1. iMore.com's Avatar
    BlackBerry CEO John Chen not only weighed in on net neutrality, but used the opportunity to propose 'app neutrality' as well. In other words, that Apple, for example, be mandated to make iMessage for BlackBerry. From the BlackBerry blog:

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    01-21-2015 11:40 PM
  2. Coachbulldog's Avatar
    I find this both sad and comical. Outside of the posters on CrackBerry, Chen is being ridiculed for his comments. I agree with Jared Newman on PC World says about Chen:

    BlackBerry CEO John Chen proposes profoundly stupid 'app neutrality' law

    "BlackBerrys developer support has sunken so low that the company is now seeking a government bailout."

    "This so nonsensical that it only underscores how desperate BlackBerry has become."

    "With all due respect to Chen, its hard to imagine why a well-qualified, respected business leader would offer up such a profoundly stupid idea in a public blog post."
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    01-22-2015 12:01 PM
  3. hatchettjack's Avatar
    They can have iMessage when they pry it from my cold dead 6+!!!


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    01-22-2015 01:54 PM
  4. qbnkelt's Avatar
    This is the company that's pooching apps off of Google. It's to be expected. This is the same company whose die hards say that apps don't matter, and that users should put shortcuts in their home screens.
    So what is it? Do they not matter and their loyalists are encouraged to pooch another platform, or do they matter and developers should develop for the as well as for their own customers?
    So did the whole "better Android than Android" not pay off for BlackBerry?



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    Last edited by qbnkelt; 01-22-2015 at 03:08 PM.
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    01-22-2015 02:14 PM
  5. mikeo007's Avatar
    This is just getting sad now. What an embarrassment Chen is.

    "Our product isn't good enough to compete, so other companies should be forced to make it better for us."

    What a clown.
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    01-22-2015 03:04 PM
  6. zerog46's Avatar
    It is a shame, I would really like to see them succeed, the more competition the better for all of us.
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    01-22-2015 03:09 PM
  7. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    We need to remember that this is the same kiddo who threw a temper tantrum when T-Mobile offered a promo for Blackberry users to switch to iPhone.


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    01-22-2015 03:17 PM
  8. qbnkelt's Avatar
    This is just getting sad now. What an embarrassment Chen is.

    "Our product isn't good enough to compete, so other companies should be forced to make it better for us."

    What a clown.
    It is horribly embarrassing. Like pathetically embarrassing.

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    01-22-2015 04:19 PM
  9. zerog46's Avatar
    The embarrassing part is he doesn't even know what he is talking about. Your the CEO. Someone should have checked that before it went out lol.
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    01-22-2015 05:01 PM
  10. mmcfly23's Avatar
    Blackberry refused to change with the times (didn't they mock Apple/users for using apps?). I miss some features, however you couldn't pay me to user a blackberry (as of right now). The company is pretty much dead (as a handset maker). Hopefully they get some talent in there that understands the consumer market.


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    01-22-2015 05:39 PM
  11. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Well I have absolutely zero involvement with anything BlackBerry. I feel sorry for the people who work there whose livelihood will be affected if they crash and burn. But this slow speed crash that we're watching is so epic that I can't look away. I'm transfixed. I mean the media has just barely stopped making fun of them over the Twitter fiasco. Now they're making fun of them over this bizarre statement. You Google BlackBerry and every single article posted is a blasting of Chen's blog post.

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    01-22-2015 05:57 PM
  12. iEd's Avatar
    Seems like BB just doesn't get it. Not many people want their devices anymore.
    Google makes apps for iOS because they need those hundreds of millions of eyes on their products. Apple doesn't need BB users eyes on their apps.
    Like the blog says BB needs to come up with something people want. If you build it they come. Right?



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    01-22-2015 06:31 PM
  13. knighty2112's Avatar
    Isn't the big claim from all BlackBerry fans that their phone is a tool not a toy? Now they not only want all Android apps to work on their phones, but also all IOS apps and Windows apps too?

    Sadly, BlackBerry are so niche now that most people think they don't make phones anymore!
    Loved my Torch 9800, and my Z10 phone, but won't be buying another BlackBerry phone anytime soon.
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    01-22-2015 06:47 PM
  14. qbnkelt's Avatar
    That's the thing. They made their bed. Now when they have to lie in it they want to blame Apple and Google. It was them who turned their backs on native developers by telling people to use Android apps. The Android runtime was supposed to save Blackberry by having a "better Android than Android" and the faithful chanted that like a mantra. Now Chen blames Apple and Google? Please. Chen and Heins created this mess, not Apple and not Google. And to hijack the net neutrality argument is as disingenuous as the pooching of Android apps.


