1. oalvarez's Avatar
    It's just the future and should be on the first iPhone, which is supposed to be 5 years ahead, right?
    does it need to be on the phone or do you just think it should be on the phone?

    the iPhone is selling without it.

    on the other hand, those devices with it aren't selling as much as the iPhone right now, are they?
    07-04-2007 02:59 PM
  2. Malatesta's Avatar
    does it need to be on the phone or do you just think it should be on the phone?
    Can't you ask that about every feature on the iPhone? Safari? YouTube? CoverFlow?

    Doesn't that make your question somewhat vacuous?
    the iPhone is selling without it.
    So...you're fine if Apple never updates the iPhone again then? If they never put A2DP in their deices?

    Would this be your answer if you worked for the iPhone development team? "The iPhone is selling without it."

    After all, it sold 750,000 devices, so therefore it must not need any updates, fixes or additional functionality. Numbers trump all debate.
    on the other hand, those devices with it aren't selling as much as the iPhone right now, are they?
    Once again, I guess numbers trump debate.

    A 2.5 g device is outselling all 3g devices, so I guess we don't need 3g then either? I hope Apple is listening, they shouldn't bother with anything else since they are selling like hotcakes.

    The point of the A2DP discussion is the following:

    - if anyone could get A2DP right, it would probably be Apple (since they'll sell you a $200 headset too)
    - if anyone could get A2DP mainstream, it'd be Apple with the popularity of the iPhone
    - if you are buying a $600+ media device that already has BT, expecting A2DP is not far-fetched, especially since even cheap devices like the RAZR have it.

    Finally, no one will deny how convenient streaming your iPod to wireless headphones would be. And you just know when Apple does release it, for the masses it'll be welcomed and hailed as a killer app on the device (heck, people will probably think they invented it).

    And when it does come to the iPhone probably via an update, what will happen to the perceived strength of these arguments:

    - But does the iPhone need it?
    - Only 1% of the population use it
    - No one knows what it is
    - Many of million of iPod users are fine without it

    They will disappear b/c they have no value and everyone will be loving streaming BT audio.

    Is all of this an argument against the iPhone as a whole? No, not at all. But it is a criticism that is valid.
    07-04-2007 04:30 PM
  3. cmaier's Avatar
    For what little it's worth, i can honestly say that i would be happy without a2dp on the iphone. I appreciate that for others this is a much-desired feature.

    In my case, I drive a $100k sports car with no support for it and I prefer my ultimateears in-ear earphones to any wireless headphones currently available, for sound quality.

    Someday, when I get a new car, I suspect the technology will be more ubiquitous, and, when that day comes, I may look for a phone with that feature. But, frankly, unless the memory capacity on the phone also goes way up, i'll continue to use an 80GB ipod for my music in the car, since I prefer to have my entire music collection with me to be able to play any song on a whim, and the iphone's 8GB ain't gonna cut it. And, given that fact, I'd be just as, if not more, happy plugging into an aux jack, since i keep the ipod cradled for power, anyway.

    I wonder for how many people who bought iphones, the iphone is their primary music player? I'm thinking i'll just keep 500-1000 of my favorite songs on it, a couple of movies at any time for when i'm stuck on a plane, and that's it.

    Short of it is, in my case, I'd much rather have a 60GB iphone w/o A2DP than an 8GB w/ A2DP. It all comes down to how individuals fit these things into their routines.
    07-04-2007 04:41 PM
  4. oalvarez's Avatar
    Can't you ask that about every feature on the iPhone? Safari? YouTube? CoverFlow?
    i was responding to a poster's concern that bluetooth/wireless/r2d2-c3p0 was somehow ommitted from the iPhone. the features that the device does come with seem to be sufficient for those buyers this go around.


    So...you're fine if Apple never updates the iPhone again then? If they never put A2DP in their deices?
    ABSOLUTELY! and it seems this way for anyone who bought this iteration of the device....now you might be understanding the point i'm trying to make. go to the other boards....do they have to have it today? no, most people seem quite content with the current version. will anyone discourage further advancement and implementation? of course not, it will be met with further cheer.


    Would this be your answer if you worked for the iPhone development team? "The iPhone is selling without it."
    i'd be happy with the success of the launch....perhaps their marketing studies didn't suggest that they had to do more at this point.

    After all, it sold 750,000 devices, so therefore it must not need any updates, fixes or additional functionality. Numbers trump all debate.Once again, I guess numbers trump debate
    yes, for me numbers are very telling.

