1. Auturi's Avatar
    Yet, we're getting all kinds of crazy stories. When the whole thing started, the media first said that Apple would be making a low cost version of the phone that would lose features and come with things like 3G and stuff like that.

    When that didn't happen, they wondered why it was so expensive. Even though the phone is actually the high quality product you expect. On top of that, there is an illusion of sales numbers between the overproduced 5c and underproduced 5s. When the 5s arrived, only 2 to 3 gold models of the phone were available at any given store.

    I could say, well, no one cares how many it sold. These are S and C models, neither are new new iPhones.
    Last edited by Auturi; 10-29-2013 at 11:29 PM. Reason: Apple includes 5c and 5s numbers together
    10-28-2013 12:33 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    The iPhone5 was 'discontinued'... as in they quit makin' 'em... makes sense that eventually stock would deplete... rocket science it isn't.
    10-28-2013 12:39 PM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    When the 5s arrived, only 2 to 3 gold models of the phone were available at any given store.
    This isn't true at all...some stores may have only received 2-3...I know for a fact that one of the Apple stores in Atlanta got around 50 of them on release day, and about a dozen each day afterwards for about a week (and now, have gold readily in stock for AT&T and Verizon, depending on which storage size you're looking for).

    I could say, well, no one cares how many it sold. These are S and C models, neither are new new iPhones.
    Both are "new" phones...a phone can be brand new without a complete redesign. In fact, since this is the 5c forum, I'd argue that the design aspect of the 5c is a pretty clearly NEW phone, given it's new design and external materials combined with a slew of new features on the inside.
    10-28-2013 01:08 PM
  4. iEd's Avatar
    I don't think the 5s was underproduced the high demand wasn't anticipated especially for the gold.



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    10-28-2013 01:16 PM
  5. Auturi's Avatar
    Well anyway, since launch day, Apple received zero (0) SIM free unlocked phones at any of their stores. I was there. Does it really make sense that Apple would underestimate the demand for the 5s?

    I think the supply is constrained because of the fingerprint sensor. If you wanted the 5s, you had to wait a month or two or three or longer.

    Both are "new" phones...a phone can be brand new without a complete redesign. In fact, since this is the 5c forum, I'd argue that the design aspect of the 5c is a pretty clearly NEW phone, given it's new design and external materials combined with a slew of new features on the inside.
    They're both refinements I had an iPhone 5 will scuff gate, I knew that if. I had gotten the 5s it would be the same thing.

    It's a real mystery. For the 5s Is there the illusion of demand because the phone is underproduced?
    Last edited by Auturi; 10-28-2013 at 01:45 PM.
    10-28-2013 01:32 PM
  6. iEd's Avatar
    Well anyway, since launch day, Apple received zero (0) SIM free unlocked phones at any of their stores. I was there. Does it really make sense that Apple would underestimate the demand for the 5s?

    I think the supply is constrained because of the fingerprint sensor. If you wanted the 5s, you had to wait a month or two or three or longer.



    They're both refinements I had an iPhone 5 will scuff gate, I knew that if. I had gotten the 5s it would be the same thing.

    It's a real mystery. For the 5s Is there the illusion of demand because the phone is underproduced?
    Of course it makes sense they under estimated demand being that it was the best opening weekend ever for iPhone. They exceeded what they did last year. A totally new phone and redesigned OS.

    As far as scuff gate. Once they got rid of black slate I knew that wasn't going to be a issue.

    Unlocked phones? You just aren't going to have a lot of people dropping 6-800 bucks for a unlocked phone. Some people do though. A carrier would much rather get 2k out of you in 2 years. I don't believe unlocked phones are at the forefront of Apples strategy. Unlocked phones benefit the consumer.
    The long money is in contracts and Apple wants the long money. If I was Apple or a carrier I wouldn't push unlocked phones. I would offer it but not push it.

    But what is a 5c? The 5 in a new case. Essentially you are producing new cases for the 5. The 5s is new externals and internals.

    So it's safe to assume the production rates would be faster on a 5c. This doesn't mean they were overproduced. It just means it's faster to slap a new case on a 5.

    If you estimate a demand and the consumer exceeds that estimate you have the 5s. That doesn't mean it was underproduced.

    The iPhone 6 production may be based on demand for the 5s. But what if more people switch or more decide to upgrade you have even more demand.


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    10-28-2013 02:25 PM
  7. Auturi's Avatar
    So you're saying that the iPhone 5c should've gotten the fingerprint and the A7?

    If the 5c is just the 5 in a new case then the 5s is the actual 5. It looks exactly the same. They just switched chips.