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    01-22-2015 07:14 PM
  15. HankAZ's Avatar
    First of all, Blackberry is dying because of their own actions. Secondly, Chen is a major tool. Not sure how anyone can listen to this drivel.
    01-22-2015 07:17 PM
  16. ritesh's Avatar
    Leaving aside all the ridicule and personal opinions about Chen's intellect, I would be genuinely interested in knowing, how, we as consumers, would be affected, if at all, apps become OS neutral. What do we have to lose, if app neutrality does come in to effect?
    Whether it is a ploy to save a dying company, or questions like why iOS and Android should do away with their competitive advantage, is for the OS owners to worry. What I am trying to figure out is, why is there resistance from consumers, who stand to benefit the most.

    P.S. I use an iphone 5, since Jan 2013, it being my 1st Apple product. The last Blackberry, I used was the Bold 9900 and moved to iOS because of the lack of apps on BB OS and also because of the availability of Iphone cases over BB, in all price ranges ,
    01-23-2015 03:11 AM
  17. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Leaving aside all the ridicule and personal opinions about Chen's intellect, I would be genuinely interested in knowing, how, we as consumers, would be affected, if at all, apps become OS neutral. What do we have to lose, if app neutrality does come in to effect?
    Whether it is a ploy to save a dying company, or questions like why iOS and Android should do away with their competitive advantage, is for the OS owners to worry. What I am trying to figure out is, why is there resistance from consumers, who stand to benefit the most.

    P.S. I use an iphone 5, since Jan 2013, it being my 1st Apple product. The last Blackberry, I used was the Bold 9900 and moved to iOS because of the lack of apps on BB OS and also because of the availability of Iphone cases over BB, in all price ranges ,
    I will answer with a cliche. Jack of all trades master of none.

    Let me take the best example I can find and one I used often back when I still gave a hoot about BlackBerry. My Bank of America app. My iOS app is fast, fluid, no stutters. It's got several settings and alerts that I use to monitor activity because it's the one I use online. Every day, I get a notification of balance. I get notification of any deductions and transactions. I get notifications of activity such as access from a new browser.

    Those are not available on the web app.

    I want my experience to remain as it is.

    In order to code universally for BlackBerry, Android, and WP, the developer will have to test and support four times as many platforms as now.

    Now extrapolate that to a small developer who might be a fan kicking off a brand new "hey this would be cool" idea. That places a burden on that developer.

    Here it is....developers, take care of your own. Your customer base. I'm your customer. Develop for me. I don't care one iota that BlackBerry tossed native developers into the waste bin with their "better Android than Android" idea. Now that that's done, don't come after mine. Don't penalise the "hey! This would be cool!" guy who might create something for me because you, BlackBerry, dug yourself into a hole with "tools not toys" battle cries. So is Netflix suddenly a required tool? Or is this an opportunistic new battle cry now that the hole is so deep that a ladder is needed to get out?

    I chose iPhone in no small part because of its ecosystem. Don't come pooching into it, BlackBerry, the way you have gone pooching Android. You didn't value your developers. Oh well. Tools not toys I guess. Continue your instructions to your customers to put a shortcut in the home screen. Leave my app developers alone. Your co CEOs said apps didn't matter. Your current CEO respects developers so little that they espouse the pooching of apps. That's your bed now, Blackberry. Lie in it.


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    01-23-2015 08:20 AM
  18. zerog46's Avatar
    Without competition everything would get stagnant.
    01-23-2015 09:22 AM
  19. ritesh's Avatar
    I will answer with a cliche. Jack of all trades master of none.

    Let me take the best example I can find and one I used often back when I still gave a hoot about BlackBerry. M.


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    All this is relevant for the developer, not the end user. Banking apps, Netflix app, etc which are developed by the inhouse developers, will have to develop an app for all platforms, without any personal bias or choice .
    IMO, that will be very good for end-users.
    Hypothetically, if your banking app was a mess on iOS and it worked great on BB and Android and Windows, you had 3 more options to choose from , rather than 2 now. And the more choices we have, the better it is.
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    01-24-2015 01:56 AM
  20. agarwal.apar's Avatar
    Blackberry- a confused company. God bless Chen!
    01-24-2015 02:47 AM
  21. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    That CEO need to go back to school and learn what proprietary applications mean. Back to the time when BB was leading, I didn't see them share their BBM with other competitors.
    Now, google is a software centered company, in other to make profit, they need to make their software available for all hardware.
    MS is like kind of google, that provide OS openly so that hardware companies can take advantages of them.
    iMessage it linked to a specific type of hardware "apple hardwares" and obviously, making it available to other competitor might make iMessage core users look another direction.
    And why is it iMessage that this guys wants? Maybe apple should let him install their mail app, their phone app, their safari app, their calendar app etc... on his dying BB? And he's such a looser with these kind of moves. This shows that he fails to win any sort of negotiation with apple for a long time.


