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I grew up in the midwest. Used to go to Wisconsin every summer, back when the Braves were in Milwaukee. Was a fan for most of my life - until the Dbacks got here. Still follow the Braves. My son grew up a Braves fan, and he just sent me a video of his kids watching a game, doing the Tomahawk Chop.
I saw the Boston Braves play the Dodgers at Ebbets Field when i was a kid. Forget Glavine, they had a guy named Spahn who was the real deal. He actually threw strikes, not balls that were called strikes.
Here we go...lol. Glavine had more Cy Youngs, a better winning % and Glavine also competed for pitching starts with a group of pitchers who are arguably the best that ever touched a baseball (IE: Maddux and Smoltz)...Spahn didn't have to worry about this, and saw WAY more starts than Glavine, which helped make him stand out.
Spahn was an incredible pitcher.
Glavine was an incredible pitcher.
Both in the Hall of Fame...'nuff said.
OK, but you'll never convince me that Glavine didn't have some help from the umpires. Anyway, i guess you know what team has had the most Cy Young Award winners. When his time is up, Kershaw will be the best lefty that ever pitched, period.
PS. I'm a die hard Yankee hater, but i would choose Whitey Ford over Glavine, any day.:yes:
Every pitcher got help from umpiring at some point...and EVERY pitcher gets made to look like a super star by stellar defense at some point in their career.
And to be fair, since the Braves have been in Atlanta, they are tied with the Dodgers for Cy Young awards.
Just to chime in here: I don't know what value Kershaw being a Cy Young award winner has been since he has blown it for his team the past 2 seasons in do-or-die postseason games.
What's fair? The Braves have been in three cities, and the Dodgers in two. I wasn't talking about defense, but about umpiring help every time i saw him pitch against the Dodgers. When the Braves were in the Western Division, they played a lot of games against each other. I saw called strikes against righties, that would have hit a lefty if he was standing in the box. I've heard Skip Caray say that he "catches a break" once in a while. Glavine didn't "compete" for pitching starts with Maddux and Smoltz, he was assigned a spot in the rotation by the manager. I maintain that at least 25% of called strikes, especially strike three, were balls. The batter may have grounded out anyway, but that's not the point. When Kershaw gets in the Hall, people will say, "Glavine who"?
My boys have 27 of those rings!
My boys have only six, but i watched them get every one of them. The best was 1955.
I'm surprised you remember what it feels like to win a world championship. :beer:
My guys will win the next one, before your's will. Bobby Cox is gone. 1988 wasn't that long ago, and i still remember the look on Eckersley's face, after he threw that pitch to Gibson, and watched it go into the right field seats.
Guess we'll see! Right now you guys need to worry about getting into 1st place before you start thinking world series wins...our little makeshift small ball team in our defined "rebuilding" season is in 1st...you guys are chasing the...ahem...Rockies, lol!
And you know the beauty of the year 1988? Cars made in that year are now considered Antiques (when registering them)! Isn't that something?!