1. mulasien's Avatar
    I like the idea of the S6 Edge (with the side display), however the reviews I've read have stated 1. it's not very useful outside of the 'oh that's cool' aspect and 2. It's actually less comfortable to hold since the back side is 'sharper' than a standard display, digging into your hand a bit.
    05-19-2015 02:58 PM
  2. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    I'll never understand why people feel their preferences equate to general problems with one OS or the other. Android isn't "behind", it's just different. It's built different natively for different functionality that appeals to different people. Why trash it because you prefer something else?

    iOS is great for some and terrible for others.
    Android is great for some and terrible for others.
    Windows OS is great for some and terrible for others.
    Strawberry milkshakes are great for some and terrible for others.

    ...it'd be great if people could simply enjoy their preferred stuff without trashing the other stuff out there.

    Android is behind in battery management and memory management. My iPad Mini will outlast my Nexus 7 by a week, at least.
    05-19-2015 07:11 PM
  3. AugustVance's Avatar
    Shall I dare mention native screenshot capability to stir the pot?
    05-19-2015 08:08 PM
  4. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Android is behind in battery management and memory management. My iPad Mini will outlast my Nexus 7 by a week, at least.
    I think it depends on the device being used in this regard...iPads (especially those which don't use cellular connection) can have phenomenal battery life, but those WITH cellular connection can be far worse. Same with phones...Notes are pretty well regarded as having great battery life.
    05-19-2015 08:16 PM
  5. RavenSword's Avatar
    I stopped reading when you called SeanHRCC a ANDROID CRUSADER. I can't see past my tears from laughing
    21stNow and nikkisharif like this.
    05-19-2015 11:27 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I stopped reading when you called SeanHRCC a ANDROID CRUSADER. I can't see past my tears from laughing
    He won't ever get to see the humor in this...because he went spiraling down the drain. Oh well...
    nikkisharif likes this.
    05-20-2015 12:53 AM
  7. dannejanne's Avatar
    Care to explain what exactly that even means? What the hell is a more "mature" operating system?

    And what possibilities does the Android OS present that iOS cannot?

    I'm guessing this was just your best opportunity to post that ridiculous picture.
    Chill down, "genious". My intentions were never to stir up the pot in here but some are obviously very easily offended obviously. Are you supposed to be some kind of uber-iMore user that everyone should respect of what? You seem to be very fond of yourself in your attitude. Don't bother to give me some kind of snobby answer because I wont read it. Have a nice day.
    Last edited by dannejanne; 05-20-2015 at 02:38 AM.
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    05-20-2015 02:21 AM
  8. Sekelani Zwambila's Avatar
    Chewing on popcorn waiting for Sean's response


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    05-20-2015 04:30 AM
  9. bamf-hacker's Avatar
    Not behind its different. I use and test all types of devices for work and each has its pros and cons.
    05-20-2015 04:52 AM
  10. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Chill down, "genious". My intentions were never to stir up the pot in here but some are obviously very easily offended obviously. Are you supposed to be some kind of uber-iMore user that everyone should respect of what? You seem to be very fond of yourself in your attitude. Don't bother to give me some kind of snobby answer because I wont read it. Have a nice day.
    This is what I call a snobby answer.
    nikkisharif likes this.
    05-20-2015 06:57 AM
  11. finn5975's Avatar
    Chill down, "genious". My intentions were never to stir up the pot in here but some are obviously very easily offended obviously. Are you supposed to be some kind of uber-iMore user that everyone should respect of what? You seem to be very fond of yourself in your attitude. Don't bother to give me some kind of snobby answer because I wont read it. Have a nice day.
    Help me understand something. You posted a picture that depicts an iPhone 6, released in 2014, as 'finally' catching up to 2012 released phone yet your "intentions were never to stir up the pot in here". Then you tell a fellow member not to bother giving you some type of a snobby answer in response to your, you guessed it, snobby answer. You are really batting a thousand here let me tell ya...
    Last edited by finn5975; 05-20-2015 at 10:19 AM.
    05-20-2015 10:02 AM
  12. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Chill down, "genious". My intentions were never to stir up the pot in here but some are obviously very easily offended obviously. Are you supposed to be some kind of uber-iMore user that everyone should respect of what? You seem to be very fond of yourself in your attitude. Don't bother to give me some kind of snobby answer because I wont read it. Have a nice day.


