- 07-07-2007, 08:53 PM #551
1. Most of you feel strongly that most people who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).
2. Apple and Steve Jobs have lied to the world about the iPHONE and you're mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore.
3. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).
4. The iPHONE doesn't have (fill in the blank here for what you think is the end all be all program) so it sucks.
5. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).
6. To be a truly useful phone you must be able to install 3rd party apps even if that means your phone crashes, and by this i mean freezes and requires you to do a reset and restart your phone, several times a day but at least you can say you have 3rd party apps!
7. People who bought and or will buy an iPHONE are stupid (and this is a word most of you have used often).
Well if you are right Apple will be broke come this time next year and you will be vindicated.
Time will tell if the iPHONE is the what many think it is a giant evolutionary leap forward in cell phone UI and ease of use.
I think by this time next year the iPHONE will have a good portion of the cell phone market and most of you will be using iPHONE clones as cell phones.
Thank you and good night all. Catch you later.
Lucky for Apple and their stock, the world is full of stupid people.
- 07-07-2007, 08:54 PM #552
- 07-07-2007, 09:03 PM #553
I have respect for you...read many useful posts from you during my Palm/WM days. I've used just about every device and platform out there, so I'm very familiar with the point you are making. In fact, I tried those programs on my Mogul recently (which I've since returned). The iPhone will be opened up to 3rd party apps, so are you saying we should expect resets, etc, like WM and Palm have? I know that's a convenient reason for unstability on Palm/WM, but you have to admit as a "mature" OS', they remain natively unstable as virgin devices.
I am really just tossing chum in the water with this thread, as everyone else. My postings are just for fun.
WM is great
iPhone is great
Palm is great
RIM is great
They all have tremendously helped me both personally and professionally. In fact, I don't think I would have been able to be so productive without these devices. I just happen to find the iPhone to be a refreshing tool that does what I want it to do, efficiently and effectively. Many, many others disagree. That's the beauty of choice.
- 07-07-2007, 09:03 PM #554
- 07-07-2007, 09:09 PM #555
You may have the exact opposite opinion, and I say good for you.
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- 07-07-2007, 09:48 PM #560
I know lots of folks who like their iPhone and tried to convince me to get one, but the downsides far outweigh the upsides for me personally. I can't go without a qwerty keyboard (Sprint 700Wx), period, bluetooth stereo, extended batteries (no matter how much juice a device has, it's always good to get a spare or at least have the option to get one, having to send it your phone plus pay $29 to rent one is retarded), no 3G (Sprint and Verizon are making a killing with their EVDO offerings, no GSM carrier in the States even comes close, especially to Sprint at $15/month)...i could go on, but what's the point.
Sorry, a $500-$600 locked-down GSM phone will not "have a good portion of the cell phone market" like you say. At that price point it doesn't work for everyone or the majority.
Let us all let it be. Some like it and it works for them, others don't and it's not for them, like me.
- 07-07-2007, 10:53 PM #561
I don't think it's likely that WM will allow that much change to it's GUI. Or RIM. Or Symbian. They will do touchscreen(WM and Symbian UIQ of course already do) and maybe bigger icons, but that's about it. Dumping the physical keyboard/keypad entirely is very unlikely IMO.
- 07-07-2007, 11:08 PM #562
People are saying this is Apple's first attempt and Palm has been around for a long time so you would expect the iPhone to have some problems being it's first generation. To me, I would think that Apple would have learned something from Palm, if they are so bad, and made sure they didn't make the same mistakes by releasing a "smartphone" that was not quite ready.
I still say they are both good devices. It just depends on your needs.
- 07-07-2007, 11:15 PM #563
- 07-07-2007, 11:29 PM #564
Slow Slow edge service
No backup battery allowed.
No push e-mail
No SD card
No Slingmedia allowed.
Cant be tweaked
BASICALLY NO 3RD PARTY APP ALLOWED..PUT ON THE HAND CUFFS
I use the Treo 700WX with no crashing and maybe a softreset needed every couple months.
SELL ME ON WHY I SHOULD BUY THE IPHONE PLEASE..
leave out the pretty user interface..That selling point has been worn out and how sure the OS is.There are threads that say different for some users.
- 07-07-2007, 11:35 PM #565
If it works for you and it's what you want that is perfectly fine.
The only contention with the iPhone, as I've repeated numerous times as my opinion, is what it boasts to do via functionality vs. what we already have, disappointment in some features that would make it dramatically better than some current offerings, cost vs. benefit, choice of carriers and some hyperbole that has been said in the name of the iPhone.
e.g. I think of things like: What if it has 3g, open access to programming, etc?
I've also stated that had it come with 3g and on Sprint, I'd give it a test run as I'm not above using Apple products, though in general I'm ambivalent about them as a company.
As far as stability and the future of the iPhone, I have no idea. Clearly Apple has a leg up in comparison to other OEMs since they get direct access and control to each iPhone without carrier interference or approval, which should allow much easier and more direct updates to fix issues. I can bet that every other OEM is extremely envious of such a system as the carriers would never allow them the same freedom (I have consistently argued that the biggest problem with "lack of innovation" and buggy OSs has more to do with interference from the Carriers, rather than the OEMs).
OTOH, if those rumors about the iPhone update are true, I hope it does not complicate the matter further. Afterall, the OS is bare and native now with a few issues (I won't assume how widespread or incidental)--throwing in Root access, more functionality, iChat, etc could only complicate the picture. Then again, with all of those "error reports" collected, maybe they can de-bug and fix whatever issues are current. Just have to wait and see although I could only imagine the situation will be more complex as more "stuff" is thrown on the OS, no different than every other OS on this planet. :o
Also, I find the stability of WM from AKU 1.x (nearly unusable) to WM6 to be quite revealing. I think a native/virgin WM AKU 3.x+ device would be extremely stable, especially in comparison to a PalmOS device. In fact I'd be hard pressed to find any examples of system errors not related to either registry modification, unsupported hacks or invasive 3rd party programs e.g. phonealarm, Wisbar, Fexmail etc vs. non-invasive like Google Maps or simple single-run programs. I'm sure there may be some (there always are) but they have dramatically gone down as more mature devices have been released. One could argue it took too long to get there, but see above about carriers blocking OEM updating.
- 07-07-2007, 11:45 PM #566
You forgot LOCKED at $600, which is almost unheard of for a GSM phone!
Plus one carrier restriction is absoulutely unheard of!! Most GSM phones can at least be unlocked to use on other carriers!
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- 07-08-2007, 02:01 AM #574
Unrelated to that. I happened to see a post made by someone "in the know" regarding a list of new features coming to the iPhone in a software update.
It's pretty extensive, and if it's true, it really will answer most of the complaints we all have about it's shortcomings.
Including select/copy/paste. Including a file browser, as well as better touch screen navigation (taps, gestures, etc.) And that's only the beginning.
So perhaps the iPhone is on it's way to greatness and it was just released before all of the features got in.
Heck, they do all of that I may even get one when they make an HSDPA version.