed it.

    Want to see what it looks like when Apple sees a moderate amount of issues with one of their devices? Here you go...

    Apple will fix iPhone 6 Plus phones that take blurry photos - Aug. 23, 2015

    ...go figure, an official statement from Apple and a process of rectification.

    Regarding that Youtuber...the guy you keep praising...you can buy into his videos all you want, we've had discussion after discussion after discussion about him and his "reviews" here on this site, and the consensus seems to agree with me (not that I needed it to to hold my opinion, but just to point it out to you).

    And how did my opinions derail this discussion? Are we not still discussing the iPhone bending issue? That was the core of the post...are you having a comprehension problem as well?
    You are the most off topic - you parse words, you call names, you speak in absolutes - and clearly feel you are the police of anything you perceive as anti apple.

    Please ignore my posts and I will ignore yours. Otherwise everyone suffers.
    08-24-2015 08:14 PM
  12. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You are the most off topic - you parse words, you call names, you speak in absolutes - and clearly feel you are the police of anything you perceive as anti apple.

    Please ignore my posts and I will ignore yours. Otherwise everyone suffers.


    You simply can't keep up...it's ok to throw in the towel (which is what you're essentially doing), but don't try and blame it on non-sensical reasonings. Nobody called you a name, my posts were totally on topic and I don't parse words, I simply reflect their actual meaning when they are being misused (like you did, several times). I'm not policing...I'm having a debate...one that is apparently too hot for you to handle.

    If you want to continue to make this personal, don't let the door hit ya as you exit. If you want to continue discussing this like an adult and attempt to have some dialogue here, by all means. So far what you've brought to the table is "I don't agree..." and then a bunch of made up "quotes" which you still haven't addressed.

    I'll be here.
    08-24-2015 08:33 PM
  13. chrisforpm's Avatar
    Bendgate was absolutely ridiculous. The fact that it was even news still baffles me. Every product has an acceptable rate of failure, there is no 100% perfect. Even though i don't have numbers, I'd suspect the iPhone met the acceptable rate and probably even exceeded it. Apple reinforcing the new iPhone is to protect themselves from this garbage come next month's release. Although I'm sure someone will bend it under immense pressure and we'll go through this again.
    08-24-2015 08:53 PM
  14. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Bendgate was absolutely ridiculous. The fact that it was even news still baffles me. Every product has an acceptable rate of failure, there is no 100% perfect. Even though i don't have numbers, I'd suspect the iPhone met the acceptable rate and probably even exceeded it. Apple reinforcing the new iPhone is to protect themselves from this garbage come next month's release. Although I'm sure someone will bend it under immense pressure and we'll go through this again.
    Careful, you'll be labeled an Apple apologist.
    08-24-2015 08:58 PM
  15. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Bendgate was absolutely ridiculous. The fact that it was even news still baffles me. Every product has an acceptable rate of failure, there is no 100% perfect. Even though i don't have numbers, I'd suspect the iPhone met the acceptable rate and probably even exceeded it. Apple reinforcing the new iPhone is to protect themselves from this garbage come next month's release. Although I'm sure someone will bend it under immense pressure and we'll go through this again.
    Unfortunately some have bent it with less then obvious abuse. The 'gate' scandal is/was overblown.

    More people own iPhones and use them throughout an active. Most other phones are not long and very thin aluminum. So Apple is first with this form factor and is the first (and best) to deal with it. I did a ton of reading about the materials used after finding this thread. It is pretty universal opinion that if they want to be thin they are better not using the much cheaper 6000. I understand the frustration with the 'gate' stuff but just because your phone didn't bend doesn't mean others haven't. From the reading I have done on this, and Apple's reported actions support that there really is a big enough issue to have to deal with it. It may not affect everyone but it affected enough.
    08-24-2015 09:04 PM
  16. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Careful, you'll be labeled an Apple apologist.
    Yet you were the one "name calling" lol
    08-24-2015 09:29 PM
  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I understand the frustration with the 'gate' stuff but just because your phone didn't bend doesn't mean others haven't.
    Just because you read about people bending their iPhone doesn't mean it affected a significant amount of people.