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    01-24-2015 03:12 AM
  22. ritesh's Avatar
    That CEO need to go back to school and learn what proprietary applications mean. Back to the time when BB was leading, I didn't see them share their BBM with other competitors.
    Now, google is a software centered company, in other to make profit, they need to make their software available for all hardware.
    MS is like kind of google, that provide OS openly so that hardware companies can take advantages of them.
    iMessage it linked to a specific type of hardware "apple hardwares" and obviously, making it available to other competitor might make iMessage core users look another direction.
    And why is it iMessage that this guys wants? Maybe apple should let him install their mail app, their phone app, their safari app, their calendar app etc... on his dying BB? And he's such a looser with these kind of moves. This shows that he fails to win any sort of negotiation with apple for a long time.


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    I don't think he is asking for source codes of the proprietory apps. All he says is that all developers should be mandated to make compatible apps across platforms.
    I fail to understand, why there is such a hue and cry, for a consumer friendly suggestion.
    Whether Chen is a tool or he has ulterior motives behind this suggestion should be ignored. What he is suggesting is actually beneficial for us.

    P.S. Blackberry has a better mail app than iOS's and BBM is way beyond imessage.

    P.P.S: I am not trying to convert anyone here or trolling, just trying to make people understand that the suggestion is actually good. Had it come out of Cooks mouth, everyone would have worshipped it
    01-24-2015 03:38 AM
  23. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    I don't think he is asking for source codes of the proprietory apps. All he says is that all developers should be mandated to make compatible apps across platforms.
    I fail to understand, why there is such a hue and cry, for a consumer friendly suggestion.
    Whether Chen is a tool or he has ulterior motives behind this suggestion should be ignored. What he is suggesting is actually beneficial for us.

    P.S. Blackberry has a better mail app than iOS's and BBM is way beyond imessage.

    P.P.S: I am not trying to convert anyone here or trolling, just trying to make people understand that the suggestion is actually good. Had it come out of Cooks mouth, everyone would have worshipped it
    Everything can't be cross platform. Somethings sometimes have to be platform specific. Whatsapp for exemple who doesn't dev OS or hardware didn't make any official working APP for computer.
    Load of graphic games out there are not cross platform.
    I'm glad BB mail app is far greater than iOS mail app, yet BB hasn't made his mail app crossed platform if BB CEO is so concerned about making apps cross platform.
    Lol he made BBM available in iOS to not have to deal with an empty BBM user in his data base. At least that way, even if his former user moving to apple, they will still be in touch with something belonging to BB. That's a desperate action, he could have done that since 2000 something year, but he didn't until his customers start deflecting his BB boat.
    Apple is not desperate at that point, at the least, not yet.


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    01-24-2015 04:05 AM
  24. Septembersrain's Avatar
    As much as having iMessage be a useful tool, it was made for iUsers specifically. I really don't know how that could work across other platforms. As intriguing as that idea is, who'd have control over it?

    Chen in control of iMessage on BlackBerry phones? No damn way.
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    01-24-2015 07:32 AM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    All this is relevant for the developer, not the end user. Banking apps, Netflix app, etc which are developed by the inhouse developers, will have to develop an app for all platforms, without any personal bias or choice .
    IMO, that will be very good for end-users.
    Hypothetically, if your banking app was a mess on iOS and it worked great on BB and Android and Windows, you had 3 more options to choose from , rather than 2 now. And the more choices we have, the better it is.
    For a company like Bank of America with virtually unlimited resources, what you say makes sense. However, they still calculate ROI, as does any good business.

    Smaller developers are the ones that would be hurt more. Most apps come first to iOS, with Android immediate following if not simultaneously. BB & WP come much later. In a lot of cases their apps never come at all. This of course is due to the size & utilization of the user base. These developers might decide to not provide any app at all rather than a good one for iOS and maybe Android. If it's all or none, it has a much larger impact on the indie devs.
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    01-24-2015 09:37 AM
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