1. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    You got a $600 phone with a 750p display that can record video at 4k resolution? You've got $150 "Airpods" that can fall out of your ears and are probably not going to be as good as other wired or wireless over ear headphones. You've got an iPod Touch looking phone. Got rid of the headphone jack for no apparent reason except to charge more money for their own lightning headphones or bluetooth options.

    What is this? The new iPod iPhone 7.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    09-07-2016 02:24 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    Phones will deliver with lightning earbuds and a lightning adapter for standard headphones...
    09-07-2016 02:45 PM
  3. TwitchyPuppy's Avatar
    It gives a stereo sound, they include the 3.5 mm to Lightning adapter in the box (as well as the lightning EarPods) and, wait for it, the lightning EarPods can also fall out of your ears!!

    Scoop!
    Brenda H likes this.
    09-07-2016 02:46 PM
  4. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Phones will deliver with lightning earbuds and a lightning adapter for standard headphones...
    So you need an adapter to listen to music and if anything happens to that adaptor you need to buy a new one? If the phone is charging in a car or plugged into a battery pack you can't listen to music.
    09-07-2016 05:09 PM
  5. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    It gives a stereo sound, they include the 3.5 mm to Lightning adapter in the box (as well as the lightning EarPods) and, wait for it, the lightning EarPods can also fall out of your ears!!

    Scoop!
    So now instead of just taking your headphones with you when you go somewhere, you also have to remember to bring an adapter.
    09-07-2016 05:13 PM
  6. scruffypig's Avatar
    So now instead of just taking your headphones with you when you go somewhere, you also have to remember to bring an adapter.
    I have used a lightning port D/A convertor amp for years. Nothing changes for me. I can still use it.
    09-07-2016 05:27 PM
  7. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    The good news is you don't have to buy it. The 100 year old 3.5mm jack needs to be retired. Apple just has the guts to pull the trigger. Other manufacturers will eventually follow suit.

    I'm okay with it. Bring on the lightning headphones and the HOT jet black iPhone 7 Plus.
    09-07-2016 05:57 PM
  8. ekneeiphone's Avatar
    So you use headphones when you are driving a car? That is one of my biggest pet peeves.
    You can't hear your surroundings. Just slightly worse than texting and driving. Very dangerous.
    If the new phone has stereo speakers and is louder, you don't have to use headphones in the car.
    Ariza16, ladyc0524 and wenrob like this.
    09-07-2016 06:07 PM
  9. reeneebob's Avatar
    So now instead of just taking your headphones with you when you go somewhere, you also have to remember to bring an adapter.
    Crazy thought - leave the adapter connected to the headphones you've always remembered to take with you.
    09-07-2016 06:14 PM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    The good news is you don't have to buy it. The 100 year old 3.5mm jack needs to be retired.
    I don't use the headphone jack that much. Maybe less than 1% of the time that I use audio on my phone. Mostly use bluetooth headphones. But to play devil's advocate here; why does the headphone jack need to be retired? Just curious people's reasoning for this is.
    scruffypig, Premium1 and melander like this.
    09-07-2016 06:18 PM
  11. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Crazy thought - leave the adapter connected to the headphones you've always remembered to take with you.
    For as hacky and messy I think the dongle is, this is the silver lining with this thing. I assume most people just use one type of wired headsets pretty much all the time and just leaving the dongle connected to the wire no matter what is pretty much all that is needed.
    reeneebob and Tartarus like this.
    09-07-2016 06:19 PM
  12. robertk328's Avatar
    Phones will deliver with lightning earbuds and a lightning adapter for standard headphones...
    I need to watch the keynote to see how to use the headphones and charge at the same time. I use an external pack and listen to audible, music, podcasts, etc
    scruffypig likes this.
    09-07-2016 06:28 PM
  13. Jonathan Romcy's Avatar
    I need to watch the keynote to see how to use the headphones and charge at the same time. I use an external pack and listen to audible, music, podcasts, etc
    I saw the keynote and I really think you can't charge you phone and listen to music at the same time. Unfortunately they didn't mention nothing about that.
    robertk328 likes this.
    09-07-2016 06:36 PM
  14. robertk328's Avatar
    I saw the keynote and I really think you can't charge you phone and listen to music at the same time. Unfortunately they didn't mention nothing about that.
    That's what I've been doing the last two hours. Guess it's wireless headphones then!
    Tartarus and ChamNG like this.
    09-07-2016 06:38 PM
  15. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I don't use the headphone jack that much. Maybe less than 1% of the time that I use audio on my phone. Mostly use bluetooth headphones. But to play devil's advocate here; why does the headphone jack need to be retired? Just curious people's reasoning for this is.
    Fair question. The headphone jack doesn't technically NEED to be retired. Perhaps my wording was a little harsh. That being said, mobile device real estate is extremely valuable. I mean, phone manufacturers are looking at fractions of millimeters for room to fit components. If Apple can use that freed up real estate for something that benefits the end user I'm all for it. I'm perfectly fine using lightning headphones or the adapter that comes with the phone.