    Typical pot shot response taken by someone who can't back up the drivel they originally posted...why am I not surprised. You certainly don't have to respect me (nor do I care if you do at all), but you should be ready and willing to back up comments like you made when someone challenges them...unfortunately, it's quite clear you're incapable of that, and it kind of lends itself to why I responded to your original comment the way I did.

    Obviously, on to the next one obviously...obviously.
    Last edited by SeanHRCC; 05-20-2015 at 10:48 AM.
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    05-20-2015 10:37 AM
  13. Wildo6882's Avatar
    Actually iOS is the one that's behind. Apple have copied essential functions in the past from Android such as the notification pulldown. Android has way more possibilities and is more mature in that regard.

    However, I enjoy iOS more as a system and have an iPhone 6 Plus because it's just a joy to use even though it's a very locked in system. It's so smooth and responsive though. But Android Lollipop is pretty smooth too at least Vanilla Android.

    This picture comes to mind, and it's pretty true but it does not really do anything negative about the user experience and that's my point:
    I don't think he was stirring up the pot. He was agreeing with Sean about how Android was not behind the times when compared to iOS. He didn't create that picture, we all know that. All he was doing was referring to some things that Android has had for awhile that iOS just got with iOS 8 to support the argument that Android is not behind the curve. He also wasn't saying that iOS sucked because of it, or Android was a deity because it had some features first. He also said that he preferred iOS.

    I don't get the anger here. They are both good operating systems, and basically do the exact same thing, just in different ways. They both also copy each other, which usually ends up being for the better for the end user. I guess I'll just never understand why people fight over which OS is better...
    nancybout and dannejanne like this.
    05-20-2015 10:47 AM
  14. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Im curious if you even read his response...lol. Perhaps you missed out on a few key points...

    - Calling Android a more "mature" OS (whatever the hell that means, lol)
    - Saying iOS is the operating system that is "behind"
    - Saying that Android is a more capable operation system

    ...and then the cute little snide picture he posted.

    It's interesting...you are attempting to paint his response in such an innocent light, when it spews the typical trollish attitude we see here all the time. Lipstick on a pig and such...and he wasn't even really that subtle with it.

    I'm certainly not fighting over which OS is the best...I asked him to back up his comments because they were ridiculous. And I also took a jab because he couldn't help himself but post the anti-iPhone picture at the bottom of his supposedly "innocent" post.

    I mean come one...he's not trying to "stir the pot", yet he comes on an iPhone-centric community forum and talks about how the operating system on the iPhone is behind the times, less "mature" than Android (lol) and posts a picture that was making the rounds on android central last fall?
    05-20-2015 10:53 AM
  15. Wildo6882's Avatar
    Im curious if you even read his response...lol. Perhaps you missed out on a few key points...

    - Calling Android a more "mature" OS (whatever the hell that means, lol)
    - Saying iOS is the operating system that is "behind"
    - Saying that Android is a more capable operation system

    ...and then the cute little snide picture he posted.

    It's interesting...you are attempting to paint his response in such an innocent light, when it spews the typical trollish attitude we see here all the time. Lipstick on a pig and such...and he wasn't even really that subtle with it.

    I'm certainly not fighting over which OS is the best...I asked him to back up his comments because they were ridiculous. And I also took a jab because he couldn't help himself but post the anti-iPhone picture at the bottom of his supposedly "innocent" post.
    iOS is behind in some respects (only gaining certain functions that have been available in Android for years) and Android has more options/capabilities due to its more open nature. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily the best OS. It is for some, and not for others.

    To me, he only posted that picture to illustrate some of the things that iOS just recently got that have been on Android for quite awhile. You also glossed over where he praised iOS and said he preferred it.

    Who cares if he posted that "snide picture"? It's honestly true, and just some dumb picture that's been floating around the internet for 8 months. Why do you have to get so upset? Brush it off, man. You love iOS. Apparently, he does too. As do I. But I'm also not so stuck on it that I can't see the positive qualities in another OS and see where my preferred OS is lagging behind the competition in some areas.
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    05-20-2015 10:59 AM
  16. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    And now you insinuate that I can't see the redeeming qualities in other operating systems? lol! I'm the one that made the initial argument to the now removed OP that Android was just as capable and legitimate as iOS...

    I know where iOS falls short of Android, and I know where Android falls short of iOS. He didn't say it was behind in "some aspects", he flat out said it was behind in a general sense, which is why I challenged his post. And then there's the "mature" comment that seems to keep getting ignored, but that's probably because it was so asinine, even an apologist avoids it, lol.