    Finally, no one will deny how convenient streaming your iPod to wireless headphones would be. And you just know when Apple does release it, for the masses it'll be welcomed and hailed as a killer app on the device (heck, people will probably think they invented it).
    why does that bother so many people around here? who cares if the consumer thinks apple invented it. doesn't it only matter to you who really did? i personally like quality, wired, earpieces. i don't care that they're wired. but hey, that's just me. if they want to come out with the same quality earpieces that i currently use, great! but i don't require them to make a purchasing decision, today.

    this is all so tiring. i like the iPhone and i like it a lot. OTHER PEOPLE like it a lot. having said that, it will not replace my day to day blackberry for business purposes at this juncture. phone, email, internet, music.....simple needs, simple device in a slim form factor very much unlike a Treo.

    i like it and that's all i care about. why so much hate and argument over what it should have been and what it has to be is beyond me.

    happy Fourth!
    07-04-2007 05:37 PM
  5. llarson's Avatar
    Read my postings. I've criticized it plenty. No 3G sucks. No third party applications suck. Many useful features are missing. Many other things don't quite work as one would hope. I just am sick of rhetorical nonsense like "it doesn't have feature X therefore anyone who buys one is an uneducated person who only cares about fashion" or "it doesn't have feature X (which 1% of the population gives a heck about) therefore it sucks."

    Also, this is an iphone website (phonedifferent), but at least half the people commenting have no iphone, have no interest in buying an iphone, never will buy an iphone, and have nothing better to do than post negatively about iphones.
    No third party apps I believe means a more stable OS. Install all the 3rd party apps on a 700P and watch that thing crash reset all day. Many post on the Treo boards on how people solved the reset issue....DON'T INSTALL 3rd PARTY APPS.

    Not a problem for me as I bought the phone with the hope Apple will start to pump out widgets for it.

    If they don't I might move on to a better phone when one comes out.
    07-04-2007 06:52 PM
  6. llarson's Avatar
    Can't you ask that about every feature on the iPhone? Safari? YouTube? CoverFlow?

    Doesn't that make your question somewhat vacuous?

    So...you're fine if Apple never updates the iPhone again then? If they never put A2DP in their deices?

    Would this be your answer if you worked for the iPhone development team? "The iPhone is selling without it."

    After all, it sold 750,000 devices, so therefore it must not need any updates, fixes or additional functionality. Numbers trump all debate.

    Once again, I guess numbers trump debate.

    A 2.5 g device is outselling all 3g devices, so I guess we don't need 3g then either? I hope Apple is listening, they shouldn't bother with anything else since they are selling like hotcakes.

    The point of the A2DP discussion is the following:

    - if anyone could get A2DP right, it would probably be Apple (since they'll sell you a $200 headset too)
    - if anyone could get A2DP mainstream, it'd be Apple with the popularity of the iPhone
    - if you are buying a $600+ media device that already has BT, expecting A2DP is not far-fetched, especially since even cheap devices like the RAZR have it.

    Finally, no one will deny how convenient streaming your iPod to wireless headphones would be. And you just know when Apple does release it, for the masses it'll be welcomed and hailed as a killer app on the device (heck, people will probably think they invented it).

    And when it does come to the iPhone probably via an update, what will happen to the perceived strength of these arguments:

    - But does the iPhone need it?
    - Only 1% of the population use it
    - No one knows what it is
    - Many of million of iPod users are fine without it

    They will disappear b/c they have no value and everyone will be loving streaming BT audio.

    Is all of this an argument against the iPhone as a whole? No, not at all. But it is a criticism that is valid.
    I only listen to my iPOD now iPHONE on the plane for travel. When on the plane I have a set of very nice Bose noise reduction headphones. Any other time I listen to my music on the iPOD/iPHONE is in my car through my radio.

