1. Malatesta's Avatar
    When did MS/Palm/HTC/etc makes these firmware updates available over the air?
    The question has been answered already: with WM6 in March.

    And earlier here.

    And actually Sprint has OTA firmware updates for their regular phones since early 2005.

    So big deal.
    06-18-2007 08:06 PM
  2. C201's Avatar
    The one with which you offered this ridiculous reply

    Are you really that lazy?
    06-18-2007 08:07 PM
  3. surur's Avatar
    The one with which you offered this ridiculous reply

    Are you really that lazy?
    Or maybe you need to clarify?

    Surur
    06-18-2007 08:11 PM
  4. C201's Avatar
    The question has been answered already: with WM6 in March.

    And earlier here.

    And actually Sprint has OTA firmware updates for their regular phones since last year.
    Where on the Microsoft site is the cab for WM6 available for OTA download? I'd like to get it. Thanks. :thumbsup:
    06-18-2007 08:11 PM
  5. oalvarez's Avatar
    i have a pc w/xp. i have a mac w/osx. what have "i" witnessed? that i'm constantly receiving windows xp updates and with my mac i am not.

    why is that?
    06-18-2007 08:15 PM
  6. braj's Avatar
    C201 just earned the exalted position as the first person on my ignore list. What a jerk.
    06-18-2007 08:16 PM
  7. surur's Avatar
    i have a pc w/xp. i have a mac w/osx. what have "i" witnessed? that i'm constantly receiving windows xp updates and with my mac i am not.

    why is that?
    There were a huge number of Mac updates this year, at least once per month.

    Are you basically saying your mac is unpatched?

    Surur
    06-18-2007 08:16 PM
  8. C201's Avatar
    It was a very politely worded elementary question that is being avoided like the plague. Why is that, I wonder ... HHhhhmmmm
    06-18-2007 08:17 PM
  9. Malatesta's Avatar
    Where on the Microsoft site is the cab for WM6 available for OTA download? I'd like to get it. Thanks. :thumbsup:
    You are obviously not following:

    Network Operators (Sprint, Verizon, T-mobile and even AT&T) will not allow Firmware updates that are not carrier-approved to roll out.

    In order to get "carrier approval" you need to submit it to extensive carrier testing, as well as carrier customizations that they request. This costs everyone money: Carriers and manufactures (who need to customize WM for every device).

    Apple has by-passed this in two ways: they have their own servers on AT&Ts network, which was contingent on their using AT&T. There is no AT&T approval for the iPhone since Apple has literally walled them off from touching the OS at all.

    Since the iPhone is only on 1 carrier with their own servers, it is logically easier to roll out updates. It's convenient yet not practical for multi-operator roll outs, hence their exclusivity.

    WM6 has a OTA WinUpdater built in to it to allow updates to the OS regardless of carriers.

    WM5 --> WM6 upgrades to devices are dependent NOT on MS but on the manufacturer (to customize) and the Network Operator.

    You need to learn details and context. And if you have a Dash, a Blackjack and soon a 750, I can direct you to a free update for the OS to get WM6.
    06-18-2007 08:18 PM
  10. surur's Avatar
    Where on the Microsoft site is the cab for WM6 available for OTA download? I'd like to get it. Thanks. :thumbsup:
    Oh, so the important part is not the update, but that it comes over the air. Why? Especially over your EDGE connection that will really suck, and some people actually pay for mobile bandwidth.

    And you know Apple will do OTA updates? Why?

    Surur
    06-18-2007 08:19 PM
  11. C201's Avatar
    The question remains unanswered:

    When did MS/Palm/HTC/etc makes these firmware updates available over the air [either via carrier or direct]?
    Simple, no?
    06-18-2007 08:20 PM
  12. oalvarez's Avatar
    There were a huge number of Mac updates this year, at least once per month.

    Are you basically saying your mac is unpatched?

    Surur
    "constantly" was the qualifier

    but you still fail to answer why there are so many windows updates

    why is that?
    06-18-2007 08:22 PM
  13. surur's Avatar
    "constantly" was the qualifier

    but you still fail to answer why there are so many windows updates

    why is that?
    What do you mean "constantly"? As you know, MS only releases patches once per month.

    The updates is obviously to fix bugs and remove vulnerabilities, just like Apple.

    I dont see where you are going with this. Apple actually takes longer to fix bugs than MS.

