- 06-18-2007, 01:23 PM #51
Because it's a new and untested platform, the OS UI is worth exploring. If it can deliver near the dependability of Blackberry, the ability to keep up with instructions, provide enough flexibility allow some choice within reason [to the average consumer vs the techno-geek], and supports the platform with at least limited OS upgradability, [again, to the average consumer vs the techno-geek], I may be able to get behind this thing. Allow it to grow and it may set a new standard when it has bleeding edge connectivity. As for battery-life, it has not been shown that replacing the battery is necessary and to make incendiary claims otherwise is irresponsibly premature at best.
I don't particularly have a dog in this fight. I just welcome some genuine innovation to kick some other corps in the seat of their pants since they're simply chronically milking their cash cow. I couldn't care less who that innovation came from, quite frankly.
- 06-18-2007, 01:28 PM #52
- 06-18-2007, 02:02 PM #53
And I have no problems with the iPhone outside of
a) it's not a smartphone
b) not for me
c) disappoints in some areas
d) too expensive
Combine that with it's "defenders" like you and it does happen to leave a bad taste in my mouth (honestly, you're a poor representative of Apple fans. You reinforce stereotypes that they are arrogant and condescending). However, as I've always maintained the phone will sell and reviews will be mostly positive. It's just not a device for a lot of the Treo crowd. Big deal.
And you know the no-3G argument is rubbish, since it would not have taken a genius to put in the chip and have it upgradeable via software later when then network is up and ready. That's exactly what the Palm 750 and the new Sprint Mogul (6800) have done.
Don't pass off obsolescence and poor choices for prescience.
And since you "know" so much, what about GPS, IM and MMS? Why aren't those there?
- 06-18-2007, 02:14 PM #54
Removable batteries are more for when the battery goes south of perfect, which is inevitable at some point. But I don't think it is a huge issue, unless it happens to you.
3G definitely would help in downloading and uploading photos, buying music from iTunes (I assume you will be able to do that).
- 06-18-2007, 02:41 PM #55
- 06-18-2007, 02:44 PM #56
I think it is a bold, daring statement to declare the iPhone "5 years ahead of its time" before it is released. And even to judge that, it becomes SO opinionated that in the end nothing gets settled. For instance:
What, in "functionality", does the iPhone do that a Windows Mobile PPC cannot? Visual voicemail? ANYTHING else????? UI/multitouch are features, not functionality.
I can watch movies on my Treo. I can browse the web, listen to music, email calendar, etc. HOWEVER, I have my bank accounts synced through Quicken on my phone, and I can watch my TV on my phone- any channel, any time, with Slingbox. I can download and read a book, play 100's of games, etc etc.
The iPhone is going to sell, and going to sell big when it is released. But what are consumers going to do when they realize they can do all of this on a phone that costs hundreds less, on a cellular network that is cheaper to boot?
- 06-18-2007, 02:47 PM #57
The battery life may be an issue for some, but considering that it is non 3G (battery life is double without 3G) it probably will only be an issue for those who use wifi a lot throughout the day. I wouldn't worry about non-wifi normal phone/media operation
- 06-18-2007, 02:55 PM #58
Again, I think the battery issue is more in case you have a defective or dying old battery. My wife's 2 year old iPod doesn't hold a charge and needs to be plugged in after 15 minutes. For her it isn't a big deal since it only gets used in the car.
I'd like some easy way to chandge the battery if you needed but then the form factor definitely couldn't be as sleek. If you have $600 to spend on a phone though you better have the money to repair it.
Does the ATT phone insurance cover the iPhone?
- 06-18-2007, 03:05 PM #59
But on this note, realize that sources are saying "T-Mobile is favored to secure the deal. Both carriers (meaning Vodaphone and T-Mobile) have been active in the music area, but apparently Vodafone's Live! portal would not be a good match with Apple's iTunes software."
So there you have it. The 5th piece of evidence (or is it like the 6th or 7th, I lose track) that my reasoning was correct.
- 06-18-2007, 03:19 PM #60
BUT, it is this UI that you mention as "a feature, not functionality" that is important. It is a feature that gives the user an ease of use unseen anywhere else. This ease of use makes the phone more accessible... easier to use. This is what Apple is known for.
They don't rely on specs to sell the product. They rely on usability to sell the product. Specs are worthless if they are included for the mere sake of inclusion.
- 06-18-2007, 03:25 PM #61
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- 06-18-2007, 03:35 PM #63
The usability of the iPhone is yet to be proven, I personally prefer hard buttons to soft ones. At least in my experiences up to now. iPhone could change that.
But movies and music on my Treo doesn't involve many hoops, I just put them on my card, and open them in the respective player. I haven't looked into synciing automatically with the desktop because I listen to the same old music with only minimal changes over time. I'm old and boring. I know it is possible but don't know how well it works. On the Palm I have one-button shortcuts to each app so I'm betting it will be easier to access them on my Treo vs the iPhone, which I assume requires you to go to the launcher onscreen, taking what, minimum 2 actions? I don't think you can claim superiority there.
I do have high hopes for Apple to get it right, but one concern is that on Macs as well as Palm the 3rd parties have generally lead the platform in innovative ideas for real-world usability. Without them we can't get the little tweaks that fine-tune the user experience. We'll see.
A few more :
Browser +10.Obviously this is just a bit of fun and doesn't really mean much as I've never touched the device, also the list far from complete. If I do have a slightly more serious point though it's that it's not just about quantity of features, it's at least as much about quality, and people really do value things very differently.
iTunes integration +15 (without it I'll need an iPod).
Lack of 3G -15 (about equal importance with iTunes integration for me).
iTunes phone app UI +3 (I know I've already had every app UI in the UI +20 above, but I think it deserves extra )
Lack of Exchange push -2 (lack of ability to get Exchange email at all would be -15, but pull is more-or-less good enough).
Virtual rather than physical QWERTY keyboard when typing -5 (very hard to say without actually trying it of course; could be -20, could be +20, although the latter does seem a bit unlikely).
Virtual rather than physical QWERTY when using apps that don't need it or don't need it much +10 (or put another way, virtual rather than physical keyboard is the only way to get a big screen on a small thin device).
Fairly high res screen +10.
(Probably) good battery life +15.
Lack of native third party apps -20 (Could be less if web apps pan out, but that would really need i) the ability to add icons to the launch screen and ii) something like Google Gears for access when off-line. Some apps should be fine despite an on-line requirement, IM for instance - not a lot of use off-line. This all assuming you don't have to close a web app just to open another web page; *I think* the bottom right icon in iPhone Safari is a page switcher. If you have close an app just to open a page though score this -30).
Hardware design +30 (best looking handheld device ever, IMO).
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