Jellotime91
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In what world is it "just as ridiculous" to assume that a company will continue with a very successful strategy they've employed for the last 2 years?
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There strategy hasn't been releasing one phone at a time? It's been upgrading and releasing a new revolutionary design of their hit product. They're already outside of the "usual" even to you because there's supposed to be at least two. So yes, it is ridiculous to think that the option isn't even considerable. It could happen. Don't close off all the options just because of your narrow minded thinking.
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I know he's wise but that doesn't automatically make him right every time.
Look, I'm just calling it as I see it - and if I were Steve Jobs it would make sense to me. I consider myself a fairly wise individual. So do others.
Here's the thing...if you want to approach this logically but still base it on rumor, everything points to 2 phones AT MOST, not three. All the releases, silly little news breaks, insider info, etc etc etc...it all points at a 4S and an iPhone 5.
If we approach it with your logic, based on the fact that "you can't prove that there WONT be three, so don't close off that possibility!", then we could add really ANYTHING to the pot and still stick with your approach...what if there are 800 different iPhones, and 400 of them are made of solid gold! You can't prove me wrong here...but it's no less absurd.
Now I'm not saying that the idea of 3 iPhones is that far fetched, but logically speaking, everything points at two iPhones, not three...and saying that, I'm confident there will not be 3 either.
There strategy hasn't been releasing one phone at a time? It's been upgrading and releasing a new revolutionary design of their hit product. They're already outside of the "usual" even to you because there's supposed to be at least two. So yes, it is ridiculous to think that the option isn't even considerable. It could happen. Don't close off all the options just because of your narrow minded thinking.
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Their* (not 'there'). I don't mean to insult you, but incorrectly spelled homonyms are an epidemic among the people speaking our language today.
First of all, you don't know that they're outside of the 'usual'. Everything is rumors and speculation. And even if it is 2 'new' phones, it will really only be one new phone, and one 8GB iPhone 4. It's not going to be a "4S". The "iPhone 4S" will be about as 'new' as the 8GB iPhone 3GS was in 2010. The only other difference will likely be a cheaper manufacturing method, possibly resulting in a slightly altered body. This makes sense because Apple had to get Foxconn to bring in thousands of prototyping machines for the iPhone 4, so if they're going to make the iPhone 4 their new *budget* model, it doesn't make sense to still use such an expensive manufacturing method. Overall though, the $99 device will not be a completely 'new' device, and I can assure you that is a very, very safe bet.
Secondly, it is definitely not 'just as ridiculous' to assume that Apple will release a new iPhone at $199/$299, and use the previous model at a reduced capacity as the budget $99 model. Why is it not? Well, because that's what they have done for the past 2 years and it has worked very well for them.
Why not just keep what they have of the i4 and use the 16gb as the budget model? It isn't like they aren't making enough off of the phones as it is. Why go through all of the hassle to manufacture more i4 with less memory.
I've already addressed this. The current manufacturing process for the iPhone 4 is very expensive, and like I said, Apple had to pay Foxconn to bring in thousands of new prototyping machines. I would imagine they are going to re-purpose these machines to produce their new high-end phone, not keep them in use to manufacture their now budget-focused iPhone 4.
Why not just keep the 3GS 16GB as their budget model last year? In case you've forgotten there never was an 8GB 3GS until the iPhone 4 came out and it was used as the $99 phone. They do this because there needs to be differentiation between the budget device and the $199 device. 16GB is a lot for many people, absolutely enough space for most people. Apple doesn't want everyone to get along perfectly fine with the budget phone, they want people to buy the $199 or $299 device, obviously.
Actually that's not true. There are signs that point to there possibly being two more models but definitely not three. Apple always knows what there going to do next. They most likely knew what the iPhone 5 was going to be when they released the iPhone 4. With all of their products they just one up themselves without releasing everything they possibly can so that they can stay ahead of the game. It just wouldnt make sense for them to release three iPhones at one time...
Clearly they want everyone buying the new model but not everyone will. the point is why spend all that money just for a lower memory model? Why not just keep using the previous year model. You can get an I4 for under 150 at certain places so it isn't like they can't knock off another 50. But that would defeat apples business model. Probably the same reason only certain things get added.
