1. Garz's Avatar
    I am calling BS on this one... not saying that what you are saying didn't happen... it's more likely that the providers are talking out of both sides of their mounts, in an effort to create FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt)... but there's THIS out today where Sprint is offering a $100 trade-in on new iPhone 4S devices... so where's the logic in giving the customer ANOTHER $100 off on the purchase of a device that they are already losing lots of money on? As I said, B.S.

    Sprint to offer $100 towards iPhone 4S upon trade-in | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog
    There has been many articles about the high subsize cost of the iPhone. I don't think it's BS. Here is just one article.

    http://www.imore.com/2012/04/10/carr...apples-iphone/
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    05-18-2012 02:47 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...(snipped)...but there's THIS out today where Sprint is offering a $100 trade-in on new iPhone 4S devices... so where's the logic in giving the customer ANOTHER $100 off on the purchase of a device that they are already losing lots of money on? As I said, B.S.

    Sprint to offer $100 towards iPhone 4S upon trade-in | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog
    You've got a point there, my friend.



    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    05-18-2012 03:09 PM
  3. Garz's Avatar
    You've got a point there, my friend.



    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    Sprint is also desperate
    05-18-2012 03:31 PM
  4. Fausty82's Avatar
    There has been many articles about the high subsize cost of the iPhone. I don't think it's BS. Here is just one article.

    http://www.imore.com/2012/04/10/carr...apples-iphone/
    I understand that Apple is cleaning up and lining their coffers at the expense of us, the consumer base, as well as the wireless providers... but c'mon... how can giving away an extra $100 per iPhone 4S help - especially since the subsidies that Sprint is paying is so high (doubtful it's any higher than any other wireless provider)... it's insane, but Sprint giving the extra $100 per iPhone 4S on top of the $300-400 subsidy is even more insane.

    Either somebody is pulling a fast one on the paying public, or this will drive them out of business... but it can't be both.
    05-18-2012 05:46 PM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Sprint is also desperate
    So it seems. They took a huge gamble by putting all their marbles on the sale of the iPhone to it's current & future customers.


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    05-18-2012 07:33 PM
  6. Hot94Z28's Avatar
    This sucks my upgrade is October 12th. I was planing on getting the new iPhone with my upgrade at a discounted price. Well might have to start saving now and when I get it I plan on using the **** out of my data.


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    05-18-2012 09:27 PM
  7. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    I'll go on the Internet and watch videos when I'm home like I used to. Because why spend $30, $50, $100 for a data plan that's not unlimited, and for something like a phone? All I'm doing is checking emails and going on websites and downloading games. Really? You want me to pay $50 a month to check my email?

    All that wasted money. But phone data from cellular companies is WAY TOO expensive.

    I'm not going to be the one that feels the pinch.
    05-19-2012 02:01 AM
  8. iRy757's Avatar
    I am sure more carriers will follow in Verizon's footsteps. Seeing that you work for the business I'm not so sure I would chop off my nose to spite my face. At least see what they offer after all, Verizon is the hand that feeds you.
    Well it's not to say that I'd jump ship, is just buy my future devices at retail cost. I just don't want to feel limited. I'd rather have it and "not need it" than need it and not have it!


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    05-19-2012 08:47 PM
  9. Engire's Avatar
    It should be interesting to see what happens at my next upgrade. I have two phones on unlimited data with a $20 per line data discount. I'm almost positive they don't like my plan much but it has a sunset of 2038. Now if they want to give me a bucket of say five gigs for ten or twenty bucks I could be happy.
    05-19-2012 10:24 PM
  10. Lenerdosy's Avatar
    Not a surprise. All the Canadian carriers phased out grandfathered when they went to hspa+ network and only way to keep a grandfathered was to keep your old phone since all new ones defaulted on the new network.
    05-20-2012 01:44 AM
  11. beeray's Avatar
    It should be interesting to see what happens at my next upgrade. I have two phones on unlimited data with a $20 per line data discount. I'm almost positive they don't like my plan much but it has a sunset of 2038. Now if they want to give me a bucket of say five gigs for ten or twenty bucks I could be happy.
    You are right, I also have that promotion.