    I am not in love with the fact that Apple is removing the headphone jack, but I'm also not all torn up over it.
    BreakingKayfabe likes this.
    09-07-2016 07:10 PM
  16. bakron1's Avatar
    So you use headphones when you are driving a car? That is one of my biggest pet peeves.
    You can't hear your surroundings. Just slightly worse than texting and driving. Very dangerous.
    If the new phone has stereo speakers and is louder, you don't have to use headphones in the car.
    Amen, I hate when I see folks driving with headphones on!!! Being a motorcyclist, I have had more close calls from young folks texting and listening to music with headphones while driving. I am for having a large on the spot ticket with points for the violators.
    09-07-2016 07:12 PM
  17. kch50428's Avatar
    I need to watch the keynote to see how to use the headphones and charge at the same time. I use an external pack and listen to audible, music, podcasts, etc
    if you're not mobile, one of these: iPhone Lightning Dock - Black - Apple -- you can plug headphones into the dock and the dock can connect to a computer or Apple Charger... and I wouldn't put it past 3rd party accessory makers to come up with other solutions like an adapter that has an audio jack and USB-c connector to facilitate charging while using headphones.
    Rob Phillips likes this.
    09-07-2016 07:13 PM
  18. reeneebob's Avatar
    I'm assuming my existing dock that has a jack on the back of it will still work...not that I've used that jack. Ever. Lol.

    iPhone Lightning Dock Black

    http://aos.prf.hn/click/camref:1100l...duct/MNN62AM/A
    Rob Phillips likes this.
    09-07-2016 07:14 PM
  19. diggity's Avatar
    So you use headphones when you are driving a car? That is one of my biggest pet peeves.
    You can't hear your surroundings. Just slightly worse than texting and driving. Very dangerous.
    If the new phone has stereo speakers and is louder, you don't have to use headphones in the car.
    I can't accurately speak for how iOS Gravity listens to music in his/her car, but there are many people who use the 3.5 mm jack to plug into their car stereo system. My previous car didn't have Bluetooth audio streaming capabilities, so this was how I had to play music from my iPhone on my car stereo.
    Tartarus, cwbcpa and RumoredNow like this.
    09-07-2016 07:21 PM
  20. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    So you use headphones when you are driving a car? That is one of my biggest pet peeves.
    You can't hear your surroundings. Just slightly worse than texting and driving. Very dangerous.
    If the new phone has stereo speakers and is louder, you don't have to use headphones in the car.
    No... how do you expect me to listen to anything other than the music with my headphones in. I was referring to the passenger seat or when using an aux cord.
    09-07-2016 07:53 PM
  21. Tartarus's Avatar
    So now instead of just taking your headphones with you when you go somewhere, you also have to remember to bring an adapter.
    Why wouldn't you keep the adapter attached to your headphones?? That way you won't forget it whenever you take the headphones with you.
    reeneebob and Frehley like this.
    09-07-2016 07:55 PM
  22. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Fair question. The headphone jack doesn't technically NEED to be retired. Perhaps my wording was a little harsh. That being said, mobile device real estate is extremely valuable. I mean, phone manufacturers are looking at fractions of millimeters for room to fit components. If Apple can use that freed up real estate for something that benefits the end user I'm all for it. I'm perfectly fine using lightning headphones or the adapter that comes with the phone.

    I am not in love with the fact that Apple is removing the headphone jack, but I'm also not all torn up over it.
    I for one want to know why they removed it. It's the same thickness as the iPhone 6S and my iPhone 6 is still thinner. What did they fit into that same space?
    RumoredNow likes this.
    09-07-2016 07:57 PM
  23. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Speaking of Apple doing that before... That switch to the lightning connector was nothing serious since you could just get a different charger. With this you either need new headphones or use an adapter that you can easily lose or break. I honestly think they're trying to make money from the people that will and can break or lose a $9 adapter. Plus, you also lose the ability to charge your phone and listen to audio. You're LOSING a function of the phone for an irrelevant "stereo" sound effect that you can get with a decent pair of headphones.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    09-07-2016 07:59 PM
  24. Tartarus's Avatar
    I for one want to know why they removed it. It's the same thickness as the iPhone 6S and my iPhone 6 is still thinner. What did they fit into that same space?
    A better Taptic Engine, an integrated Home Button, a bigger battery, better ISP, better Camera.

    Shall I continue?
    09-07-2016 07:59 PM
  25. scruffypig's Avatar
    I still don't see the reason for removing the headphone jack. Maybe for water resistance? I won't be able to use my square card reader if it isn't compatible.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    09-07-2016 08:00 PM
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