    I know a lot of people listen to it on the way to work on the train or walking/running so I am sure they would love A2DP. How many bluetooth A2DP headsets are out on the market now anyways?
    07-04-2007 07:00 PM
  7. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    The last statement is a little slanted but we have all heard of th law suites and I wonder what would happen if Dell wanted to start selling Linux boxes on par with Windows?
    Looks like nothing would happen.
    How many bluetooth A2DP headsets are out on the market now anyways?
    Oh, a couple maybe :shake: (thanks to Ree Nigne):

    1. Plantronics Pulsar 590A
    2. Bluetake i-PHONO BT420EX
    3. Logitech
    4. Motorola HT820
    5. Creative Labs CB2530
    6. Iogear
    7. naviPlay by +Ten
    8. Bluetake BT450RX
    9. SonyEricsson HBH-DS970
    10. Jabra BT620
    11. AirCable HiFi
    12. iTech (S38, R35 and BluePro)
    13. Sonorix
    14. Globalsat BTH-820
    15. Nokia HS-12W
    16. Bluewalker BW-MP02
    17. Motorola Talk & Tunes Calling Kit
    18. Samsung SBH-100
    19. Koss Cobalt
    20. Sony DR-BT30Q
    07-04-2007 09:26 PM
  8. braj's Avatar
    A2DP is not some obscure thing that won't be used for years, it's here now.
    07-04-2007 10:23 PM
  9. cmaier's Avatar
    Poorly-written third party apps are certainly a problem. But in palm's case, the apps crashed out of the box. I'll take chatter over versamail any day for stability (not to mention functionality!)

    And there are a lot of really great bulletproof apps for palm - when was the last time bejeweled crashed on you? :-)

    Plus, third party apps takes the pressure off of apple to try to make the phone, out-of-the-box, please everyone. Those of us who want something like splashid to store our passwords can just add it. If someone wants to port tcmp over so we can watch a wider variety of movie formats, no problem. And if sling wants to provide a client, great.

    As it is, we're currently stuck with whatever apple decides to spend their time on (and, presumably, third parties who are lucky enough to get in on the deal with apple).

    In the end, though, I fully expect third party apps, even if it is not a palm-style widely distributed API. The revenue model for apple (allowing us to buy these apps in the itunes store, and cutting out handango and the like) is just too good for them.

    No third party apps I believe means a more stable OS. Install all the 3rd party apps on a 700P and watch that thing crash reset all day. Many post on the Treo boards on how people solved the reset issue....DON'T INSTALL 3rd PARTY APPS.

    Not a problem for me as I bought the phone with the hope Apple will start to pump out widgets for it.

    If they don't I might move on to a better phone when one comes out.
    07-04-2007 10:24 PM
  10. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    why so much hate and argument over what it should have been and what it has to be is beyond me.

    happy Fourth!
    1. The high price. SE's unlocked phones are the same price and offer the features Apple decided not to include for some reason. IM, MMS, 3G and A2DP are standard on the new hot SE phones. Also on some Nokias. Even the new Motos! And IM is now a standard even on crappy phones!

    2. Jobs hailed it as something revolutionary. So some people expected a more complete phone. Some just don't care due to the cool screen, but others are looking beyond the pretty face.
    07-04-2007 11:59 PM
  11. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    1. The high price. SE's unlocked phones are the same price and offer the features Apple decided not to include for some reason. IM, MMS, 3G and A2DP are standard on the new hot SE phones. Also on some Nokias. Even the new Motos! And IM is now a standard even on crappy phones!
    A2DP is important to something close to < 1% i imagine. It will be important eventually, but iv only seen one person ever using a stereo bluetooth headset. 3G would have been nice, but the EDGE experience has been pretty good. I expect an IM app and MMS capability to come in an update, those are both glaring omitions IMHO.

    2. Jobs hailed it as something revolutionary. So some people expected a more complete phone. Some just don't care due to the cool screen, but others are looking beyond the pretty face.
    It is pretty revolutionary. It does look very cool and has a beautiful screen, but people are falling in love with the functionality. The ease of use and the user experience is so much better than other phones its really quite amazing.
    07-05-2007 12:07 AM
  12. cmaier's Avatar
    I'm kind of reminded of two other situtions in my past. I'm a geek. I design microprocessors for AMD, write operating systems, and buy lots of electronic toys.

    In 1997 or so I started using a creative labs mp3 player. Can't even remember the model, but it looked like a cd player and had a hard drive. It had a ton of features. I scoffed at ipod when it came out. "What do you mean you can't do on-the-fly playlists? How are you supposed to control things when there are so few buttons?" A couple years later i got tired of jumping through hoops to get my music onto the thing and having to constantly tell it to rebuild the library because songs would mysteriously disappear off the thing, and I got an ipod. While I missed some features, overall I found myself enjoying my mp3 experience more because it required so much less effort on my part.