    In the end, why do you feel your response to this should be everyone's? I personally can't stand people who take pot shots at things without the gumption to back it up...I also find overly generic comments worthy of calling someone out. Had he said "iOS is behind in certain aspects", you would have never heard a word from me, but instead...he makes the blanket statement, and you get to see me jump in the ring.

    You keep saying "To me, he only...", well that's great...to you he was innocent enough. To me, it was something else. It's perfectly ok for us to disagree on this...but why should your approach to the situation be the right one and mine be wrong? Because mine was challenging and brash? There are tons of people on this website that praise iOS because they use an Apple device that also don't know squat about it, or make idiotic comments on either side of the fence. Just because you use the devices doesn't mean you're excused from saying something bizarre or just flat out wrong.

    The snide picture was just the icing on this cake, and was just a part of the whole. I mentioned it because of such...
    05-20-2015 11:16 AM
  17. Evilguppy's Avatar
    *Using the Collective robotic voice*

    Sean, you have been outed as an Android Crusader. Resistance is futile. Admit your offense and repent or face the consequences.

    *Using TV commercial voice*

    Said consequences include but are not limited to being made to kneel at the altar of IOS and shed a gallon of heartfelt tears over your abject betrayal of everything holy in the world of mobile devices.
    The offender shall be made to don a white shift and do penance by crawling belly first to his local Apple store and swear allegiance to the mighty Appleseed.
    The offender shall smash and burn all Android devices hidden in his house and scatter the ashes at the nearest bio hazard dumping site.
    The offender shall sign an affidavit promising to never even look at an Android device on pain of immediate removal of eyes and hands.

    *using TV anchor voice*

    This concludes this emergency broadcast. Thank you.
    twilite2000 likes this.
    05-20-2015 11:36 AM
  18. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Help me understand something. You posted a picture that depicts an iPhone 6, released in 2014, as 'finally' catching up to 2012 released phone yet your "intentions were never to stir up the pot in here". Then you tell a fellow member not to bother giving you some type of a snobby answer in response to your, you guessed it, snobby answer. You are really batting a thousand here let me tell ya...
    Never mind the fact that the iPad was out before lots of these other big screen mobile devices. I really hate people like this, don't you?
    05-20-2015 12:00 PM
  19. iEd's Avatar
    Here's a comparison:
    iPhone 5 released in 2012 the steps to update to iOS 8.3

    1. iOS 8.3 released tap update.


    Nexus 4 released in 2012 here are the steps to update to Lollipop if you couldn't wait for the OTA.

    Android 5.1 Lollipop for the Nexus 4 has started rolling out a few days ago, bumping up the smartphone's Android build from LRX22C to LMY470.

    This makes the Nexus 4 one of the last few Nexus devices to receive the highly anticipated major maintenance upgrade from Google, which consists of a relatively large 174 MB of files meant to address major bugs and problems found in earlier versions of Android Lollipop.

    But while some users have started receiving the over-the-air (OTA) update for Android 5.1, plenty of others are still waiting for the update to arrive on their phones. That's normal, since it usually takes several days for the update to reach all devices. However, if you cannot wait any longer and would like to update your Nexus 4 now, you can flash the factory image officially released by Google on the Android developers' website.

    There are several things to remember when using this method. First, the factory image will install a stock Android 5.1 on your Nexus 4 and will wipe out all files and settings you have on your device. Unlike the OTA update, which installs over the phone's current software, this method will wipe everything out. So unless you don't care for your files, make sure to make a complete backup before doing the manual install.

    Second, you need to become a developer and enable USB debugging. To do this, go to Settings > About on your Nexus 4 and tap on the build number seven times. This will automatically make you a developer. Now, go back to Settings, where you'll find the new Developer options. Tap that and make sure that USB debugging and Enable OEM unlock if you are upgrading from an older version of Android Lollipop are checked.

    Third, you will need to install ADB and Fastboot to your PC or Mac. These will allow you to connect your Nexus 4 to your computer via a USB cable and flash the factory image from there. To install ADB and Fastboot for Windows, download the ADB installer for Windows found on the XDA developers' forum. Once downloaded, run the file as administrator and type a Y, which stands for Yes, to install ADB and Fastboot and the related drivers.

    On a Mac, the process is easier. Simply open the terminal on your Mac and paste the following code from XDA. This will easily install ADB and Fastboot system-wide without the need for messy installers.

