1. FFR's Avatar
    You have clearly done everything that you can think of, which I’m sure is difficult for you, to dodge explaining how it is that you know what everyone wants or doesn’t want. Don’t bother replying with another diversion. The readers of this thread can easily see what you’re up to.
    Not really, you just refuse to answer my one question, which is a bit peculiar.

    They sure can. Because everybody wants to buy an absurdly fat phone to keep in their pocket, amirite?
    08-27-2022 05:40 PM
  2. FFR's Avatar
    This guy definitely disagrees with you.

    That’s not a foldable iPhone, now is it?
    08-27-2022 05:42 PM
  3. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    That’s not a foldable iPhone, now is it?
    Nope, but you keep claiming that nobody wants fat “phone”. You seriously can’t even keep up with your part of a conversation much less anyone else’s. . I’ll bet you’re on ADD meds aren’t you.
    08-27-2022 05:47 PM
  4. FFR's Avatar
    Nope, but you keep claiming that nobody wants fat “phone”. You seriously can’t even keep up with your part of a conversation much less anyone else’s. . I’ll bet you’re on ADD meds aren’t you.
    It was valid since that was the topic of the thread.
    But posting a YouTuber who also owns a bunch of other slab phones as well doesn’t really prove the point you think you are proving.

    You can’t seem to answer my question. Can you?

    And a poorly based bet that would be, but hey if that’s what your on, no judgement here.
    08-27-2022 05:52 PM
  5. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    Foldable phones are selling out faster than they can make them. They are extremely popular right now. They are the foundation of Samsung's phone portfolio. They predict, very soon, they will represent more than 50% of their sales.

    I'm not currently a fan but you can't ignore the obvious fact that people love them.
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    08-27-2022 05:59 PM
  6. FFR's Avatar
    Foldable phones are selling out faster than they can make them. They are extremely popular right now. They are the foundation of Samsung's phone portfolio. They predict, very soon, they will represent more than 50% of their sales.

    I'm not currently a fan but you can't ignore the obvious fact that people love them.
    Sure if sales demonstrate that, but right now that doesn’t really look like the case. They haven’t sold out either I just checked Samsung and it’s says all of them are “in-stock” here in the uk even with the half off with a trade in promotion.

    That’s actually the rub. Samsungs prediction is half of all premium smartphones, not all smartphones. And that bar is sinking fast.






    And you are quite right you can’t ignore the fans that are buying it, however the fans that merely love it are quite inconsequential to these data points….until they buy a foldable.

    Give it a week, YouTubers and everyone else will move on once the iPhone 14 is launched, just like last year and the year before that.




    Edit: Non of the sources posted are from the Mogadishu times.
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    08-27-2022 06:23 PM
  7. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Sure if sales demonstrate that, but right now that doesn’t really look like the case. They haven’t sold out either I just checked Samsung and it’s says all of them are “in-stock” here in the uk even with the half off with a trade in promotion.

    That’s actually the rub. Samsungs prediction is half of all premium smartphones, not all smartphones. And that bar is sinking fast.

    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9c655ca236.png

    [IMG=1242x2688]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220827/0f7416669f05018312cab036b2fd3d2d.png[/url]


    And you are quite right you can’t ignore the fans that are buying it, however the fans that merely love it are quite inconsequential to these data points….until they buy a foldable.

    Give it a week, YouTubers and everyone else will move on once the iPhone 14 is launched, just like last year and the year before that.




    Edit: Non of the sources posted are from the Mogadishu times.
    Here we go with Samsung Hate all over again.

    “Here in the UK” explains alot.
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    08-27-2022 07:15 PM
  8. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    Sure if sales demonstrate that, but right now that doesn’t really look like the case. They haven’t sold out either I just checked Samsung and it’s says all of them are “in-stock” here in the uk even with the half off with a trade in promotion.

    That’s actually the rub. Samsungs prediction is half of all premium smartphones, not all smartphones. And that bar is sinking fast.

    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9c655ca236.png

    [IMG=1242x2688]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220827/0f7416669f05018312cab036b2fd3d2d.png[/url]


    And you are quite right you can’t ignore the fans that are buying it, however the fans that merely love it are quite inconsequential to these data points….until they buy a foldable.

    Give it a week, YouTubers and everyone else will move on once the iPhone 14 is launched, just like last year and the year before that.




    Edit: Non of the sources posted are from the Mogadishu times.
    The Fold 4 and Flip 4 have been out for a few days. We don't know how sales will be yet. We can see how it's been trending.

    https://www.gadgetguy.com.au/samsung...-phone-future/

    Like everything else new technology starts out slowly and then, as prices lower, becomes available to more people.

