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My point exactly. I don't care if we don't get option to theme but soon the ios needs to start implementing modern UI improvements.
I ask again...what's a modern UI improvement?
My point exactly. I don't care if we don't get option to theme but soon the ios needs to start implementing modern UI improvements.
Adding options is not the same as updating the UI. I sense that some people contributing to this thread don't really even understand what UI stands for as they keep offering things like "the ability to text while watching a movie." Dude...that has nothing to do with the UI.
Changing the app icons to 2 inches would be a UI change. (Horrible, but a comprehensible example.) Tap and hold on the home screen to access options? That's the UI.
You may now return to your normal quibbling.
I ask again...what's a modern UI improvement?
That's subjective, and there is no way you or I can answer that for everyone else. That's what developers get paid to do for us!
Usually Apple insists they know what we "want", so let's see what they think people want. As of now, like you've said, they seem to think most folks don't want anything new. Their sales have proven them right so far. My question is this: how long does Apple wait until they start to "think different" again? Will it be after sales are already slipping? That is a very dangerous game to play, and RIM got killed by thinking that way. Hopefully, and I'm making a huge assumption here of course, they are working behind closed doors to bring something new to the OS. I'm a fan, and I want Apple to bring something new to the table again.
I think you are missing my main point here...like you, I don't care about the details of what's running on the Note 2 or the size of the device or the stylus, or what I can do with the GS3, or on iOS or Windows Phones. As a fan of technology I'm interested in what's next. I want nothing more than to see all these companies continue to push one another, and Apple changed the mobile game drastically in 2007 to everyone's benefit. I like what Samsung is doing because they are pushing tech into our hands that we have not really seen before. Is it all good stuff that is functional and useful on a daily basis? Not really. But I don't care about that, I care that they are trying. There could very well be technology out there we don't even know exists that will be part of our daily lives in 5 years or less, and technology companies need to be nimble and flexible to adjust to the amazingly fast pace of technology in the 21st century and take advantage of the rapid changes in direction. Is Apple positioned to be able to do that? Probably. RIM/BB was not.
I'm not sure i agree totally with your assessment of changes and how quickly they occur when it comes to user interfaces...to be honest, OSX has stayed the same for the better part of the last 5-6 years...adding details here and there, but primarily software additions and enhancements. And while this is happening, you have Microsoft frantically trying to change Windows, going through so many iterations that it's hard to tell what their aim is...all the while OSX keeps plugging along with the same clean layout, and what i still consider the best operating system out there.
Desktop OS and Mobile OS don't really live in the same worlds anymore, so my thoughts were mainly about mobile tech, and I stand by my statements as far as mobile tech is concerned. But your point is well taken as far as desktop OS.
I still think there is a very drastic difference between what you guys were suggesting and the idea of a UI change though...even in a fast moving consumer tech world where change is a needed thing (sometimes). And yes, i do agree that computer OS vs. mobile OS CAN be different, but in many ways they share similar character, which is why so many people love iOS, the fact that it has not changed much as far as foundation is one of the reasons i truly think the iPhone continues with it's overwhelming success every year.
Change is not necessarily needed, it's created. Apple used to be one of the best at it. Let's hope they can get there again.
As I and others have stated, the change IS happening with each iteration of iOS. Just because it's not a drastic as you'd like doesn't mean that it isn't happening. It's gradual and evolutionary. Sorry to disappoint.
Change is not necessarily needed, it's created. Apple used to be one of the best at it. Let's hope they can get there again.
Let’s just keep that in mind. “Boring” is relative. This is an exciting conversation to have, but not if it boils down to another pointless (and needless) platform war. Comparing apples to oranges is not always the best use of our time.
And, believe me, any company would be wise to know when it’s time to change — and that’s usually dictated when sales slide (before, it is hoped, they slide to a severe degree).
iOS, has most certainly changed — and I personally wish it could change more. I’m sure it’ll continue to change with subtle tweaks. But here’s the thing: iOS hasn’t changed so much as to alienate the customer base. It’s familiar — and familiarity is a good thing when it comes to adoption of new consumer technologies. Apple doesn’t need to change that quickly to satisfy every one of its “normal” customers.
But none of the iterations are really a change, they are implementations of ideas already done by others. Yes, it is disappointing for me as a fan of what Apple used to be. Android has developed to the current iteration, JellyBean, in the course of just a few short years. It is light years better than what some folks still have on their Android phones in Gingerbread which was released 2 years ago or so. And Google does not stop the development and say OK, this is good stuff, let's stop trying new stuff. They and the manufacturers continue to push the envelope in the development and hardware arenas. I spend every day of my job researching new tech for the thousands of people who work at the international facility where I work. I can tell you for a fact that very few people are excited about anything Apple is doing to push tech forward. Excited about the hardware? Yes, it's awesome hardware. The apps being developed are awesome too, but those are not limited to iOS, and can easily be adapted cross platform, which is what is happening. And if one platform begins to offer advances in functionality that people want, and the other one does not, guess what?
Apple is still one of the best at it, in the same fashion they always were...they polish the hell out of what works to perfection, they don't jump on gimmicks, and they take features you find on other devices and improve and make them unique to Apple in order to have long lasting native software (though the new maps system is certainly a "work in progress" type deal). Your statements implies that Apple has some how "lost" something...I'd say that millions of people disagree, which leads me to believe that Apple isn't in a hurry to really make any drastic changes anytime soon, and that (to me) is a great thing.
But none of the iterations are really a change, they are implementations of ideas already done by others. ...(snipped)...
I just want to ask one question to all the people who love the way Apple is doing things. We all agree that Apple keeps things simple so that everyone can use the devices easily correct. So icons are kept to a strict grid because allowing users to put things anywhere on the usable homescreen would confuse some people. Yet in iOS even if I have a whole empty row on my homescreen when I install a new app it goes to the second screen. Now you might think it's simple everyone knows to swipe to the next screen but how is that easy for an 80 year old user? Let's just say for arguments sake they can't find the new app people will say just use spotlight again I'm not sure that is so simple that anyone can use it.
It is a simple example that things aren't always simple. The point is allowing icons and folders to be put anywhere on the homescreen doesn't mean you can have it half hanging ontop of another it still snaps to the grid it's just not an absolute grid. This is something simple that Apple will probably never do, why?
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People keep saying it's familiar and this is the benefit. Well maybe I'm wrong here but I didn't think we're talking about changing what is familiar I thought what we have gotten to now is why Apple wont impliment things that are beneficial to the user instead sticking to keeping it simple. Familiar doesn't have to mean simple, sticking a toggle for a lockscreen clock doesn't change the way icons are arranged on the homescreen, etc. Allowing icons to be placed anywhere on the homescreen grid doesn't affect the function of the home button or pinch to zoom.
I agree 100%, I guess I'm just wondering if sticking with this approach is smart? I'm of the mindset that change (nothing drastic required) is a good thing, if it brings about better products for everyone. I like the old Apple mindset of Think Different, which they don't do anymore, IMO.
I think we've beat this dead horse to a pulp, how about you?
To the people who has only owned a non-smartphone or an iPhone, Apple's implementation of what others have already done are new and exciting. This is my interpretation of iPhone owners:
Typical user - text, email, calls, light web surfing & card or puzzle games
Moderate user - add music, video & more games to the above.
Serious user - add reminders, calendars, notes, documents & other productivity stuff.
Techies - add jailbreak, forum usage, tech blog reading & app experimenting.
In my opinion, the typical user is Apple's target market and the largest of all the aforementioned groups so it only makes sense for them to introduce incremental changes and besides, they know that people in the other groups will still buy their products with or without griping.
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