1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    tyvm D for both of your responses !! I originally posted my questions because as you quoted from Shammo, it was a bit conflicting/confusing on info. BUT i just breezed thru the article from the link you posted as well, and that has more clarification for those of us that are on 3G if we do not move onto a 4G LTE device, that the unltd data plan we have, we will be able to hang onto for as long as possible

    Thanks again
    You're very welcome, my friend and I hope you're having a safe and pleasant day


    Just Me, D
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    05-17-2012 01:01 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    ..those of us that are on 3G if we do not move onto a 4G LTE device, that the unltd data plan we have, we will be able to hang onto for as long as possible
    That has been how Verizon has operated in the past - no guarantee it will remain so going forward

    The market I'm in was owned by Midwest Wireless before Alltel bought them out... and then Verizon bought out Alltel - and I'm guessing there are custos out there that are still on Alltel price plans that were grandfathered in when Verizon took over Alltel...

    It remains to be seen what the new Share/Tiered offerings will be... if the 'sharing' includes tethering - it may be worthwhile to make a switch once things are announced and we know what's going on.
    05-17-2012 01:05 PM
  3. ThePinkChameleon's Avatar
    That has been how Verizon has operated in the past - no guarantee it will remain so going forward
    yep kch, i'm also aware of that too that the unltd even for 3G devices could change at any time in the future - this is why i also stated in my post "to hang onto for as long as possible"
    As much as i enjoy my 4S & it runs great - i don't fore see myself looking to upgrade(if the newest iphone will then be a 4g/lte device) when i'm due at the very end of 2012/beginning of 2013, well, because i'm very happy with my device. In the past i was always waiting on the next upgrade (for bb) to get the better/newest working device.....but thats another thread for another time lol.


    You're very welcome, my friend and I hope you're having a safe and pleasant day


    Just Me, D
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    thanks D, you enjoy as well !!
    Last edited by Pink; 05-17-2012 at 01:20 PM.
    05-17-2012 01:17 PM
  4. Garz's Avatar
    Ok so its not a rumor. Looks to be set in stone. I remember when Vzn was laughing at Att users getting throttled after 3GB's on unlimited plans. True unlimited we all knew was going away for Att and Vzn. They are doing what they can to take it away. Yes Sprint has unlimited and probably won't take it away for awhile. They are struggling just like their data speed is struggling.


    The sad thing is Verizon made a statement that it was the customers who wanted shared data. That's BS. I definately don't think unlimited users were asking for shared data. Maybe tiered data users.
    05-17-2012 01:41 PM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...(snipped)...
    The sad thing is Verizon made a statement that it was the customers who wanted shared data. That's BS. I definately don't think unlimited users were asking for shared data. Maybe tiered data users.
    I'm sure some customers who had separate plans for every member of their family did indeed seek a shared plan, but for Verizon to use that as an excuse to rid themselves of unlimited plans is a bunch of crock!



    Just Me, D
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    05-17-2012 02:12 PM
  6. sherlock's Avatar
    Could it be the iPhone is starting to reveal the cracks in "the network" and they need to reel in their iPhone users usage.
    05-17-2012 03:38 PM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    This statement says it all:

    ...But despite soar­ing per­for­mance, exec­u­tives at both car­ri­ers (AT&T & Verizon) con­firmed to investors this week that they are prepar­ing to make new moves in an effort to squeeze more rev­enue out of sub­scribers

    That statement comes from THIS article.


    Just Me, D
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    05-17-2012 03:47 PM
  8. epphllps's Avatar
    This statement says it all:

    ...But despite soar­ing per­for­mance, exec­u­tives at both car­ri­ers (AT&T & Verizon) con­firmed to investors this week that they are prepar­ing to make new moves in an effort to squeeze more rev­enue out of sub­scribers

    That statement comes from THIS article.


    Just Me, D
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    That is truly sickening.
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    05-17-2012 03:59 PM
  9. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    That is truly sickening.
    Statements like the following let's me know that unlimited data plans will end soon.

    1. "When they migrate to 4G..."
    2. "As they move to 4G..."
    3. "Everybody will be on a shared plan..."

    Remember when data packages were an option? Now, however, if you have a smartphone, data packages are automatically included and whether you want it or not. I wonder will the wireless companies use that strategy with the next iPhone and include all 4G/LTE devices. If it's 4G/LTE capable, you must automatically purchase one of the new 4G/LTE shared/tiered plans. What's to stop them from phasing out 3G? That will certainly make the "everybody will be on a shared plan.." statement ring true.