    Surur
    06-18-2007 08:24 PM
  14. oalvarez's Avatar
    cool, thanks! seems like i'm constantly being bombarded with those yellow reminder icons that yet another security update is available. i don't seem to be constantly bombarded with security update reminders on my mac. that's all.
    06-18-2007 08:32 PM
  15. oalvarez's Avatar
    Saying devices are getting thinner and lighter is not some amazing observation, it's just the way all technology works like laptops, tvs, mp3 players (nano?)--everything. That's just evolution, nothing special.
    except for Palm Treos
    06-18-2007 08:37 PM
  16. Malatesta's Avatar
    except for Palm Treos
    Well, though modest, I would suggest the 75x series has been getting thinner and smaller (no antenna). The 5xx series (e.g. Gandolf) will also take this much further making device that are analogous to the Q/Dash/BJ devices.

    So I think it holds there too. I think that Palm is more adherent to larger batteries than to slimness where possible for functional reasons.

    As thin as devices like the Q are though, people often complain now that the ergonomics when typing are thrown off, since it is too thin (it's a legitimate complaint often found in those forums). Hence rounded-backs tend to "feel better" but alas, those result in thicker devices.

    Like I said, there are always trade offs in design.
    06-18-2007 08:43 PM
  17. C201's Avatar
    As thin as devices like the Q are though, people often complain now that the ergonomics when typing are thrown off, since it is too thin (it's a legitimate complaint often found in those forums). Hence rounded-backs tend to "feel better" but alas, those result in thicker devices.
    At least I can agree with you there. The days of the flat pancake typing machine [think 6xxx-7xxx series Blackberry] should've taught the industry something. But consumers, being sheep too frequently, get caught up in the wafer-thinness frenzy.
    06-18-2007 08:48 PM
  18. oalvarez's Avatar
    75x has been getting thinner and smaller??? that's the same shell design as the 680, right? the one with the "curved in sides" and "antenna-less" design?.....i think i had them both and i would have hardly referred to them as thinner and smaller but by definition, yes! they were!

    to me they were the same ol' Treo brick. lots of others sayin' the same 'round here these days....
    06-18-2007 08:50 PM
  19. Malatesta's Avatar
    to me they were the same ol' Treo brick. lots of others sayin' the same 'round here these days....
    It's all relative. The 755p has been getting quite positive reviews (see "review roundup") and my cursory look at the forum here seems to imply that people are generally happy with it (especially compared to the 700p fiasco).

    Obviously Palm is taking baby-steps here but the 75x series generally appears to be well received. Not mind-blowing, but above-satisfactory for a lot of people.
    06-18-2007 08:56 PM
  20. braj's Avatar
    I'm looking forward to 3G and the new OS more than a slimmer body. Take another MM or two off and that would be enough for me.
    06-18-2007 08:59 PM
  21. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    The problem is they do in the latest model what should have been done in the last! Backwards steps is more like it!
    06-18-2007 09:03 PM
  22. Malatesta's Avatar
    The problem is they do in the latest model what should have been done in the last! Backwards steps is more like it!
    Maybe. It's a long time from device-development/conception to release. I imagine they'd want to use newer LCD technology but alas production and cost rule them out, or new chipset that is out but won't be ready in mass-numbers to meet their orders.

    Every review of the Treo says nearly the same thing: ergonomic.

    It doesn't feel great in your pocket, but feels perfect in the hand.

    The Q-type devices are the opposite: feels great in a pocket, not so much in the hand.

    The secret is finding the sweet spot which is no easy task. I highly doubt everyone will be overjoyed with how the iPhone feels in the hand for typing extensively.

    Granted, things like BT and camera's could be better. Wifi I'm mixed on--I honestly find it overkill with 3g.
    06-18-2007 09:07 PM
  23. oalvarez's Avatar
    just imagine how many they could sell if they were less heavy and less brick-like.....so many in the market are saying they don't need all that "functionality" and the like.....they should make a phone for that market but instead they decided to focus on the Foleo. again, so many around here are validating it....they just don't need all of that functionality at the cost of out-dated operating systems, crashes/reboots, etc.....a touchscreen can only take you so far.
    06-18-2007 09:12 PM
  24. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Actually why wasn't the 700p stable out of the box? But the 755p "upgrade" you had to pay for was? Because they fixed in the 755 what they should have done in the first place for the 700 out of the box!!

    Same with 700wx, why is it stable over the 700w? They added the memory they should have in the first place!!!

    But the owners of older devcies are either stuck or have to buy an "upgraded" device at a cost.
    06-18-2007 09:12 PM
  25. surur's Avatar
    As phones spend more time in pocket than hand optimizing for the pocket may not be a bad idea.

    Surur
    06-18-2007 09:13 PM
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