Will iPhone kill the Treo franchise?

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I understand perfectly, Mdavis! :)

I prefer tactile keyboards too. I really don't like having to use a stylus(in this case your finger is the stylus) all the time. It's cool for video usage and surfing, but when you text as much as I do, it can get annoying constantly poking on the screen with a virtual keyboard.
 

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I understand perfectly, Mdavis! :)

I prefer tactile keyboards too. I really don't like having to use a stylus(in this case your finger is the stylus) all the time. It's cool for video usage and surfing, but when you text as much as I do, it can get annoying constantly poking on the screen with a virtual keyboard.

If you get the chance, are you at least going to try it? The poking that is...;)
 

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Sorry. I didn't see that from 10 posts back.


I just read the part where you say it doesn't have a keyboard. And then even after dismissing symantics :confused: , you still say: "If it had a keyboard...it would have a keyboard. Perhaps I should say that more clearly: If it had a keyboard...it would have a keyboard." :confused: :confused: :confused:

What do you mean exactly? I don't understand.

I guess to "old school" folks it just isn't a keyboard.


try dictionary.com

there's about 4 entries for the noun keyboard- the definitions for what we are talking about all basically say

a set of keys, usually arranged in tiers, for operating a typewriter, typesetting machine, computer terminal, or the like.

there's no keys on a touchscreen- there are visual representations of keys but no actual keys. As my post above there is no tactile feedback and that's pretty much what makes a touchscreen picture of a screen different from a keyboard or "hard buttons"

you can also look up touchscreen and see that they are not similar definitions.

You can draw braille "dots" on the touchscreen and even have the screen respond to presses in those areas but it isn't going to help a blind person.

We aren't having a pissing match about what the meaning of "is" is.

I guess you are saying that it's semantics that a the graphical representation of a keyboard on a touchscreen is the same thing as a keyboard but some of us dont think that's semantics but rather a significant difference. (it might work as well- or even BETTER- but it's not a keyboard in our minds- maybe it's an age thing?)

If i draw a picture of a quarter on the screen is it a quarter? Maybe apple hooks up with visa and comes up with one of those wireless payment systems that are always "right around the corner". And you can walk up to a vending machine and the phone will sense the machine and put pictures of coins ont he screen. You can hit the picture of the quarter and the phone will transfer 25 cents from your bank account to the vending machine. Would you say "i placed a quarter in the machine"? maybe you would. I and the "old timers" would probably say "I paid 25 cents" or "i transferred 25 cents to the machine" or something like that. A quarter never changed hands.

Check out the remote control type forums- people there pretty much all agree that "hard buttons" on a remote are a differnt animal from "soft buttons" on a touch screen remote.
 

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Very strange discussion but I'll bite.

try dictionary.com

there's about 4 entries for the noun keyboard- the definitions for what we are talking about all basically say

a set of keys, usually arranged in tiers, for operating a typewriter, typesetting machine, computer terminal, or the like.

there's no keys on a touchscreen- there are visual representations of keys but no actual keys.
You should have looked up 'key' while you were at dictionary.com :)

"one of a set of marked parts, designated areas, or levers pressed in operating a typewriter, computer terminal, calculator, etc"​

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/key

The thing on the iPhone has to have a noun (otherwise we have to call it 'the thing on the iPhone' :)) and 'keyboard' seems like the only sensible option. Preface it with 'virtual' to distinguish from a 'physical keyboard' and you're sorted. It is after all how these things have been described for many years (as, I suspect, every poster in this thread knows perfectly well! :))
 

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So if I understand this then, it's a matter of preference?

Or is it a matter of tactile feedback?

Either way, it has a keyboard.

I like to press keys, not touch screens constantly. A virtual keyboard gets too annoying when you write a lot. Matter of preference, I suppose. People seem to love touchscreens on here. Not me as much.

I may test one in the store(wonder when they'll go on display), but I don't know if I can use an iPhone every day due to having to touch the screen for everything.

Oh yes, it does have a keyboard, but I think Mdavis doesn't view a virtual keyboard as a "real" one. I can see what he/she means.
 

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Very strange discussion but I'll bite.


You should have looked up 'key' while you were at dictionary.com :)

"one of a set of marked parts, designated areas, or levers pressed in operating a typewriter, computer terminal, calculator, etc"​

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/key

The thing on the iPhone has to have a noun (otherwise we have to call it 'the thing on the iPhone' :)) and 'keyboard' seems like the only sensible option. Preface it with 'virtual' to distinguish from a 'physical keyboard' and you're sorted. It is after all how these things have been described for many years (as, I suspect, every poster in this thread knows perfectly well! :))


I think "virtual" vs "real"

or

"hard" vs "soft"

or something like that is exactly correct.

I see your point in how under common usage it will be morphed to just "keyboard". In 10 years maybe all "keyboards" with be the 'virtual' type.

I'm sure that over the course of the past few year that's happened with such techology things. Sort of like we still "dial" the phone even though probably half a third of the population has never seen a dial on a phone first hand.
 

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Treo Franchise

Wondering what folks think...

It seems as though the question is no longer meaningful. Whatever was the case when the iPhone was announced, it is clear that there is not now a "Treo Franchise." While the iPhone may have had a little effect on that, Palm would have used it up all by themselves with no help from Apple.
 

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I see your point in how under common usage it will be morphed to just "keyboard". In 10 years maybe all "keyboards" with be the 'virtual' type.
I'm actually not convinced that it will happen even though one would expect it to.

Between those "laser/ir" keyboards from a few years back which just seemed so awesome and obvious and other virtual keyboards like TenGo's (which I actually liked), none really ever seem to catch on. Mostly b/c they just don't feel right (whatever that means).

Reinventing the keyboard just seems quite difficult. I don't even like today's keyboards, instead I'm hunting down one of those IBM M-series, which are still the best typing devices, imo (and seeing the prices they fetch, others agree).

I think that's why so many of us are skeptical.

As to the original topic: Palm is certainly down now and that's their own undoing, has nothing to do with Apple. But they are poised to make a big return if they don't screw it up. The next few months will be very critical for them.

The iPhone for the cell market will further drive the market for "sleeker" devices, which really kicked off with the Razr but in the end, will have limited impact do to price and carrier restrictions. In 6 months hopefully we'll all be talking about the "next big thing", which I hope involves the word Wimax ;)
 

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