    Just Me, D
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    05-17-2012 04:22 PM
  10. Paradocks's Avatar
    That is truly sickening.
    True. But that is capitalism at its finest. Charge the consumer as much as they are willing to spend. Want to screw the carriers? Don't buy phones that require a data plan. Ahhhh, sometimes I miss the simplicity of my old flip phone.
    05-17-2012 04:23 PM
  11. kch50428's Avatar
    Further clarification: Verizon Clarifies: Unlimited Data Plans to Die Slow Death - NYTimes.com

    People can pay full retail for the phone and keep their plan as-is, unlimited...
    05-17-2012 04:52 PM
  12. clbond78's Avatar
    I've been reading a lot of the responses about Verizon doing away with the unlimited plans and I'm over all the complaining. I'm not saying that there's not is a decent amount of greed involved. But let's be serious, the bottom line is someone is going to try to get over. It's either us or them simple and plain. Verizon is in the position as far as rank and price based off one thing....quality! No other competion has nearly the lay out and legitamite coverage of LTE 4G than Verizon. All the others are going all in anyway they can to get customers in without overly affecting their network quality. Sprint and T Mobile only offer what they offer cause they don't have the numbers as far as customers as AT&T and Verizon. If they did, trust me, they would have to follow similar suits. Until the competion gap tightens up, all the other companies will over promise and under deliver. Verizon regardless if you like it or not most of the time stick to thier guns to maintain profit margins to stay miles ahead of the others. That backs up the quality of the service and the highest price. At this point, no one will catch up if they're sacrificing and curbing plans to beg for business. They may recieve some new bites, but the churn is affected when people find out the hard way a lot of cheaper providers have lower standard service, longer times to wait for upcoming improvements, and many realize they don't mind paying extra for better options and better piece of mind.

    The next part of this issue is people need to stop assuming all these companies are stupid. Yeah, they may take time to structure and adjust to propose and proper action, but they know how bad people go out their way to abuse the system. When I see people complaining about this cause they use their phone for home internet and tv, I'm like....."And you wonder why the hell they are tiering things!!!!!". Obviously if phone carriers was to comfortably provide so much data and internet, why have cable??? No way will the cable companies allow that kind of power and capabilties and just fade away. If phone companies was able to give every one unlimited data without affected coverage, cable would run to goverment to step in to avoid a possible monopoly as fast and the purposed AT&T and T Mobile merger (duh!).

    In the end, it's pretty clear and dry. Everyone want to drink from the well. Us as consumer need to adjust and budget behind the rules without going out our way to bend them or these changes will only get worse. We have to start playing fair or they never will. Stop trying to use your phone as a cable company. If you love using your phone that much, find other means in your lifestyle that you can possibly curb or spendless money on and balance out. No matter if it's businesses or goverment, there will be rules to a system, and there will always be someone to bend, manipulate, and take unffair advantage of the rules and privliges. At some point they get caught on to, when that happens do the ones of those action pay the price??? No, we all do.... You don't have to like the game, but respect the game and play fair
    05-17-2012 04:53 PM
  13. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    True. But that is capitalism at its finest. Charge the consumer as much as they are willing to spend. Want to screw the carriers? Don't buy phones that require a data plan. Ahhhh, sometimes I miss the simplicity of my old flip phone.
    Very true with an emphasis on "willing to spend". Today's consumers appear more willing than those from days passed. Companies are more willing to push the boundaries with so many people desperately trying to "keep up with the Jones'". Heck, there are elementary school kids walking around with smartphones. The U.S. is very image driven and too many of us will do everything in our power including go broke trying to buy iPhones, iPads, MacBook Pro and the like just to be accepted among the "in" crowd and no wonder companies take advantage of us.


    Just Me, D
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    Last edited by JustMe'D; 05-21-2012 at 07:43 AM.
    05-17-2012 04:53 PM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Further clarification: Verizon Clarifies: Unlimited Data Plans to Die Slow Death - NYTimes.com

    People can pay full retail for the phone and keep their plan as-is, unlimited...
    Now that is smart! Customers with unlimited data will indeed pay full retail price of a new device to keep their unlimited data plan. I know I would.


    Just Me, D
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    05-17-2012 04:56 PM
  15. kch50428's Avatar
    If the whole model of cell phone industry pricing were so great... CableTV providers would be giving away and/or selling at great discount from retail - TVs with extended service agreements for programming... people should just buy phones at retail... then make a deal with a provider - month to month for a certain price... or a contract for a lower monthly fee depending on contract duration.
    05-17-2012 05:04 PM
  16. Paradocks's Avatar
    Very true with an emphasis on "willing to spend". Today's consumers appear more willing than those from days passed. Companies re more willing to push the boundaries with so many people desperately trying to "keep up with the Jones'". Heck, there are elementary school kids walking around with smartphones. The U.S. is very image driven and too many of us will do everything in our power including go broke trying to buy iPhones, iPads, MacBook Pro and the like just to be accepted among the "in" crowd and no wonder companies take advantage of us.


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    Agree on the image driven aspect of our society. It is fascinating that some people will spend more on their cell phone plan per month than they do on food and clothing. What's for dinner tonight? Mac and cheese.
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    05-17-2012 05:12 PM
  17. ThePinkChameleon's Avatar
    Very true with an emphasis on "willing to spend". Today's consumers appear more willing than those from days passed. Companies re more willing to push the boundaries with so many people desperately trying to "keep up with the Jones'". Heck, there are elementary school kids walking around with smartphones. The U.S. is very image driven and too many of us will do everything in our power including go broke trying to buy iPhones, iPads, MacBook Pro and the like just to be accepted among the "in" crowd and no wonder companies take advantage of us.


