1. Speedygi's Avatar
    But battery life has actually increased on the vanilla 12 as opposed to vanilla 11
    12-21-2020 11:01 PM
  2. imwjl's Avatar
    I've assumed more efficient hardware and/or more capabilities via SOC (system on chip) architecture. I was thinking much like my new car is an AWD wagon with 4 cyl engine that outperforms what used to be a muscle or sports car.
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    12-22-2020 09:05 AM
  3. DEman19901's Avatar
    But battery life has actually increased on the vanilla 12 as opposed to vanilla 11
    It was due to a more efficient chip. I still say BS. Why just not have both a more efficient chip and at least the same size battery if not bigger.
    12-22-2020 09:46 AM
  4. tadpoles's Avatar
    It was due to a more efficient chip. I still say BS. Why just not have both a more efficient chip and at least the same size battery if not bigger.
    Because the goal for Apple is to make as much profit as possible while beating the competition. Period.
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    12-22-2020 10:50 AM
  5. imwjl's Avatar
    It was due to a more efficient chip. I still say BS. Why just not have both a more efficient chip and at least the same size battery if not bigger.
    Batteries weigh a lot and the large phones are heavy. I totally appreciate the 12 Pro Max performance and also feel the weight. At same time I have a good boost in battery life. I'd like a lighter phone before more battery life.
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    12-22-2020 12:34 PM
  6. Speedygi's Avatar
    It was due to a more efficient chip. I still say BS. Why just not have both a more efficient chip and at least the same size battery if not bigger.
    I can't say I don't disagree with this . Spot on .
    12-23-2020 01:10 AM
  7. bakron1's Avatar
    As with others out there, I say it’s because of better chips and software that’s been streamlined for better battery performance.

    As far as battery technology, I think we are at a crossroads, they have pretty much squeezed what they can out of the current battery technology.

    Once electric automobiles are being used on a larger scale and the money and resources needed to improve the battery technology are available, only then will you see a major leap from what we currently have. Just my two cents worth.
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    12-23-2020 04:34 PM
  8. imwjl's Avatar
    Weight must be an element in final product decisions. In the past week two in the c suite with XS Max expressed frustration over 12 Pro Max as too heavy and 12 Pro as too small. I remain really impressed with my 12 Pro Max battery life and I would not like it if it was heavier.
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    12-24-2020 07:59 AM
  9. Wotchered's Avatar
    Weight must be an element in final product decisions. In the past week two in the c suite with XS Max expressed frustration over 12 Pro Max as too heavy and 12 Pro as too small. I remain really impressed with my 12 Pro Max battery life and I would not like it if it was heavier.
    I think the opposite ! I would happily put up with a heavier phone, my XS has always felt too light for its size.
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    12-24-2020 09:30 AM
  10. J Dubbs's Avatar
    It was due to a more efficient chip. I still say BS. Why just not have both a more efficient chip and at least the same size battery if not bigger.
    It's called greed...
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    02-06-2021 11:49 AM
  11. comiken205's Avatar
    It's called greed...
    Someone with knowledge explain
    02-07-2021 03:55 AM
  12. imwjl's Avatar
    Someone with knowledge explain
    A post with someone holding some sort of bias or poor information - maybe a gapminder situation if you know the late Hans Rosling's writings.

    Each one of my successive iPhone purchases in same plus or max size has brought more battery life doing the same jobs - enterprise admin, personal utility, sports, photos & video. With dozens more devices in my work world (in MDM) I see a similar pattern.

    Products change over time. Just like my iPhones do more, I have a small displacement engine modern AWD station wagon that outperforms V8 sports cars and 4x4s I've had in the past. Both products evolved using superior designs and components that were not available earlier. I don't consider the maker of my car greedy for not using a naturally aspirated V8 and old school Dana 4x4 drivetrain.
    Annie_M likes this.
    02-07-2021 10:15 AM
  13. Annie_M's Avatar
    I’ve not had this experience. My battery life is great.
    02-07-2021 10:33 AM
  14. Wotchered's Avatar
    I’ve not had this experience. My battery life is great.
    Unfortunately mine is not, seems to eat power in large lumps, If I go out on even a short job, I am always startled by how much my battery is depleted when I get back.
    02-11-2021 09:27 AM
  15. Annie_M's Avatar
    Unfortunately mine is not, seems to eat power in large lumps, If I go out on even a short job, I am always startled by how much my battery is depleted when I get back.
    That's definitely not good! Have you tried contacting Apple Support?
    dmoskaluk likes this.
    02-11-2021 09:28 AM
  16. imwjl's Avatar
    Unfortunately mine is not, seems to eat power in large lumps, If I go out on even a short job, I am always startled by how much my battery is depleted when I get back.
    You need to look at your battery use and possibly your radio settings. We (IT department I manage) deal with mobile devices at scale and see the 12, Pro and Pro Max have excellent battery life. The few I know with Mini phones do to relative to the phone size.

    The only use LTE setting, and boosting WiFi AP signal can help. A few users who complained were using games, apps with ads or video apps that are battery burners. My own 12 Pro Max can drain the battery faster if there's a lot of effort to keep using 5G, and if between meshed access points and hopping between the two.
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    02-11-2021 09:50 AM
  17. Wotchered's Avatar
    That's definitely not good! Have you tried contacting Apple Support?
    I have mentioned it, got a sort of anodyne response !
    02-12-2021 10:49 AM
  18. Wotchered's Avatar
    You need to look at your battery use and possibly your radio settings. We (IT department I manage) deal with mobile devices at scale and see the 12, Pro and Pro Max have excellent battery life. The few I know with Mini phones do to relative to the phone size.

    The only use LTE setting, and boosting WiFi AP signal can help. A few users who complained were using games, apps with ads or video apps that are battery burners. My own 12 Pro Max can drain the battery faster if there's a lot of effort to keep using 5G, and if between meshed access points and hopping between the two.
    I have an XS ! which does not have 5g capability.
    I do not play games and do not really use my phone at work, It is a listening station, when I am away from my home broadband.
    I do suspect my wifi of being overactive but I can’t see any sign of it !
    02-12-2021 11:00 AM
  19. imwjl's Avatar
    I have an XS ! which does not have 5g capability.
    I do not play games and do not really use my phone at work, It is a listening station, when I am away from my home broadband.
    I do suspect my wifi of being overactive but I can’t see any sign of it !
    You can turn your WiFi off when away from home. A newer phone does have the specific to 5G setting that can help but my XS Max could burn more charge up with some app and radio use. No matter what the Apple device or vintage, I look at the Battery in settings, and look at the location and background use.

    Good luck.
    02-12-2021 11:44 AM
  20. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    But battery life has actually increased on the vanilla 12 as opposed to vanilla 11
    Apple was able to equal the iPhone 11 battery performance with a smaller battery with less capacity. In some cases it's actually better. This allows more space for other things, without making the phone bigger, and allows Apple to save money on batteries.
    Here's some info:

    https://www.imore.com/iphone-12-batt...till-just-good
    02-12-2021 10:33 PM
  21. atifk's Avatar
    The amount of charge they can hold decreases as lithium-ion batteries chemically age, resulting in shorter periods of time before a device needs to be recharged.
    This has been going on with at least the last 3 iphone models.
    Yesterday 01:22 AM

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