1. swarlos's Avatar
    Basically the question is in the title y’all.

    I would have created a poll but I’m using Tapatalk.

    I’m on the fence whether this would sway me over the dark side but usually after  adopts something the whole tech world usually jumps on board or it blows up in the mainstream if it had already been done on Android.

    I would just be leery of giving up my  watch and having to switch over to Android.

    I also thought I would never say this but I did switch I would most likely get the Pixel 6
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    08-09-2021 09:10 PM
  2. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Not at all. But I already have switched iCloud Photos off.
    08-10-2021 12:34 AM
  3. Speedygi's Avatar
    Man I don’t mind it but this opens up a whole can of worms lol
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    08-10-2021 01:39 AM
  4. FFR's Avatar
    Basically the question is in the title y’all.
    Nope. Will still use the iPhone and upgrade this year, still using iCloud and my account is Us based. Don’t really understand why some people on Reddit are upset.

    I’m actually glad Apple is doing this and doing it on device vs server side like google, microsoft, Facebook.


    I would just be leery of giving up my  watch and having to switch over to Android.

    I also thought I would never say this but I did switch I would most likely get the Pixel 6

    good luck with that, google does the same with google photos and gmail.
    08-10-2021 06:19 AM
  5. vimagreg's Avatar
    Well… I just jumped in the  boat thanks to its privacy settings. And now I read this news. I really think this open a can of worms, and I’m thinking this kind of things are turning me that old man who refuse to adopt new gadgets and technologies. Everybody knows somebody like that. Well, as every new day passes is more likely I’ll be like that. Just starting my research about ways of communication in replacement of smartphones. I’m finding a surprising lot, actually. I have a 12 Pro Max. Would upgrade it next year. That’s in a halt right now.
    08-10-2021 06:27 AM
  6. Annie_M's Avatar
    Not at all! Between last Friday’s episode of the iMore show, and Rene Ritchie’s extensive video explaining everything about it, I am reassured.
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    08-10-2021 07:11 AM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    In regard to the thread question, the answer is “no”.
    08-10-2021 07:54 AM
  8. Ed7789's Avatar
    It does not change anything for me. As long as it is done properly, and it does look like it was, it doesn’t worry me too much. It is definitely a slippery slope, but then again, a mathematical result on a picture is not reversible back to a picture and human oversight to eliminate false positives is probably the righter approach; I do feel bad for the people that will have to validate those matches.

    Note that I am not talking about what they’re doing in Messages which is a completely unrelated feature, juste announced at the same time.

    And it’s not like other services were not doing the same scanning either.
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    08-10-2021 07:58 AM
  9. Annie_M's Avatar
    It does not change anything for me. As long as it is done properly, and it does look like it was, it doesn’t worry me too much. It is definitely a slippery slope, but then again, a mathematical result on a picture is not reversible back to a picture and human oversight to eliminate false positives is probably the righter approach; I do feel bad for the people that will have to validate those matches.

    Note that I am not talking about what they’re doing in Messages which is a completely unrelated feature, juste announced at the same time.

    And it’s not like other services were not doing the same scanning either.
    Well said!
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    08-10-2021 09:22 AM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Nope. Will still use the iPhone and upgrade this year, still using iCloud and my account is Us based. Don’t really understand why some people on Reddit are upset.

    I’m actually glad Apple is doing this and doing it on device vs server side like google, microsoft, Facebook.





    good luck with that, google does the same with google photos and gmail.
    Apple is doing it both server side and on-device (which is terrible).
    08-10-2021 09:52 AM
  11. FFR's Avatar
    Apple is doing it both server side and on-device (which is terrible).
    What’s the point in doing it twice?
    08-10-2021 09:53 AM
  12. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    What’s the point in doing it twice?
    Exactly.
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    08-10-2021 09:54 AM
  13. Annie_M's Avatar
    Here is a link to Rene Ritchie's video about this. It's comprehensive and thorough. It explains things quite clearly, I think:

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    08-10-2021 09:55 AM
  14. Ed7789's Avatar
    Here is a link to Rene Ritchie's video about this. It's comprehensive and thorough. It explains things quite clearly, I think:

    And his audio version is right here if video is not your thing: https://overcast.fm/+dmRvglx_4
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    08-10-2021 12:45 PM
  15. cornettbr's Avatar
    Yes. And here is why:

    Do you drive drunk?

    I don’t.

    How would you feel though if every single car had a breathalyzer on it, you had to blow just to start your car every single time.

    My phone is essentially scanning my data (let’s face it I back stuff up to iCloud) constantly to see if I’m doing something wrong. I’m not. But I’m essentially being nannied by my own phone.

    I don’t like the idea of everyone being essentially treated as potential criminals for the actions of a few.

    I don’t believe in the “if you have nothing to hide it shouldn’t be an issue” mentality.

    In my eyes this is equivalent to a warrantless search every single time every iOS 15 user sends a photo to iCloud. Multiple that by the trillions of photos taken every single day.

    Do I believe that CSAM is wrong, absolutely. People who get caught with that crap cannot possibly be punished badly enough.

