1. mikec#IM's Avatar
    There you go. As close as everybody is going to get from you that you have repeatedly lied about your iPhone usage. You have no real knowledge about the browser. Can we move on now?

    Once you apologize, we can move on.
    08-06-2007 03:32 PM
  2. mobileman's Avatar
    One example:

    Hold iPhone in one hand (portrait)
    Go to site (I won't even go into typing it/ bookmark is fine)
    Resize said site (thumbs taps)
    Move around (thumb gestures, drag).
    Rotate to landscape (now the heel of you hand is either at top or bottom of screen. Thumb movement is awkward)
    Try tapping ans dragging repeatedly.

    The simple answer to this is to just use two hands.

    It's so obvious, are you sure YOU even own and iPhone?



    Now if you have some 7 inch monkey thumb, I suppose it's not too bad.
    Anybody that has used an iPhone (unlike you), will tell you many of these steps are often not need. Most of the time I go to the site, I double tap once in the middle of the page, and it fits the screen fine. I scroll up and down very easily with one finger. When you finally do try out an iPhone you will see how incorrect you have been (or is it lying). Let us know then. Maybe when you do your next sales rearch trip to the apple store you can spend some time with the actual device.

    You also can avoid almost everything you posted about by not going to the horizontal mode. I prefer to browse vertically, and can be handled very well with one hand. Give it a go and try an actual device out Mike. You might like it.
    08-06-2007 03:40 PM
  3. braj's Avatar
    Expected content of the next 15 posts :

    mikec: are you sure you have an iPhone?
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    08-06-2007 03:43 PM
  4. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Anybody that has used an iPhone (unlike you), will tell you many of these steps are often not need. Most of the time I go to the site, I double tap once in the middle of the page, and it fits the screen fine. I scroll up and down very easily with one finger. When you finally do try out an iPhone you will see how incorrect you have been (or is it lying). Let us know then. Maybe when you do your next sales rearch trip to the apple store you can spend some time with the actual device.

    You also can avoid almost everything you posted about by not going to the horizontal mode. I prefer to browse vertically, and can be handled very well with one hand. Give it a go and try an actual device out Mike. You might like it.
    Um, you asked for an example. I provide. Instead of saying "oh yea, that's correct.", you spin and spin.

    If it works for you, fine. I just find it a little too "interactive". And yes, i still stand by my statement that one-handed use of the iPhone is not the wonderful nirvana you make it out to be.
    08-06-2007 03:44 PM
  5. Mike Overbo's Avatar
    Two-handed is not a lie. "For the most part" is the piece you miss. And didn't that other fellow (vint?) just imply such? If it was so easy to use one handed, I think more people would be weighing in on this.

    Please explain how you pinch to zoom with one hand? (unless you iPhone is laying on another surface.)
    I can pinch to zoom in or out with thumb and index finger while anchoring the iphone on my palm with the other 3 fingers. While it's not the most convenient movement, it's doable, works, and is necessary for 1-handed use in iSafari.

    I dunno; maybe your experience has been different than mine, but I haven't had any problems using the iphone 1 handed. I'd say 1 handed thumb typing is actually easier on the iphone than it was on the treo, due to the extra space beneath the bottom of the virtual keyboard.
    08-06-2007 03:46 PM
  6. mobileman's Avatar
    Expected content of the next 15 posts :

    mikec: are you sure you have an iPhone?
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
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    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    mobileman: Liar
    mikec: Liar
    Liar.
    08-06-2007 03:48 PM
  7. braj's Avatar
    Braj, I invite you to try it yourself at the apple store. You will see for yourself, that Mikes comments are not based on reality.
    I did try it out and personally, I don't see how you really can effectively use the iPhone with one hand most of the time. But then most of the time I use two hands on my Treo anyway, so except for some situations it isn't that huge of an issue for me.

    But you responded to my post without acknowledging you were wrong aboout what Mike had said, and since my post you continue to say he is a liar. You really have lost it here dude, you were caught saying an untruth (I'm not saying you were lying) but you continue to call mikec's opinions lies. Give up calling him a liar. You may disagree but he's not lying.
    08-06-2007 03:49 PM
  8. mobileman's Avatar
    Um, you asked for an example. I provide. Instead of saying "oh yea, that's correct.", you spin and spin.