    Beeray
    05-20-2012 10:47 AM
  12. kilcher's Avatar
    Only a matter of time before AT&T does this as well. "Competition" among cell providers is a joke and works the opposite of what it should. It's more a case of one company screwing the customer, taking the heat for a month or two, and then the rest following suit (ETF, upgrade fees, tiered data plans, getting rid of tiered texting plans, etc).
    05-20-2012 01:38 PM
  13. Engire's Avatar
    It's almost like the airlines. You wonder if they don't just take turns sometimes. "Ok Delta it's your turn, test the water for carry on charges." if it works they all follow Delta's lead. Verizon and AT&T know the vast population act as Lemmings and will just go along with the flow. The numbers that might leave pale in comparison of the numbers they will retain. AT&T did it with tiered data and now Verizon is taking a swipe at Grandfathered plans. They take equal heat and both win in the end.
    Last edited by Engire; 05-20-2012 at 04:59 PM.
    05-20-2012 04:55 PM
  14. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    And its not just Verizon. Why Apple would ever think its a good default to sync data and documents for all your phones applications over a cellular network in the world of severely limited data plans and usage based billing is beyond me.

    People are going to be complacent about it right up until they're paying $10 per kilobyte.
    05-21-2012 02:53 AM
  15. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    And its not just Verizon. Why Apple would ever think its a good default to sync data and documents for all your phone’s applications over a cellular network in the world of severely limited data plans and usage based billing is beyond me.

    People are going to be complacent about it right up until they're paying $10 per kilobyte.
    I sync stuff all the time between my devices and various cloud accounts via 3G and it uses very little data. Of course, each user is different.


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    05-21-2012 07:48 AM
  16. rewNATION's Avatar
    doesn't bother me either way. I'm just fine with the 2gb data plan. I've never hit 1gb and I never use wi-fi
    05-22-2012 10:13 AM
  17. Engire's Avatar
    I don't think it will bother most folks in data use. Its the principle of the thing.
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    05-22-2012 01:14 PM
  18. stewm's Avatar
    Verizon has really disappointed me with their lack of clarity with this 'Shared Data Plan'!

    I've really had a lot of time to mull things over and really their service is getting worse, their 4G is nothing to boast about in our area, really because it stops 13 miles away and even at that location it is marked on the map as 'not guaranteed'

    All these extra charges, for crying out loud Verizon!, if you need an extra $30 for a device then increase the prices up front! Then all these 'Verizon Admin Fees' just increase the contract price instead of having numerous extra admin fee's, but hey, then on both counts you would lose customers and you would lose them pretty damn quick because customers could use the 'unreasonable increase in service pricing' and get out immediately.

    Worst still, is that your clarity on pricing, or rather lack of clarity, is appalling. I know that you didn't expect the backlash because you didn't really expect the media to pick up on the statement during an investor conference call! Unfortunately, the pitiful offer of a method to keep unlimited data is petty and deliberate set to force people over to the plan because you know that you could then increase the pricing of the unlimited plan each month and if the customers don't like it then they can either get lost or sign a contract with shared data.

    Oh and what about those of us that only have a single device? We know that the pricing may have a negative affect both on our service and our wallets. You like to stick it to those that don't have a family load of devices.

    As for losing the unlimited data plan, you aren't going to lose me as a customer for that, it's all the other things above and the god awful data service in my area that will lose your business from me, after 10 years of being a customer. I rarely get even close to 1GB of data, in fact I think 750 MB of data is the most that have ever used in a month and that was when I had a blackberry and couldn't use WiFi because the Blackberry Storm didn't have WiFi in its first incarnation.

    I guess what I am saying Verizon is that you are like a fake friend, your nice until you get what you want and then you crap all over us. What should you do with fake friends, dump them. At least AT&T have a history of being terrible but I can buy an unlocked device and then when I am in the UK I can insert a prepay sim from T-Mobile/Orange and get service and I will never worry about having to wait 2 years.