    I have a feeling if Apple was releasing one you'd be wetting your pants.
    08-27-2022 10:47 PM
  9. Up_And_Away's Avatar
    I don’t think they were extremely thick either. Certainly the screen flip out was thin because It was a crappy (pardon my English) little screen that got the job done (the whole phone got it done) but it was essentially an appliance LED front panel with just above calculator level processing. It could afford to save on LxWxH.
    But then again it was a loooong time ago. I may not remember it correctly.
    08-28-2022 01:55 AM
  10. Up_And_Away's Avatar
    If I make 10 of them and have 12 buyers, that doesn’t make it a smash hit, that just beat my production order. In today’s business world, holding inventory is a big no no. What isn’t a big no no is stories that claim ‘they are selling amazing!’
    Apple is not the biggest smartphone seller in terms of unit sales, Samsung is. I believe Apple is third. Apple’s type sales make it #1 only when counting the “premium” market. Apple’s production order is, reportedly, 90 million for the iPhone 14. Within the next 12 months Apple will obviously sell a lot of iPhone 14s but also a lot of other/pre 14 models. I think total unit sales will be are around 160 million units (that’s a guess-timate). Samsung will top that number by not an unsubstantial number though it will be non premium sales that buoy it to the number 1 spot.
    Absolutely No offense intended but the idea flips will “very soon” be 50% of Samsung is a paid for or planted media story propagated by enthusiastic fans of flips/folds. And it is a story in one form or another that played out last year too and likely will play out precisely this way again one year from now. And with all that YouTube comical fanfare and the fold fans enthusiasm, it will still represent in effect a niche market. It will be a device utterly, colossally dwarfed by the existing smartphone type (non fold) including Samsung. And that’s the way it is.
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    08-28-2022 02:20 AM
  11. FFR's Avatar
    The Fold 4 and Flip 4 have been out for a few days. We don't know how sales will be yet. We can see how it's been trending.

    https://www.gadgetguy.com.au/samsung...-phone-future/

    Like everything else new technology starts out slowly and then, as prices lower, becomes available to more people.

    I have a feeling if Apple was releasing one you'd be wetting your pants.
    Indeed but I wasn’t the one that claimed they were “selling out” when they obviously weren’t .

    It’s been about 3.5 years since the first foldable was announced. Demand is just not there.

    No thank you but if apple does release one feel free to wet your own pants, then as a nurse you might want to get that checked out.
    Last edited by FFR; 08-28-2022 at 04:24 AM.
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    08-28-2022 04:00 AM
  12. FFR's Avatar
    Here we go with Samsung Hate all over again.

    “Here in the UK” explains alot.
    Samsung Sales.
    It’s spelled S-A-L-E-S.
    08-28-2022 04:04 AM
  13. FFR's Avatar
    If I make 10 of them and have 12 buyers, that doesn’t make it a smash hit, that just beat my production order. In today’s business world, holding inventory is a big no no. What isn’t a big no no is stories that claim ‘they are selling amazing!’
    Apple is not the biggest smartphone seller in terms of unit sales, Samsung is. I believe Apple is third. Apple’s type sales make it #1 only when counting the “premium” market. Apple’s production order is, reportedly, 90 million for the iPhone 14. Within the next 12 months Apple will obviously sell a lot of iPhone 14s but also a lot of other/pre 14 models. I think total unit sales will be are around 160 million units (that’s a guess-timate). Samsung will top that number by not an unsubstantial number though it will be non premium sales that buoy it to the number 1 spot.
    Absolutely No offense intended but the idea flips will “very soon” be 50% of Samsung is a paid for or planted media story propagated by enthusiastic fans of flips/folds. And it is a story in one form or another that played out last year too and likely will play out precisely this way again one year from now. And with all that YouTube comical fanfare and the fold fans enthusiasm, it will still represent in effect a niche market. It will be a device utterly, colossally dwarfed by the existing smartphone type (non fold) including Samsung. And that’s the way it is.
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    08-28-2022 04:06 AM
  14. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    If I make 10 of them and have 12 buyers, that doesn’t make it a smash hit, that just beat my production order. In today’s business world, holding inventory is a big no no. What isn’t a big no no is stories that claim ‘they are selling amazing!’
    Apple is not the biggest smartphone seller in terms of unit sales, Samsung is. I believe Apple is third. Apple’s type sales make it #1 only when counting the “premium” market. Apple’s production order is, reportedly, 90 million for the iPhone 14. Within the next 12 months Apple will obviously sell a lot of iPhone 14s but also a lot of other/pre 14 models. I think total unit sales will be are around 160 million units (that’s a guess-timate). Samsung will top that number by not an unsubstantial number though it will be non premium sales that buoy it to the number 1 spot.
    That is exactly why they are pushing them. I believe the Fold 4 is something like $1800. I can't believe people spend that much for a phone. They were giving crazy trade in deals though to sell them.