    From the reading I have done on this, and Apple's reported actions support that there really is a big enough issue to have to deal with it. It may not affect everyone but it affected enough.
    If you really read as much as you're clamoring on about here, you'd have read where Apple has changed aluminum grade between their device phases for years. I never cared about any of this until I started participating in this thread...and I found that information without much effort at all. Interesting that you'd assign such a change to something so controversial when Apple has done this kind of change for years with no relevant controversy related to it.
    08-24-2015 10:15 PM
  18. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    And if you really dig deep, you'll find plenty of all platforms and brands of phones which have bent. But I don't see any others strengthening theirs. Only Apple.
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    08-25-2015 06:04 PM
  19. Scatabrain's Avatar
    All the other phones I've owned were mostly plastic and rubber. They held up over time in a very wide spectrum of very good to very bad. None bent.

    The bigger new screen sizes, ultra-thinness and massive adoption are all new - Apple is in a lot of ways paving the way all of those things considered.

    There are other metal, thin, large phones but none have the massive audience. So if they do bend it's a non-story.

    Apple will figure it out. Glad they don't agree with any of you or they probably wouldn't change to stronger.
    08-25-2015 08:01 PM
  20. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Apple will figure it out. Glad they don't agree with any of you or they probably wouldn't change to stronger.


    Don't agree with any of us...lol. "Us" meaning the people pointing out that "bendgate" was an overblown blog circle jerk, and that the issue was relevant to a very tiny % of the total amount of consumers who bought the iPhone 6/6+...? I'd say agreeing with us is exactly what Apple did...because they certainly didn't respond to it with any official statement, like they have EVERY time something affected even a moderate amount of customers with the device.
    08-26-2015 12:49 AM
  21. Scatabrain's Avatar
    http://i.imgur.com/L24cy.gif

    Don't agree with any of us...lol. "Us" meaning the people pointing out that "bendgate" was an overblown blog circle jerk, and that the issue was relevant to a very tiny % of the total amount of consumers who bought the iPhone 6/6+...? I'd say agreeing with us is exactly what Apple did...because they certainly didn't respond to it with any official statement, like they have EVERY time something affected even a moderate amount of customers with the device.
    I don't believe they officially admitted antenna design problems either.
    08-26-2015 07:50 AM
  22. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Now we're at the point where you want something to be "officially admitted".

    It was addressed. Period.
    08-26-2015 01:14 PM
  23. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Now we're at the point where you want something to be "officially admitted".

    It was addressed. Period.
    No no. I am not in a mob demanding anything. That was a response to Sean.

    I think Apple is doing/did the right thing. It is the interpretation of their motives that is in debate.
    08-26-2015 02:03 PM
  24. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I don't believe they officially admitted antenna design problems either.
    You believed wrong...(shocking)

    https://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...-iPhone-4.html

    ...to compare, here is Apple's response to "Bendgate"...

    Our iPhones are designed, engineered and manufactured to be both beautiful and sturdy. iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus feature a precision engineered unibody enclosure constructed from machining a custom grade of 6000 series anodized aluminum, which is tempered for extra strength. They also feature stainless steel and titanium inserts to reinforce high stress locations and use the strongest glass in the smartphone industry. We chose these high-quality materials and construction very carefully for their strength and durability.

    We also perform rigorous tests throughout the entire development cycle including 3-point bending, pressure point cycling, sit, torsion, and user studies. iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus meet or exceed all of our high quality standards to endure everyday, real life use.
    ...essentially echoing what we've been saying in this thread that you've tried to counter over and over again.

    Your interpretation of the use of the higher grade aluminum is misguided and assumptive.
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    08-26-2015 03:04 PM
  25. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Nice! Thanks for providing me with this about the antenna. It matches today's situation.

    They denied problem initially, then put out this statement saying it was software Then gave everyone FREE bumpers - how much did that cost? And whatever was that for? To help with the software issue?

    The bending response of only 9 people came out really fast. I bet they hadn't felt the full impact yet.

    I don't care if they publicly respond. I only care about the design and that they help their customers. They are clearly doing both.
    08-26-2015 03:23 PM
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