    Already knowing full well that the A7 currently doesn't provide any additional benefit.
    10-28-2013 02:38 PM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Well anyway, since launch day, Apple received zero (0) SIM free unlocked phones at any of their stores. I was there. Does it really make sense that Apple would underestimate the demand for the 5s?

    I think the supply is constrained because of the fingerprint sensor. If you wanted the 5s, you had to wait a month or two or three or longer.



    They're both refinements I had an iPhone 5 will scuff gate, I knew that if. I had gotten the 5s it would be the same thing.

    It's a real mystery. For the 5s Is there the illusion of demand because the phone is underproduced?
    You are 100% inaccurate with so many things you've said here I don't even know where to begin.

    1.) Apple stores NEVER sell unlocked iPhone's this close to release dates...it's been this way since the iPhone 3GS.

    2.) There's plenty of supply out there. And you can "think" whatever you want, doesn't mean it has any legitimacy at all.

    3.) The 5S has no scuffing problems...it has nothing similar to what the iPhone 5 had after release.

    4.) There's no illusion about the consumer demand for the 5S, it's blatantly in front of your eyes...clear as day.
    10-28-2013 02:38 PM
  9. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    So you're saying that the iPhone 5c should've gotten the fingerprint and the A7?

    If the 5c is just the 5 in a new case then the 5s is the actual 5. It looks exactly the same. They just switched chips.

    Already knowing full well that the A7 currently doesn't provide any additional benefit.
    You literally have no clue what you're talking about. Zero.
    10-28-2013 02:38 PM
  10. Auturi's Avatar
    You literally have no clue what you're talking about. Zero.
    You seem a little bit "perturbed".

    If I'm mistaken, can you help me? Why can you get an unlocked 5c but the unlocked 5s is not on their website at all?

    Long story short, since day one, I could not get a 5s and I did not want to wait thirty days plus. It's at the point now where if you order a 5s, you don't know when you're going to get it, you'd have no idea.

    This is supplemented by the fact that people everyday try to say, don't buy the 5c even though it is readily available and suits my needs.

    Help me with this one too. Why should I desire to get the A7, when apps have barely gotten to the A6 level?
    10-28-2013 03:06 PM
  11. iEd's Avatar
    So you're saying that the iPhone 5c should've gotten the fingerprint and the A7?

    If the 5c is just the 5 in a new case then the 5s is the actual 5. It looks exactly the same. They just switched chips.

    Already knowing full well that the A7 currently doesn't provide any additional benefit.
    10-28-2013 04:02 PM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Yet, we're getting all kinds of crazy stories. When the whole thing started, the media first said that Apple would be making a low cost version of the phone that would lose features and come with things like 3G and stuff like that.
    Yet, I do not recall reading any quotes from Apple about it prior to its release.

    When that didn't happen, they wondered why it was so expensive. Even though the phone is actually the high quality product you expect.
    First of all, Apple sold millions of the iPhone 5C within days of its release. Still, Apple products are "generally" regarded as premium items, and it's not illogical to conclude that some people shy away from anything perceived as "low cost" or "for the budget-minded". Then there are people who've learned that the 5C is basically and iPhone 5 and "may have" opted to get the 5 and keep the "premium" look in lieu of the 5C. I "suspect" that stores are still selling the 5C and will sell even more during the Christmas shopping season.
    On top of that, there is an illusion of sales numbers between the overproduced 5c and underproduced 5s.
    Where is the proof that the 5C was "overproduced and the 5S was underproduced?
    When the 5s arrived, only 2 to 3 gold models of the phone were available at any given store.
    You're stating this as if it is fact without proof.

    I could say, well, no one cares how many it sold. These are S and C models, neither are new new iPhones.
    What? I'll cut you some slack with the 5C, but the 5S is indeed a "new model". Unlike the 4 and the 4S with no outward differences, the 5S has a fingerprint scanner that is clearly visible and distinguishable from the home button go the iPhone 5.
    10-28-2013 04:09 PM
  13. Auturi's Avatar
    Today Apple confirmed the two things I had thought all along:

    (1) People read rumors that the 5c was supposed to be some kind of low tier phone, but that wasn't Apple's intention.

    This was obvious to me. I guess, in their heart, people wanted Apple to address the lower price segment with the 5c but that's not what happened. That's what the 4 and 4S is for.

    (2) The 5s supply is severely constrained.

    He said it himself. Severe backlogs. I knew I wasn't crazy. I couldn't find a unlocked 5s anywhere. Apple didn't address the sales numbers of the individual phones. But both the duo of iPhones are out, you take what you can get.