    Just Me, D
    (Tapatalk - iPhone 4S)
    I don't mean to stray too much off subject here but being you commented on elementary school kids with smart phones now a days......I can't begin to tell you how many kids in the elementary up to 8th grade have iPhones, droids and the very small droplet of blackberrys. The whole keeping up with the Jones happens here indeed.

    As for the article I read about purchasing a 4G/lte device outright and keeping the grandfathered unltd data plan, that can indeed get very pricey-upwards any where of $500+ per device. I for one, will not drop that amount of money on a phone, I personally feel its an insane amount to spend whether the funds are do-able or not. But to each his own on what they will do with their own money. I just see that as another way for the cell provider to make a mound of money. Sure it's great you won't be locked into a 2 yr contract, but the money either paying it thru their "shared" data plans they'll push on you if you purchase a 4G device under discount or no contract paying full price is just as bad.
    05-17-2012 08:30 PM
  18. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I don't mean to stray too much off subject here but being you commented on elementary school kids with smart phones now a days......I can't begin to tell you how many kids in the elementary up to 8th grade have iPhones, droids and the very small droplet of blackberrys. The whole keeping up with the Jones happens here indeed.
    I hear you, my friend. In Orlando, what you described is definitely the norm, but not here in Winston Salem, NC.

    As for the article I read about purchasing a 4G/lte device outright and keeping the grandfathered unltd data plan, that can indeed get very pricey-upwards any where of $500+ per device. I for one, will not drop that amount of money on a phone, I personally feel its an insane amount to spend whether the funds are do-able or not. But to each his own on what they will do with their own money. I just see that as another way for the cell provider to make a mound of money. Sure it's great you won't be locked into a 2 yr contract, but the money either paying it thru their "shared" data plans they'll push on you if you purchase a 4G device under discount or no contract paying full price is just as bad.
    Again, I hear you loud and clear, Pink and believe me, you're not alone in your thinking.

    Just Me, D
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    Last edited by JustMe'D; 05-17-2012 at 09:46 PM.
    05-17-2012 09:44 PM
  19. hodie63's Avatar
    I spoke to a Manager at our corporate VZW store, and was basically told the same story. I have a line due now for upgrade so i played dumb and asked the question about upgrading to 4G/LTE he said my line thats is ready now i could upgrade and still have the unlimited data for 4g, but on my next line that is not due until november he said i wolud have to have the data plan and said it would be 4gb for $30. So my thought is to upgrade now so i can at least get 1 line of unlimited 4G before they pull the trigger. Although 4gb for $30 is not to bad for my purposes . So i am on the fence. But it is getting shorter.
    05-18-2012 10:43 AM
  20. Hot94Z28's Avatar
    Ok if you pay full price what about us iPhone users that's not on 4G? Can I still buy a 4G phone outright and keep my unlimited plan?


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    05-18-2012 01:28 PM
  21. rayz336's Avatar
    I think as long as you pay outright it doesn't matter if it's a 3G or 4G device
    05-18-2012 01:34 PM
  22. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Ok if you pay full price what about us iPhone users that's not on 4G? Can I still buy a 4G phone outright and keep my unlimited plan?


    Sent from my iPhone 4 using Tapatalk
    It is my understanding that if you are already on an unlimited data plan AND you buy an LTE smartphone outright at a non-contract / non-discount rate you will be able to keep your unlimited data plan.


    Just Me, D
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    05-18-2012 01:40 PM
  23. j7469's Avatar
    VZW, AT&T and Sprint have all come out recently and complained about how the high subsidize cost for the iPhone is eating into their profit. What would be a better way of eliminating that cost than by threatening to eliminate "unlimited data" for those who don't buy the phone at full retail? This policy is expected to go into effect this summer, right around the time that a new iPhone with what we all presume to have LTE capabilities is released.... Coincidence? I think not!
    05-18-2012 01:57 PM
  24. Fausty82's Avatar
    VZW, AT&T and Sprint have all come out recently and complained about how the high subsidize cost for the iPhone is eating into their profit. What would be a better way of eliminating that cost than by threatening to eliminate "unlimited data" for those who don't buy the phone at full retail? This policy is expected to go into effect this summer, right around the time that a new iPhone with what we all presume to have LTE capabilities is released.... Coincidence? I think not!
    I am calling BS on this one... not saying that what you are saying didn't happen... it's more likely that the providers are talking out of both sides of their mounts, in an effort to create FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt)... but there's THIS out today where Sprint is offering a $100 trade-in on new iPhone 4S devices... so where's the logic in giving the customer ANOTHER $100 off on the purchase of a device that they are already losing lots of money on? As I said, B.S.

    Sprint to offer $100 towards iPhone 4S upon trade-in | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog
    05-18-2012 02:14 PM
  25. boomhower1820's Avatar
    I'm actually looking forward to it. Both me and my wife have iPhones and average 2GBs a month between us. We both would like to trade off our wifi iPads for cellular versions but are not going to pay another $30 a pop for data. Give me a bucket at $8/GB and I'm sold. My stepsons been wanting an iPhone and it would be fine but again, not paying another $30/month.

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    05-18-2012 02:21 PM
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