    Alternatively, you can download the Android SDK from the Android Development website and follow the instructions for installing it correctly. This will automatically install ADB and Fastboot, which are located under the Platform > Tools folder.

    Fifth, the bootloader needs to be unlocked. Manually installing Android 5.1 using a locked bootloader simply will not work. Once your Nexus 4 is connected to your computer, open command prompt on Windows or terminal on Mac in the ADB folder and type adb reboot bootloader. In Fastboot, type fastboot oem unlock. You will need to follow the instructions to unlock the bootloader and erase all data.

    And lastly, sideloading a 174 MB file will need a lot of resources, so make sure you have at least 80 percent of battery life to see you through the entire process.

    Once that's done, you can now start flashing Android 5.1 on your Nexus 4.

    Step 1: Download the ZIP file from the Android Development website. This is the official Google file that will update your Nexus 4 from Android 5.0.1 straight to Android 5.1.

    Step 2: Boot your Nexus 4 into bootloader mode either by typing ./adb reboot bootloader into the command prompt or terminal or pressing the volume down and power buttons together while the phone is turned off.

    Step 3: Once in bootloader mode, go to recovery mode. Press the volume down button twice and the power button once to select Recovery mode. This will show an Android icon with a red exclamation point on the screen. Hold the power button and press the volume up button. You're now in recovery mode.

    Step 4: Flash the factory image. While in recovery mode, press the volume down button once to highlight apply update from ADB and select it by pressing the power button once. In command prompt or terminal, change the directory to the location of your file, then type ./adb sideload [name of OTA file].zip to start pushing the update to your Nexus 4.

    Step 5: Wait for your device to finish installing Android 5.1. Once complete, your Nexus 4 will automatically restart and boot in normal mode.

    Congratulations! You now have Android 5.1 installed on your Nexus 4.

    Google also released the factory images for the Wi-Fi and LTE versions of the Nexus 7 2013 recently, and you can also use the method detailed above to install the updates to your tablet if waiting for the OTA seems like a lifetime to you.




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    05-20-2015 12:19 PM
  20. trparky's Avatar
    I know that I'm going to regret getting in on this thread but here goes...

    Someone mentioned that Android is a more mature OS because it had many of the features that iOS has now way earlier than iOS had it. No, that just means that Android is more on the bleeding edge than iOS is. In some ways being on the bleeding edge with the latest and greatest of features isn't all that it's cracked up to be. You end up having bugs and software features that don't work intuitively, properly, or don't at all.

    iOS is a system that's evolving slowly, adding features at a pace at which new features can be perfected and made to work intuitively.

    I switched from Android to iOS a couple of months ago and at first it was a bit jarring but the UI is very easy to pick up and use. There are definitely some things that I would change about the Settings app, primarily rearranging some items and putting others under different sub-menus but that's about it. I would love to meet up with Jony Ive and give him some pointers on the little tweaks I'd like to see come to future versions of iOS.
    Wildo6882 likes this.
    05-20-2015 05:16 PM
  21. shanghaichica's Avatar
    Here's a comparison:
    iPhone 5 released in 2012 the steps to update to iOS 8.3

    1. iOS 8.3 released tap update.


    Nexus 4 released in 2012 here are the steps to update to Lollipop if you couldn't wait for the OTA.

    Android 5.1 Lollipop for the Nexus 4 has started rolling out a few days ago, bumping up the smartphone's Android build from LRX22C to LMY470.

    This makes the Nexus 4 one of the last few Nexus devices to receive the highly anticipated major maintenance upgrade from Google, which consists of a relatively large 174 MB of files meant to address major bugs and problems found in earlier versions of Android Lollipop.

    But while some users have started receiving the over-the-air (OTA) update for Android 5.1, plenty of others are still waiting for the update to arrive on their phones. That's normal, since it usually takes several days for the update to reach all devices. However, if you cannot wait any longer and would like to update your Nexus 4 now, you can flash the factory image officially released by Google on the Android developers' website.

    There are several things to remember when using this method. First, the factory image will install a stock Android 5.1 on your Nexus 4 and will wipe out all files and settings you have on your device. Unlike the OTA update, which installs over the phone's current software, this method will wipe everything out. So unless you don't care for your files, make sure to make a complete backup before doing the manual install.

    Second, you need to become a developer and enable USB debugging. To do this, go to Settings > About on your Nexus 4 and tap on the build number seven times. This will automatically make you a developer. Now, go back to Settings, where you'll find the new Developer options. Tap that and make sure that USB debugging and Enable OEM unlock if you are upgrading from an older version of Android Lollipop are checked.