    With the iPhone 6 right around the corner, you have to play your options.

    No one knows how much the 5c has sold, and it doesn't matter.
    10-28-2013 07:56 PM
  14. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Today Apple confirmed the two things I had thought all along:

    (1) People read rumors that the 5c was supposed to be some kind of low tier phone, but that wasn't Apple's intention.

    This was obvious to me. I guess, in their heart, people wanted Apple to address the lower price segment with the 5c but that's not what happened. That's what the 4 and 4S is for.

    (2) The 5s supply is severely constrained.

    He said it himself. Severe backlogs. I knew I wasn't crazy. I couldn't find a unlocked 5s anywhere. Apple didn't address the sales numbers of the individual phones. But both the duo of iPhones are out, you take what you can get.

    With the iPhone 6 right around the corner, you have to play your options.
    I'm certainly not perturbed...I just think it's hilarious how you were spouting off about non-sense earlier when you spoke about the phones being no different...it was hilarious really, and a bit pitiful.

    The iPhone 6 is not anywhere near "right around the corner", it's nearly a full year away, in technology terms, that's quite a while.

    I'd address what you've pointed out, but you're seriously just rambling about non-sensical opinions you've come up with, and for some reason, you're hung up on the fact that you've not got a 5S yet. You're not making any legitimate points, nor are you raising any decent arguments...so what's the point in trying to show you reality? You'll just discredit it because it doesn't follow in line with your opinion.
    10-28-2013 08:02 PM
  15. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    You seem a little bit "perturbed".

    If I'm mistaken, can you help me? Why can you get an unlocked 5c but the unlocked 5s is not on their website at all?

    Long story short, since day one, I could not get a 5s and I did not want to wait thirty days plus. It's at the point now where if you order a 5s, you don't know when you're going to get it, you'd have no idea.

    This is supplemented by the fact that people everyday try to say, don't buy the 5c even though it is readily available and suits my needs.

    Help me with this one too. Why should I desire to get the A7, when apps have barely gotten to the A6 level?
    The 5S is sold unlocked. It's the sim-free version.
    10-28-2013 08:06 PM
  16. Auturi's Avatar
    I'm willing to bet that a bulk of orders were actually 5c models. Because how is anyone buying the 5s when it's back logged, not in stores and not available?

    Not that it matters, I'm just saying. Take what you can get. To me, I'd rather get a 5c than wait for a 5s. When you put the two phones up against each other, the difference is not discernible. A7 and 64 bits does not offer any advantage for anyone now.

    This was also addressed in the conference call. And till now, no one has been able to directly answer that question. The question of what someone would use an A7 for, when apps haven't even gotten to the A6 level.

    Then I thought about it, and I said well if I was going to buy the 5S I probably would want to keep it when the 6 came out. I know I want the 6. So I decided to get the 5C and get the 6.
    10-28-2013 08:53 PM
  17. iEd's Avatar
    I'm willing to bet that a bulk of orders were actually 5c models. Because how is anyone buying the 5s when it's back logged, not in stores and not available?

    Not that it matters, I'm just saying. Take what you can get. To me, I'd rather get a 5c than wait for a 5s. When you put the two phones up against each other, the difference is not discernible. A7 does not offer any advantage for me now.
    Dude do what you want to do who cares. I got my 5S Sept 24. Walked in got it.
    I don't care what Apple is or is not selling. I'm not getting a cut.


    #Naked Tuesday
    10-28-2013 08:58 PM
  18. Auturi's Avatar
    Dude do what you want to do who cares. I got my 5S Sept 24. Walked in got it.
    I don't care what Apple is or is not selling. I'm not getting a cut.


    #Naked Tuesday

    And let me guess, you got the space gray. That's because statistically, if someone says they walked to the store and got a 5s, chances are it wasn't a gold one. Because most stores did not get any gold at all.

    You don't know the full story of what I actually did to try to get these phones but the fact of the matter is that there is no unlocked iPhone 5s Sim free that Apple is selling right now.

    But I do have to take into consideration that most people actually do get iPhones on contracts. And most people actually don't buy unlocked phones so it's not really that big of an issue. For me, it is because I'm a business person and travel all the time.

    I don't usually deal with carrier contracts, but even if I decided to try going onto a contract to get the 5S I would feel severely disappointed, and then what would I do when the iPhone 6 came out?
    Last edited by Auturi; 10-28-2013 at 09:20 PM.
    10-28-2013 09:06 PM
  19. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    And let me guess, you got the space gray. That's because statistically, if someone says they walked to the store and got a 5s, chances are it wasn't a gold one. Because most stores did not get any gold at all.