    Do I think every single users iCloud or Google photos account or Dropbox should be scanned because a very small minority of people are child predators? Absolutely not. Just like I don’t think cars should have mandatory breathalyzers built into them.
    08-11-2021 05:53 PM
  16. Wotchered's Avatar
    Well… I just jumped in the  boat thanks to its privacy settings. And now I read this news. I really think this open a can of worms, and I’m thinking this kind of things are turning me that old man who refuse to adopt new gadgets and technologies. Everybody knows somebody like that. Well, as every new day passes is more likely I’ll be like that. Just starting my research about ways of communication in replacement of smartphones. I’m finding a surprising lot, actually. I have a 12 Pro Max. Would upgrade it next year. That’s in a halt right now.
    There is a chap called Rob Braxton(or something like that !) on YouTube who specialises in security issues, has a lot of information.
    08-12-2021 04:21 AM
  17. Ed7789's Avatar
    Yes. And here is why:

    Do you drive drunk?

    I don’t.

    How would you feel though if every single car had a breathalyzer on it, you had to blow just to start your car every single time.

    My phone is essentially scanning my data (let’s face it I back stuff up to iCloud) constantly to see if I’m doing something wrong. I’m not. But I’m essentially being nannied by my own phone.

    I don’t like the idea of everyone being essentially treated as potential criminals for the actions of a few.

    I don’t believe in the “if you have nothing to hide it shouldn’t be an issue” mentality.

    In my eyes this is equivalent to a warrantless search every single time every iOS 15 user sends a photo to iCloud. Multiple that by the trillions of photos taken every single day.

    Do I believe that CSAM is wrong, absolutely. People who get caught with that crap cannot possibly be punished badly enough.

    Do I think every single users iCloud or Google photos account or Dropbox should be scanned because a very small minority of people are child predators? Absolutely not. Just like I don’t think cars should have mandatory breathalyzers built into them.
    I just want to highlight something else.

    The simple possession of CSAM is completely illegal. Alcohol (insert cannabis in Canada here as well) is not; driving under influence is. That reality applies to all persons, whether they are physical (individuals) or moral (companies).

    Second, Apple is making sure what YOU put on THEIR servers is allowed to be legally possessed. Don’t forget, you don’t own iCloud servers, Apple does. And they can be held accountable for some of the content on there.

    Would you want to get your vacation pictures on the beach legally seized because someone else happened to have uploaded CSAM pictures to the same server(s) where your library is stored?

    I’m just saying that there are other implications that need to be put into light as well.
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    08-12-2021 08:41 AM
  18. cornettbr's Avatar
    I just want to highlight something else.

    The simple possession of CSAM is completely illegal. Alcohol (insert cannabis in Canada here as well) is not; driving under influence is. That reality applies to all persons, whether they are physical (individuals) or moral (companies).

    Second, Apple is making sure what YOU put on THEIR servers is allowed to be legally possessed. Don’t forget, you don’t own iCloud servers, Apple does. And they can be held accountable for some of the content on there.

    Would you want to get your vacation pictures on the beach legally seized because someone else happened to have uploaded CSAM pictures to the same server(s) where your library is stored?

    I’m just saying that there are other implications that need to be put into light as well.
    I have absolutely nothing wrong with apple checking their servers.

    I have a problem when it becomes my own device that’s monitoring me.
    08-12-2021 09:08 AM
  19. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I wasn't gonna upgrade this year anyways. But, why would it change anyone's decision to upgrade?
    08-12-2021 07:57 PM
  20. swarlos's Avatar
    I wasn't gonna upgrade this year anyways. But, why would it change anyone's decision to upgrade?
    Probably because many people have knee jerk reactions to these type of things.
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    08-12-2021 08:01 PM
  21. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Probably because many people have knee jerk reactions to these type of things.
    Yeah, but it won't matter if it's an older iPhone or a new one. And other platforms will do the same. So, what's left...a flip phone?
    08-12-2021 08:13 PM
  22. Annie_M's Avatar
    Probably because many people have knee jerk reactions to these type of things.
    Exactly! And that includes me. My initial reaction was quite a knee-jerk reaction and that was before I had bothered to find out what it was all about. And I wasn’t really interested in finding out what it was about because I had made up my mind that it was horrible and that was that!

    And then, I watched the iMore show and Rene‘s video on YouTube and I realize that none of this is what it seemed and that my knee-jerk reaction was incorrect. At least in my mind!
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    08-12-2021 09:36 PM
  23. swarlos's Avatar
    Exactly! And that includes me. My initial reaction was quite a knee-jerk reaction and that was before I had bothered to find out what it was all about. And I wasn’t really interested in finding out what it was I had made up my mind that it was horrible and that’s that! And then I watched the iMore show and Rene‘s video on YouTube and I realize that none of this is what it seemed and that my knee-jerk reaction was incorrect. At least in my mind!
    Haha I had an initial reaction of OH HELL NAW.

    Then I also watched Rene’s video and it cleared up much of the confusion.
    Annie_M likes this.
    08-12-2021 09:37 PM
  24. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    Yep. I know scanning photos and iMessages are being done with good intentions, but starting out with good intentions leads to bad intentions. It's not a knee-jerk reaction since many privacy advocates AND Apple employees are vehemently opposed to this.

    Not sure how Apple is going to market itself as caring about our privacy when they're heavily violating it. They refused to unlock a shooter's iPhone back in 2015 yet they'll be scanning all of our images and messages. WTF.
    08-12-2021 11:31 PM
  25. Mr Segundus's Avatar

    I have a problem when it becomes my own device that’s monitoring me.
    Exactly this.
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    08-12-2021 11:33 PM
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