    Third, you will need to install ADB and Fastboot to your PC or Mac. These will allow you to connect your Nexus 4 to your computer via a USB cable and flash the factory image from there. To install ADB and Fastboot for Windows, download the ADB installer for Windows found on the XDA developers' forum. Once downloaded, run the file as administrator and type a Y, which stands for Yes, to install ADB and Fastboot and the related drivers.

    On a Mac, the process is easier. Simply open the terminal on your Mac and paste the following code from XDA. This will easily install ADB and Fastboot system-wide without the need for messy installers.

    Alternatively, you can download the Android SDK from the Android Development website and follow the instructions for installing it correctly. This will automatically install ADB and Fastboot, which are located under the Platform > Tools folder.

    Fifth, the bootloader needs to be unlocked. Manually installing Android 5.1 using a locked bootloader simply will not work. Once your Nexus 4 is connected to your computer, open command prompt on Windows or terminal on Mac in the ADB folder and type adb reboot bootloader. In Fastboot, type fastboot oem unlock. You will need to follow the instructions to unlock the bootloader and erase all data.

    And lastly, sideloading a 174 MB file will need a lot of resources, so make sure you have at least 80 percent of battery life to see you through the entire process.

    Once that's done, you can now start flashing Android 5.1 on your Nexus 4.

    Step 1: Download the ZIP file from the Android Development website. This is the official Google file that will update your Nexus 4 from Android 5.0.1 straight to Android 5.1.

    Step 2: Boot your Nexus 4 into bootloader mode either by typing ./adb reboot bootloader into the command prompt or terminal or pressing the volume down and power buttons together while the phone is turned off.

    Step 3: Once in bootloader mode, go to recovery mode. Press the volume down button twice and the power button once to select Recovery mode. This will show an Android icon with a red exclamation point on the screen. Hold the power button and press the volume up button. You're now in recovery mode.

    Step 4: Flash the factory image. While in recovery mode, press the volume down button once to highlight apply update from ADB and select it by pressing the power button once. In command prompt or terminal, change the directory to the location of your file, then type ./adb sideload [name of OTA file].zip to start pushing the update to your Nexus 4.

    Step 5: Wait for your device to finish installing Android 5.1. Once complete, your Nexus 4 will automatically restart and boot in normal mode.

    Congratulations! You now have Android 5.1 installed on your Nexus 4.

    Google also released the factory images for the Wi-Fi and LTE versions of the Nexus 7 2013 recently, and you can also use the method detailed above to install the updates to your tablet if waiting for the OTA seems like a lifetime to you.




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    But if you wait for the OTA update you wouldn't have to go through all of that. To be fair at least on android you have the option of flashing updates if you don't want to wait/ your device isn't being supported. I just used to wait.
    21stNow likes this.
    05-21-2015 05:58 AM
  22. nancybout's Avatar
    He said he felt it was inferior that's all my take on it ...
    However we do want more than One platform and android is ok my husband prefers it.I was thinking of the galaxy note 4 but decided on the 6 plus.
    05-21-2015 06:11 AM
  23. iEd's Avatar
    But if you wait for the OTA update you wouldn't have to go through all of that. To be fair at least on android you have the option of flashing updates if you don't want to wait/ your device isn't being supported. I just used to wait.
    I know that eventually the OTA is available but on iPhone there's no rollout a update is available to all day one.


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    05-21-2015 09:06 AM
  24. Wildo6882's Avatar
    I know that eventually the OTA is available but on iPhone there's no rollout a update is available to all day one.


    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus using Tapatalk
    That's pretty much my biggest issue with Android. Even on Nexus devices, there isn't any cohesion - for example, some Nexus 6 users get the update pushed one day, and others are still a week or more later. And not all Nexus devices get it at the same time, which makes no sense to me. And then you have phones from Sammy, HTC, etc, that all have to go through their processes and are usually 6 months behind when the update was actually released. And oftentimes these updates have significant improvements in them, which can be seen with the Lollipop update (which has suffered from bad memory leaks and battery issues).
    05-21-2015 10:27 AM
  25. iEd's Avatar
    When I had a HTC EVO 3D I believe it took a year for it to get a OTA for Ice Cream Sandwich. By then I went back to iPhone.
    A year after release the 3D was EOL.


    Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus using Tapatalk
    05-21-2015 11:06 AM
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