    Later I got a pocket pc. Later i got a second one. I learned to program it in c++, grew to appreciate the api, but eventually got annoyed at bizarre user interface inconsistencies, activesync hassles, random crashes, and the like. So when it came time to get a smartphone I went with samsung's sph-i500, a palm phone. And I learned to program that, too, and while the API sucked, and the phone had fewer features, what was there just plain worked a lot better. Fewer crashes, fewer clicks to do common things, etc. So my next phone was a treo 650.

    But palm stopped evolving about three years ago, their announced future plans are alternately incomplete or laughable, and the software and hacks to bring the functionality up-to-date are getting kludgier and more unstable. Windows mobile is very powerful, but I am still not happy with the inelegance of its design and interface.

    My iphones won't arrive until friday, so i have no idea if I will find this to be a similar situation. And I have no doubt that if apple never releases another firmware update, then iphone won't be a suitable device for me. But I am hopeful that, for the most part, the iphone will be a step up in ease of use and simplicity, I'll know soon enough.

    And I think that many people who are buying these phones on the basis of their interface are not just doing so because of the "ooh" factor, but are hopeful that the iphone will live up to its obvious potential to simplify at least part of their lives.
    07-05-2007 12:22 AM
  13. oalvarez's Avatar
    1. The high price. SE's unlocked phones are the same price and offer the features Apple decided not to include for some reason. IM, MMS, 3G and A2DP are standard on the new hot SE phones. Also on some Nokias. Even the new Motos! And IM is now a standard even on crappy phones!

    2. Jobs hailed it as something revolutionary. So some people expected a more complete phone. Some just don't care due to the cool screen, but others are looking beyond the pretty face.
    high price, perhaps on a comparative basis. but to hate a device because of its high price and lack of features that you point to above? it has SMS, it allows for transmission of pictures via email....yes, WE ALL GET THE 3G issue but EDGE has been surprising to say the least.

    it IS revolutionary in that the user interface and the user experience that comes with it TRUMPS all other devices i've ever owned, and i've owned quite a few ( beyond those in my sig....ppc6600, i730, etc). it is not just the "cool screen" as you call it nor the pretty face, it's the experience that some are finding to be that much different than what they were used to.

    only the others wished they could have developed such a "cool screen" first.
    07-05-2007 01:04 AM
  14. Merovingian's Avatar
    Why would I take a bet I would lose. Apple has bet on the stupidity of the public, and that is a bet no-one can ever lose.

    Surur
    So right, mate. So right.
    Some folks are justifying the lack of 3rd party apps as a security measure. Yet OS X thrives not only on the few Apple provided apps but by the sweat of other folks who write great apps that make OS X much better to like. Simple example, Firefox browser.

    Anyway back on topic, i read a remark from someone else that Apple could package a chunk of $..T, label it iCrap and hordes of iFolks would still buy it.

    By the way, las time i checked, it took a certain influential someone, quote "34 finger taps and 10 mode changes" just to insert a period (or full stop) using the keyboard.
    http://missingmanuals.com/pogues_awe...g_shortcut.csp
    07-07-2007 03:21 PM
  15. oalvarez's Avatar
    ^so how do you like your iPhone? what is your biggest disappointment?
    07-07-2007 03:39 PM
  16. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    Anyway back on topic, i read a remark from someone else that Apple could package a chunk of $..T, label it iCrap and hordes of iFolks would still buy it.
    This tired, old assertion has never been true. Apple fans get excited about new products because Apple rarely disappoints and usually beats expectations. When they do drop the ball Apple fans are their harshest critics.
    07-07-2007 05:31 PM
  17. Certs's Avatar
    Anyway back on topic, i read a remark from someone else that Apple could package a chunk of $..T, label it iCrap and hordes of iFolks would still buy it.
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    I believe its called appletv and no one bought it. Or was that the newton? :o

    34 taps to type a period? And that person gets taken seriously? It's a 1-tap step, I can assure you. The last time I tapped a button 34 times was when I was trying to wake my treo up once. Or answer a call when it started to freeze. Or try and shut a reminder off. I'll stop now
    07-07-2007 06:16 PM
  18. AnteL0pe's Avatar
    34 taps to type a period? And that person gets taken seriously?
    The 34 taps were to type "a P.O. Box in the U.S.A.". Just after that he explains a trick to accomplish the same task using just one click per character.
    07-07-2007 06:23 PM
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