    Samsung is a giant right now and is, I think, trying to follow Apple's model in some ways. They put out quality products. It's always good for the consumer to have competition.
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    08-28-2022 10:15 AM
  15. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Many of us here had the Motorola StarTac back in the mid-90’s and loved it. It was a smash hit for the company and in my use case, very practical. It was always with me and kept securely in its holster. With that being said, it was not a “smartphone”. I didn’t watch videos on it or make video calls. I didn’t take photos or store music on it. It was merely a mobile phone.

    Fast forward to today. I’ve played around with Samsung’s foldable phone while visiting a Best Buy store and I’ve seen the ads on TV. Unless Apple can make the iPhone the thickness of a toothpick, I’m not sure I’d be interested in a foldable iPhone.

    With the Motorola StarTac, you flipped it open, dialed a phone number, held the device to your ear and you talked to the person you called. Its design was arguably perfect for phone calls. Looking at the Samsung ads, I know I’m not going want to watch videos when the phone is folded and the screen is at half its size. I’m not going to want to text someone as if I’m using an old T-mobile Sidekick for those of you who remember it from the early 2000’s.

    It’s easy for “me” to agree right now that a foldable phone seems more gimmicky than practical.
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 08-28-2022 at 11:39 AM.
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    08-28-2022 11:10 AM
  16. Wotchered's Avatar
    No, ,bugrit , no !
    08-28-2022 11:26 AM
  17. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    Many of us here had the Motorola StarTac back in the mid-90’s and loved it. It was a smash hit for the company and in my use case, very practical. It was always with me and kept securely in its holster. With that being said, it was not a “smartphone”. I didn’t watch videos on it or make video calls. I didn’t take photos or store music on it. It was merely a mobile phone.

    Fast forward to today. I’ve played around with Samsung’s foldable phone while visiting a Best Buy store and I’ve seen the ads on TV. Unless Apple can make the iPhone the width of a toothpick, I’m not sure I’d be interested in a foldable iPhone.

    With the Motorola StarTac, you flipped it open, dial a phone number, held the device to your ear and you talked to the person you called. Its design was arguably perfect for phone calls. Looking at the Samsung ads, I know I’m not going want to watch videos when the phone is folded and the screen is at half its size. I’m not going to want to text someone as if I’m using an old T-mobile Sidekick for those of you who remember it from the early 2000’s.

    It’s easy for “me” to agree right now that a foldable phone seems more gimmicky than practical.
    Yup, for me I wouldn't use it as intended. For tens of millions of others with different usage needs, who knows.
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    08-28-2022 11:27 AM
  18. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Hard pass on a foldable phone.

    Now if I started using my iPad w/LTE I’d probably do away with iPhone.
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    08-28-2022 12:02 PM
  19. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    Hard pass on a foldable phone.

    Now if I started using my iPad w/LTE I’d probably do away with iPhone.
    And go with no phone or move to something else?
    08-28-2022 04:03 PM
  20. FFR's Avatar
    Many of us here had the Motorola StarTac back in the mid-90’s and loved it. It was a smash hit for the company and in my use case, very practical. It was always with me and kept securely in its holster. With that being said, it was not a “smartphone”. I didn’t watch videos on it or make video calls. I didn’t take photos or store music on it. It was merely a mobile phone.

    Fast forward to today. I’ve played around with Samsung’s foldable phone while visiting a Best Buy store and I’ve seen the ads on TV. Unless Apple can make the iPhone the thickness of a toothpick, I’m not sure I’d be interested in a foldable iPhone.

    With the Motorola StarTac, you flipped it open, dialed a phone number, held the device to your ear and you talked to the person you called. Its design was arguably perfect for phone calls. Looking at the Samsung ads, I know I’m not going want to watch videos when the phone is folded and the screen is at half its size. I’m not going to want to text someone as if I’m using an old T-mobile Sidekick for those of you who remember it from the early 2000’s.

    It’s easy for “me” to agree right now that a foldable phone seems more gimmicky than practical.
    Those startacs were crazy expensive at the time, the first ones had lousy batteries but at least you could always carry a spare.

    Are the ads really showcasing consumers only using half a screen.