    If it works for you, fine. I just find it a little too "interactive". And yes, i still stand by my statement that one-handed use of the iPhone is not the wonderful nirvana you make it out to be.
    I asked for an example that shows how people really use the iPhone, not some strange combination of techniques that are not common. Go try an iPhone.
    08-06-2007 03:50 PM
  9. mobileman's Avatar
    I did try it out and personally, I don't see how you really can effectively use the iPhone with one hand most of the time. But then most of the time I use two hands on my Treo anyway, so except for some situations it isn't that huge of an issue for me.

    But you responded to my post without acknowledging you were wrong aboout what Mike had said, and since my post you continue to say he is a liar. You really have lost it here dude, you were caught saying an untruth (I'm not saying you were lying) but you continue to call mikec's opinions lies. Give up calling him a liar. You may disagree but he's not lying.
    I use the iPhone everyday. More than a quick fifteen minute trial in the apple store. I browse very well one handed. Maybe you have some type of strange muscular problem that forces you to browse with your device with two hands. Afterall, you use two hands for your treo (can't seem to figure out why).


    MikeC is lying because he is posting things here that are not true. I have no idea about the rest of your paragraph because it is kind of unreadable.
    08-06-2007 03:53 PM
  10. braj's Avatar
    I use the iPhone everyday. More than a quick fifteen minute trial in the apple store. I browse very well one handed. Maybe you have some type of strange muscular problem that forces you to browse with your device with two hands. Afterall, you use two hands for your treo (can't seem to figure out why).


    MikeC is lying because he is posting things here that are not true. I have no idea about the rest of your paragraph because it is kind of unreadable.
    I didn't say browsing specifically, but I'm sure doing a pinch is much easier with two hands as the device really was designed for two handed use. I'm sure you'll agree is more functional with two hands.
    08-06-2007 04:02 PM
  11. mobileman's Avatar
    I didn't say browsing specifically, but I'm sure doing a pinch is much easier with two hands as the device really was designed for two handed use. I'm sure you'll agree is more functional with two hands.

    No you said...
    I did try it out and personally, I don't see how you really can effectively use the iPhone with one hand most of the time.
    As an iPhone user, I can say you are wrong. I very rarely pinch, and I browse one-handed all the time. If you and Mikey don't want to accept that, so be it. After all, that would take away from proving how difficult and awkward the browsing experience is on the iPhone.
    08-06-2007 04:06 PM
  12. Malatesta's Avatar
    It is strange how in some threads you claim you want higher resolution, and here you say it really doesn't matter though.
    I call your bluff.

    Show me the threads where I say, I personally, must have a higher resolution on my device.

    The only thing I can think of is my disappointment with the Mogul as I thought if it were to be really a huge improvement, they should have put in a higher resolution screen (although they did improve the quality and brightness). Just like it would have been nice to have GPS too. I don't want a Mogul though due to form-factor, not because of the screen. I never had an intention of getting one.

    If I really wanted a high resolution device and it was important or a priority for me, I would simply use my Moto Q or 6700 or even my 650 (the Moto Q screen, btw, is brilliant looking). It's not so I use my 700wx.

    But prove me otherwise.
    08-06-2007 04:06 PM
  13. mobileman's Avatar
    I call your bluff.

    Show me the threads where I say, I personally, must have a higher resolution on my device.
    First, you show me the thread where I claimed you said "I must have a higher resolution".
    08-06-2007 04:10 PM
  14. Malatesta's Avatar
    First, you show me the thread where I claimed you said "I must have a higher resolution".
    It is strange how in some threads you claim you want higher resolution, and here you say it really doesn't matter though.
    Where do I claim I want a higher resolution? (and was it for my device? Or was I commenting on another one?

    Lets reword your statement:

    some threads you claim you want higher resolution
    vs
    some threads I claim I want a higher resolution.

    And what threads?

    How is it "strange"? You are implying I contradict myself. Complete your argument.

    Then there's that part about me saying "it doesn't really matter", which is only part of it:
    For myself, resolution is not a huge deal. Higher is nicer but it really comes down to what you use the device for: media/entertainment or email/business/PIM.
    08-06-2007 04:16 PM
  15. braj's Avatar
    No you said...