Their* (not 'there'). I don't mean to insult you, but incorrectly spelled homonyms are an epidemic among the people speaking our language today.
First of all, you don't know that they're outside of the 'usual'. Everything is rumors and speculation. And even if it is 2 'new' phones, it will really only be one new phone, and one 8GB iPhone 4. It's not going to be a "4S". The "iPhone 4S" will be about as 'new' as the 8GB iPhone 3GS was in 2010. The only other difference will likely be a cheaper manufacturing method, possibly resulting in a slightly altered body. This makes sense because Apple had to get Foxconn to bring in thousands of prototyping machines for the iPhone 4, so if they're going to make the iPhone 4 their new *budget* model, it doesn't make sense to still use such an expensive manufacturing method. Overall though, the $99 device will not be a completely 'new' device, and I can assure you that is a very, very safe bet.
Secondly, it is definitely not 'just as ridiculous' to assume that Apple will release a new iPhone at $199/$299, and use the previous model at a reduced capacity as the budget $99 model. Why is it not? Well, because that's what they have done for the past 2 years and it has worked very well for them.
I've already addressed this. The current manufacturing process for the iPhone 4 is very expensive, and like I said, Apple had to pay Foxconn to bring in thousands of new prototyping machines. I would imagine they are going to re-purpose these machines to produce their new high-end phone, not keep them in use to manufacture their now budget-focused iPhone 4.
Why not just keep the 3GS 16GB as their budget model last year? In case you've forgotten there never was an 8GB 3GS until the iPhone 4 came out and it was used as the $99 phone. They do this because there needs to be differentiation between the budget device and the $199 device. 16GB is a lot for many people, absolutely enough space for most people. Apple doesn't want everyone to get along perfectly fine with the budget phone, they want people to buy the $199 or $299 device, obviously.
Dude... The lower-end model is not meant to be an upgrade to the current high-end. It's meant to be virtually the same thing. The only people who will upgrade to the new low-end model are maybe people who bought a 3GS last year or the year before.
Here's the thing...if you want to approach this logically but still base it on rumor, everything points to 2 phones AT MOST, not three. All the releases, silly little news breaks, insider info, etc etc etc...it all points at a 4S and an iPhone 5.
If we approach it with your logic, based on the fact that "you can't prove that there WONT be three, so don't close off that possibility!", then we could add really ANYTHING to the pot and still stick with your approach...what if there are 800 different iPhones, and 400 of them are made of solid gold! You can't prove me wrong here...but it's no less absurd.
Now I'm not saying that the idea of 3 iPhones is that far fetched, but logically speaking, everything points at two iPhones, not three...and saying that, I'm confident there will not be 3 either.
Yes, that is absurd. The claim is that there will be three phones, not 800 with 400 that are solid gold.
Here's my problem with what you said....you took it to an extreme.
I didn't.
Keep it relevant and on-topic, even if you don't like it, because it keeps this thread open and more importantly, respectful. I am not bashing anyone, simply stating my viewpoint. It's totally okay to differ.
I am merely stating that the business model for offering three products has never been stronger, the market seems to require multiple offerings to remain competitive and Apple doesn't make many missteps....so to me, Apple needs this to remain the industry leader.
Those who want, need or prefer a larger screened
device will avoid Apple, and not just the device, but ultimately the ecosystem. You need to expand your thinking and look at the bigger picture. I'm not stating three phones because I think three phones sounds cool...I recognize marketshare loss and trending and analysis enough to know that the market requires more than two models now. Two years ago that market standard didn't exist.
Apple will continue to lose marketshare to Android until they answer that call.
Their ecosystem is their bread and butter. iCloud will create all sorts of ecosystem growth and without a device to support that (the larger screened iPhone) no one will enter that ecosystem.
Think big picture, my friend. It's about the end user experience, something Steve Jobs preaches...his mantra is all about the customer experience.
Jello, I assume you know that Apple makes TEN versions of a prototype phone, then whittles that selection down to three, then one, right? They are to be what they refer to as 'pixel perfect', so no rough edges, but final versions - perfect in execution. Their largest expense is in design first, the initial execution.
That you state they have a large expense in manufacturing the iPhone 4 is somewhat misleading....the actual initial design phase is what is expensive, not the final execution of the product.
Do your homework.