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    08-28-2022 04:13 PM
  21. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    And go with no phone or move to something else?
    If my iPad would function as an 11.5” iPhone then it’s all I’d use.
    08-28-2022 08:17 PM
  22. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    If my iPad would function as an 11.5” iPhone then it’s all I’d use.
    You would need some big pockets.
    08-28-2022 09:34 PM
  23. Up_And_Away's Avatar
    Samsung is a very solid name brand, no doubt. They lost me on TVs for a bit but they’ve fixed that. I’ve had some refrigerator issues but overall buying Samsung almost always means good quality.
    And no doubt Samsung personal electronics division wants to be like Apple. Imho Samsung is smart in that they see what Apple does then tries to mimic it. (Apple haters plug your ears for this truth) Everyone wants to be like Apple, full stop. Apple’s brand name and iconic cachet, with customer loyalty and retention being gaudy but its financial success is hysterically gaudy. Everyone is basically in last place compared to Apple’s financial success. But even beyond that Apple has the ace card, own’s the mountain top, is in a class by itself because it has near complete vertical integration control to make highly efficient devices within an ecosystem. This is a titanic advantage for Apple. Samsung is probably the closest to that (maybe Google) but they are a very VERY distant second place.
    I say all that to say Samsung “trying” to be like Apple for premium market share should be called Project Failure. I could go on and on about why (my posts are frequently too long to start with :-) ) but the one huge reason is the different markets. Tech channels love to clamor Samsung phone vs IPhone (or the more comical ‘X phone’ is the next iPhone killer). Wrong! It’s made up clickbait. Samsung’s is a specific market, Android phones. Switchers between IOS and Android are small, far too little to shift a market. But in the Android market Samsung has big competition. They even have the damn OS maker trying to make a Google ecosystem. Samsung is always going to struggle to keep sales numbers in the premium market while forced by competition to go thinner margins (unsustainable business model). That ain’t being Apple and IMHO the Android market dynamics doesn’t really have the space for an Apple. On top of that, Apple has a very narrow focus of products that allow it to keep the entire culture focused. Samsung is a maker of nearly everything. Yes, They will be split into divisions but that still means a culture that cannot copy Apple, it’s just not possible.
    I say good luck to Samsung on the folds/flips. Ironically their sales would be most positively effected by Apple offering a fold/flip. What Apple does, often so goes the overall industry. But as I opined before, flip/folds is a solution in search of a problem, trading off a number of things that are the basis for the existing phone market. Project Failure.
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    08-29-2022 03:17 AM
  24. Up_And_Away's Avatar
    The retractable Iphad! (I’m betting in 2 to 3 years this will hit the rumor mill of “Apple working on a retractable IPhone and IPad called the Iphad. :-) ).
    08-29-2022 03:21 AM
  25. FFR's Avatar
    Samsung is a very solid name brand, no doubt. They lost me on TVs for a bit but they’ve fixed that. I’ve had some refrigerator issues but overall buying Samsung almost always means good quality.
    And no doubt Samsung personal electronics division wants to be like Apple. Imho Samsung is smart in that they see what Apple does then tries to mimic it. (Apple haters plug your ears for this truth) Everyone wants to be like Apple, full stop. Apple’s brand name and iconic cachet, with customer loyalty and retention being gaudy but its financial success is hysterically gaudy. Everyone is basically in last place compared to Apple’s financial success. But even beyond that Apple has the ace card, own’s the mountain top, is in a class by itself because it has near complete vertical integration control to make highly efficient devices within an ecosystem. This is a titanic advantage for Apple. Samsung is probably the closest to that (maybe Google) but they are a very VERY distant second place.
    I say all that to say Samsung “trying” to be like Apple for premium market share should be called Project Failure. I could go on and on about why (my posts are frequently too long to start with :-) ) but the one huge reason is the different markets. Tech channels love to clamor Samsung phone vs IPhone (or the more comical ‘X phone’ is the next iPhone killer). Wrong! It’s made up clickbait. Samsung’s is a specific market, Android phones. Switchers between IOS and Android are small, far too little to shift a market. But in the Android market Samsung has big competition. They even have the damn OS maker trying to make a Google ecosystem. Samsung is always going to struggle to keep sales numbers in the premium market while forced by competition to go thinner margins (unsustainable business model). That ain’t being Apple and IMHO the Android market dynamics doesn’t really have the space for an Apple. On top of that, Apple has a very narrow focus of products that allow it to keep the entire culture focused. Samsung is a maker of nearly everything. Yes, They will be split into divisions but that still means a culture that cannot copy Apple, it’s just not possible.
    I say good luck to Samsung on the folds/flips. Ironically their sales would be most positively effected by Apple offering a fold/flip. What Apple does, often so goes the overall industry. But as I opined before, flip/folds is a solution in search of a problem, trading off a number of things that are the basis for the existing phone market. Project Failure.
    Apple and project failure.
    Up_And_Away likes this.
    08-29-2022 04:36 AM
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