    I've learnt my lesson, it's not worth paying the contract price anymore and not worth being with a Carrier that is not compatible with the rest of the world.

    Verizon, just like a fake Friend, you won't miss me, and I definitely won't miss you. (Oh and your FIOS service price increases suck too, we may part ways on that as well LOL).
    05-24-2012 09:42 PM
  19. Larry Pager's Avatar
    And its not just Verizon. Why Apple would ever think its a good default to sync data and documents for all your phones applications over a cellular network in the world of severely limited data plans and usage based billing is beyond me.

    People are going to be complacent about it right up until they're paying $10 per kilobyte.

    That's because everybody grew up thinking data was cheap. It's like driving SUVs when gas was cheap. Now consumers are a lot more cautious and developers will have to program this better.

    Everybody will phase out unlimited data and prices will remain high for awhile. But because any of us can switch to a carrier (unlike the cable companies at home), the wireless companies will have to do something to differentiate themselves from others. What's to stop me from going to T-mo, Sprint, etc? I can bring my old number, I can walk into any store and buy a phone. 4G is now becoming the standard. And data is data. So eventually I think you will see a price war for data. For example- one company gets rid of the 2GB and charges 5GB at 2GB prices. Save $10/month on data and get more data? That's $120/yr, for a 2yr contract that's $240 saved. People will move. It will never be unlimited, but I think prices will drop in the next 5yrs.
    06-28-2012 08:43 AM
  20. kch50428's Avatar
    What's to stop me from going to T-mo, Sprint, etc?
    Native network coverage. If you ain't got it, don't bother switching. If you spend most of a billing cycle roaming for multiple cycles, they will fire you as a customer.
    06-28-2012 09:03 AM
  21. pkcable's Avatar
    As a single man, with 1 phone there is nothing to like about these new plans for me. I'm already planing my exit strategy IF they force my hand. Of course I have a feeling they will work with me BUT if not 4/13 then Sprint or Tmobile here I come!
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    06-28-2012 10:02 AM
  22. CG68's Avatar
    As a single man, with 1 phone there is nothing to like about these new plans for me. I'm already planing my exit strategy IF they force my hand. Of course I have a feeling they will work with me BUT if not 4/13 then Sprint or Tmobile here I come!
    I'm in the same boat. If I decide to jump it will be to AT&T though. I probably will stay though due to the corporate discounts I get with Vz. I may forgo the unlimited data plan and jump to the tiered plan (2GB) due to the fact I never use more than 1.5 gb a month. This way my monthly bill will not change. I don't want to pay full retail for a phone. Or, I may hold off for about 6 months or so and buy the new iPhone off contract from CL/eBay and keep my unlimited data. We shall see.
    06-28-2012 01:14 PM
  23. Peligro911's Avatar
    If you use a alternate upgrade from a line that already has a tiered data plan it's that same as buying a device off contract for your line .. That means for me come October iPhone 5 unlimited data ( I have confirmed this with Verizon )


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    06-29-2012 10:57 PM
  24. markhunsaker's Avatar
    I agree with PK. I only have one phone on my plan...the new plans do not benefit me...I'll actually end up paying more for an equivalent plan that I'm currently on. I use around 2.5 GB per month...so I'd have to do the 4GB plan. I currently have 900 min, 5 friends/family, unlimited text and data for 82.10 after taxes. The new plan of unlimited talk/text, 4 GB of shareable data would run me 99 and change after taxes. I've had an upgrade since Dec 2011...maybe I should have used it than...
    07-28-2012 02:06 AM
  25. j7469's Avatar
    I know on 3G, VZ would throttle after 2GBs if the tower you are on was under heavy traffic. AT&T would throttle everyone after 3G who were still on the grandfathered unlimited plan.

    I read that AT&T was upping the throttle starting point to 5Gbs for iPhones on LTE, has anyone heard what, if any, changes Verizon made to their policy?
    10-13-2012 03:34 PM
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