    As an iPhone user, I can say you are wrong. I very rarely pinch, and I browse one-handed all the time. If you and Mikey don't want to accept that, so be it. After all, that would take away from proving how difficult and awkward the browsing experience is on the iPhone.
    OK, no problem, I'll ammend my statement to say "I did try it out and personally, I don't see how I could really effectively use the iPhone with one hand most of the time." This was my mistake and I really did mean 'I' when I originally posted. Sorry.

    Now, I don't know how old you are but I'm planning on not contorting my hands in yet another inconvenient way lest I harm the already shaky health of my hands just to prove I can use a device made for two handed use with one hand. Plus it sounds like dropping the phone while trying top hold it and pinch one-handed might be easily done. I'd just be safe an use two hands, no big deal most of the time.

    Now, to address a larger issue, you can definitely say someone is wrong but calling someone a liar seems rather over the edge. You may think mikec is full of **** and that's your right, but you seem to be very antagonistic and it really seems unwarranted.

    **** You are a very troubled person BTW. Get some help
    08-06-2007 04:17 PM
  16. mobileman's Avatar
    OK, no problem, I'll ammend my statement to say "I did try it out and personally, I don't see how I could really effectively use the iPhone with one hand most of the time." This was my mistake and I really did me 'I' when I originally posted. Sorry.

    Now, I don't know how old you are but I'm planning on not contorting my hands in yet another inconvenient way lest I harm the already shaky health of my hands just to prove I can use a device made for two handed use with one hand. Plus it sounds like dropping the phone while trying top hold it and pinch one-handed might be easily done. I'd just be safe an use two hands, no big deal most of the time.

    Now, to address a larger issue, you can definitely say someone is wrong but calling someone a liar seems rather over the edge. You may think mikec is full of **** and that's your right, but you seem to be very antagonistic and it really seems unwarranted.

    ** You are a very troubled person BTW. Get some help.
    Your giving me a lesson about being antagonistic, in the same post you tell me to get some help? Hypocrite.
    08-06-2007 04:20 PM
  17. braj's Avatar
    Your giving me a lesson about being antagonistic, in the same post you tell me to get some help? Hypocrite.
    That was a joke/jab at mikec. The **** was supposed to be like a legend. I was fixing it and adding the to make it a more obvious joke when you posted.
    08-06-2007 04:22 PM
  18. mobileman's Avatar
    Where do I claim I want a higher resolution? (and was it for my device? Or was I commenting on another one?

    Lets reword your statement:

    some threads you claim you want higher resolution
    vs
    some threads I claim I want a higher resolution.

    And what threads?

    How is it "strange"? You are implying I contradict myself. Complete your argument.

    Then there's that part about me saying "it doesn't really matter", which is only part of it:
    Actually, lets reword your original statement when you said.....
    Show me the threads where I say, I personally, must have a higher resolution on my device.
    Because I never said that. Becareful trying to reword my statements when you got them so very wrong to begin with.
    08-06-2007 04:29 PM
  19. CountBuggula's Avatar
    So is it about time for the Mods to lock this thread down? The last 30 pages have been nothing but a pissing contest between a few people, with the occasional additional quote from Surur as if nothing else was going on. I enjoyed the humor of it for awhile, but there's only so much of calling each other a lier back and forth before it gets really old.
    08-06-2007 04:34 PM
  20. Malatesta's Avatar
    Actually, lets reword your original statement when you said.....


    Because I never said that. Becareful trying to reword my statements when you got them so very wrong to begin with.
    Oh you are not getting out of this that easily...

    (1) How is my rewording incorrect? Did I ever attribute a quote to you or did I paraphrase?
    (2) What then was your original intent of the statement? To prove what?
    (3) What threads are you referring to anyways?
    (4) What devices are we talking about?
    (5) Why is it strange?

    Finally, how do these statements differ:

    "some threads you claim you want higher resolution"

    vs

    some threads I claim I want a higher resolution.

    So which threads do "I claim I want a higher resolution"?

    As far as rewording, take your own advice then:

    ... and here you say it really doesn't matter though.
    Where did I ever say "it really doesn't matter"?

    Show me that one.
    08-06-2007 04:38 PM
  21. mobileman's Avatar
    So is it about time for the Mods to lock this thread down? The last 30 pages have been nothing but a pissing contest between a few people, with the occasional additional quote from Surur as if nothing else was going on. I enjoyed the humor of it for awhile, but there's only so much of calling each other a lier back and forth before it gets really old.
    To make everybody's life easier I will bow out from posting here. This way you can all post away about the iPhone and its lacking features. Hopefully, they will be based in reality, and truthful.