    You don't know the full story of what I actually did to try to get these phones but the fact of the matter is that there is no unlocked iPhone 5s Sim free that Apple is selling right now.
    You're changing your tune. First you're saying unlocked. I provide evidence of unlocked and then you change it to "sim-free." Whether the phone has a SIM card in it, pay full retail, and it is unlocked. I've already bought two iPhone 5S's with AT&T sims and paying full retail turned them unlocked. Whether it's sim free or not, you're paying the same price for an unlocked phone.
    10-28-2013 09:13 PM
  20. Auturi's Avatar
    You're changing your tune. First you're saying unlocked. I provide evidence of unlocked and then you change it to "sim-free." Whether the phone has a SIM card in it, pay full retail, and it is unlocked. I've already bought two iPhone 5S's with AT&T sims and paying full retail turned them unlocked. Whether it's sim free or not, you're paying the same price for an unlocked phone.
    You provided evidence of T-Mobile contract free. Can someone answer this question, where is the unlocked sim free version? Just look on the iPhone 5c page, it's there it's not there with the 5S.
    10-28-2013 09:22 PM
  21. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    You provided evidence of T-Mobile contract free. Can someone answer this question, where is the unlocked sim free version? Just look on the iPhone 5c page, it's there it's not there with the 5S.
    It is the T-Mobile contract free version. Just get it and pretend it doesn't have a SIM card in it. It is the same exact thing. It is already unlocked.

    It's like if you call me because you want to tell me something but you say you'd rather see me in person to tell me. Let's just pretend we're blind and just tell me over the phone.
    10-28-2013 09:25 PM
  22. jmr1015's Avatar
    And let me guess, you got the space gray. That's because statistically, if someone says they walked to the store and got a 5s, chances are it wasn't a gold one. Because most stores did not get any gold at all.

    You don't know the full story of what I actually did to try to get these phones but the fact of the matter is that there is no unlocked iPhone 5s Sim free that Apple is selling right now.

    But I do have to take into consideration that most people actually do get iPhones on contracts. And most people actually don't buy unlocked phones so it's not really that big of an issue. For me, it is because I'm a business person and travel all the time.

    I don't usually deal with carrier contracts, but even if I decided to try going onto a contract to get the 5S I would feel severely disappointed, and then what would I do when the iPhone 6 came out?
    I found a T-Mobile contract free (Otherwise known as unlocked) 5S, in Gold, available right now.



    Try harder.
    10-28-2013 09:27 PM
  23. Auturi's Avatar
    It is the T-Mobile contract free version. Just get it and pretend it doesn't have a SIM card in it. It is the same exact thing. It is already unlocked.
    I find that questionable. But I'll take your word for it. That being said, I still wouldn't buy it. Because I want to SIM free unlocked version I don't want to pretend. In Canada, you can still get them. I don't know what's going on in the US with the 5S.

    I found a T-Mobile contract free (Otherwise known as unlocked) 5S, in Gold, available right now.

    http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps4492efb2.png

    Try harder.
    Hmm. That's great that you found that. But I was never going to take a chance on buying a T-Mobile iPhone. I don't do carriers. Especially not T-Mobile.
    10-28-2013 09:28 PM
  24. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I find that questionable. But I'll take your word for it. That being said, I still wouldn't buy it. Because I want to SIM free unlocked version I don't want to pretend. In Canada, you can still get them. I don't know what's going on in the US with the 5S.
    Buy a contract free T Mobile version. If it isn't unlocked, give me your info along with your receipt and I will send you $5,000.
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    10-28-2013 09:32 PM
  25. Auturi's Avatar
    Buy a contract free T Mobile version. If it isn't unlocked, give me your info along with your receipt and I will send you $5,000.
    LOL, that's nice. But let me tell you why I wouldn't of took a chance on getting that. We don't know what they do to these phones, do you mean to tell me that the T-Mobile contract free version is it made to work on T-Mobile only, is it really an unlocked phone? With all of the LTE bands to go with it? Last I heard, with the T-Mobile version of the iPhone it was only working with T-Mobile and you couldn't use it outside of the U.S. it was incapable of international LTE.

    I just like to play by the rules when it comes to unlocked phones, I really wanted the Apple branded SIM free unlocked phone. If you go to the Apple Store and ask for an unlocked phone they're going to tell you that the T-Mobile version is not sold as unlocked. They're not going to sell it to you as such.

    And I'm not even going to get into trying to get the Verizon or AT&T or Sprint unlocked phones, because you know how horribly contrived that would be. It's not even an option.
    10-28-2013 09:37 PM
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