    Edit*. Mal, look back about five or six pages ago. I quoted you in there, and asked for your reasoning. You never responded. Its the same thing I'm asking now.
    08-06-2007 04:40 PM
  22. Malatesta's Avatar
    Edit*. Mal, look back about five or six pages ago. I quoted you in there, and asked for your reasoning. You never responded. Its the same thing I'm asking now.
    Okay, found it. Lets look at the facts:

    (1) You found one thread. Singular not plural.
    (2) I was critiquing the Kaiser, not my current device
    (3) I make no mention of me wanting higher resolution for myself, just a critique of the Kaiser (It's GSM after all and I'm Sprint).

    Interesting, your posted this on another forum.....

    You seem to wanted a higher res. screen here.
    Lets look at the entire relevant quote (Mobileman edited to fit his point):
    I think the Kaiser is really a great device. The camera is fantastic and the specs are all there (could use a higher rez screen though). As I've said dozens of times...too bad this isn't the Sprint Mogul. :thumbsdn:
    So somehow, I seem to be contradicting myself, even though after I critique one aspect I then praise the device and mention how I wish Sprint was getting it.

    I think it's safe to say, Mobileman was, if not lying, certainly reading into things and forcing his own interpretation.

    Yes, higher resolution screens are nice. No, for myself, they are not a priority. If they were, as I maintained, I would use my higher-rez 6700, 650 or Moto Q.
    08-06-2007 04:57 PM
  23. mobileman's Avatar
    Okay, found it. Lets look at the facts:

    (1) You found one thread. Singular not plural.
    (2) I was critiquing the Kaiser, not my current device
    (3) I make no mention of me wanting higher resolution for myself, just a critique of the Kaiser (It's GSM after all and I'm Sprint).



    Lets look at the entire relevant quote (Mobileman edited to fit his point):


    So somehow, I seem to be contradicting myself, even though after I critique one aspect I then praise the device and mention how I wish Sprint was getting it.

    I think it's safe to say, Mobileman was, if not lying, certainly reading into things and forcing his own interpretation.

    Yes, higher resolution screens are nice. No, for myself, they are not a priority. If they were, as I maintained, I would use my higher-rez 6700, 650 or Moto Q.
    I know I said I will stop posting here, but I must defend myself to this type of crazy attack from Mally. Simple as this....

    1. You claim that higher resolutions dont really matter on cell phones.
    2. I see in a different thread, you previewed the Kaiser and claimed you would like to see a higher resolution.

    These two things clearly contradict each other. So call me a liar, all you want Mally, but your own words contradict.

    EDIT*. I also find it funny that you claim I edited your quote to fit my point, but you just make up a quote and claim it was from me. Funny stuff Mally.
    08-06-2007 05:01 PM
  24. braj's Avatar
    Higher resolutions may not matter on a cel phone, but when looking at a device and weighing the costs and placement in the market, I might demand a high-res screen on a $600 phone and be very happy with a much smaller screen on something that costs $100. Context.
    08-06-2007 05:05 PM
  25. Malatesta's Avatar
    I know I said I will stop posting here, but I must defend myself to this type of crazy attack from Mally. Simple as this....

    1. You claim that higher resolutions dont really matter on cell phones.
    2. I see in a different thread, you previewed the Kaiser and claimed you would like to see a higher resolution.

    These two things clearly contradict each other. So call me a liar, all you want Mally, but your own words contradict.
    You want it to be a contradiction, but unless you can't comprehend I said this earlier today, without being provoked to defend my views on resolution:
    For myself, resolution is not a huge deal. Higher is nicer but it really comes down to what you use the device for: media/entertainment or email/business/PIM.
    You responded to that quote (#2548) so you obviously did read it.

    How is that contradictory?
    (1) Resolution for myself, not a big deal. The fact I use a 240x240 device attests to this statement.
    (2) Higher resolution is nice, but it's up to the users vs. their needs

    Yes, most cell phones i.e. from the razrs up to some smart-devices, don't need that a high resolution. It's nice, but for just reading email and PIM, not huge.

    But for an entertainment device ala iPhone, higher resolution is more relevant.

    Continue to defend...
    08-06-2007 05:10 PM
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