1. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Never mind
    I don't blame Hillary for some of the same type stuff you mentioned that goes the other way. And there's plenty of it. Most of the violence is being done by the young Democrats. Perpetuated by Soros's money and moveon.xxx.
    11-11-2016 10:43 AM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Never mind
    I hear you. The article you posted contained links to articles dated Nov. 2015. At that point in time numerous people were still jockeying for nomination on both sides of the political aisle. A good deal of the rhetoric therein has changed, in my opinion. Anyway, enjoy your day, sir...
    11-11-2016 10:43 AM
  3. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I don't blame Hillary for some of the same type stuff you mentioned that goes the other way. And there's plenty of it. Most of the violence is being done by the young Democrats. Perpetuated by Soros's money and moveon.xxx.
    I would say most of them have no idea about politics let alone have a party affiliation. You should have seen the morons here in Los Angeles blocking the 101 freeway. Just a bunch of young kids on their phones recording stuff because they think it's cool. The type of people in their early 20's who don't have a job and have no idea how to even register to vote. There really isn't a message. I have yet to get a clear-cut and underlying answer as to what these protests and "demonstrations" are aimed to accomplish. People were saying over and over how if Trump lost the election that his supporters would be doing these things because they couldn't accept a loss. Whether or not that would have happened, we will never know. But they're portraying the same behavior they accused others of when it didn't even happen.

    Edit: Spelling error
    Last edited by BreakingKayfabe; 11-11-2016 at 06:41 PM.
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    11-11-2016 01:51 PM
  4. robertk328's Avatar
    Ok, agree to disagree
    Last edited by robertk328; 11-11-2016 at 05:18 PM.
    11-11-2016 05:00 PM
  5. sgs's Avatar
    I am optimistically hopefully that fiscal sanity will return.
    11-14-2016 01:10 PM
  6. Quis89's Avatar
    I have yet to get a clear-cut and underlying answer as to what these protests and "demonstrations" are aimed to accomplish.
    It's simple. To be heard. Which is something they have the right to. Whether you agree with it or not. They certainly have the right to be heard.

    They do not have the right to damage property, harm others who disagree or disrespect others. But I won't speak down on anyone exercising their right to protest.
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    11-14-2016 04:24 PM
  7. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    It's simple. To be heard. Which is something they have the right to. Whether you agree with it or not. They certainly have the right to be heard.

    They do not have the right to damage property, harm others who disagree or disrespect others. But I won't speak down on anyone exercising their right to protest.
    There are plenty of things I have a right to do. I won't do them because it's a waste of my time. Same for them.
    11-14-2016 05:47 PM
  8. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    There are plenty of things I have a right to do. I won't do them because it's a waste of my time. Same for them.
    It appears many were bused in and paid. Ads were run on Craigslist for protesters. Not exactly a grassroots movement.
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    11-14-2016 11:06 PM
  9. Quis89's Avatar
    There are plenty of things I have a right to do. I won't do them because it's a waste of my time. Same for them.
    All you wanted to know is what they hope to accomplish. The answer is nothing more than to let it be known they disagree.
    11-15-2016 01:10 AM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    All you wanted to know is what they hope to accomplish. The answer is nothing more than to let it be known they disagree.
    I mean absolutely no disrespect here, but unless you're out there, what position are you in to speak for them by saying that's their underlying reason? If they've already voted because they disagree then isn't all of this just redundant and being done in vain? Seems like quite the waste of time on top of wasting resources. How about replenish, regroup, and put all this energy towards an effort in 2018 during mid-terms? Feels like this all adds to the modern liberal narrative that everyone must get a trophy and if we don't we will whine and pout about it. It's a terrible example to showcase in front of younger minds.
    11-15-2016 01:17 AM
  11. Quis89's Avatar
    I mean absolutely no disrespect here, but unless you're out there, what position are you in to speak for them by saying that's their underlying reason? If they've already voted because they disagree then isn't all of this just redundant and being done in vain?
    This is always interesting to me. Someone who disagrees and has taken no time to actually speak with the other side offering their take on what they feel is misguided or a waste of time. This is similar to those who say BLM is a terror group while watching the news and not actually engaging with those who are a part of the movement. Am I out in the streets protesting? No. But I'm surrounded by those who are. I talk to them. I talk to both sides. I've got great friends who were up until 3 AM a few nights ago in Downtown Chicago protesting. I spoke with them the same day I had lunch with a good friend who is a strong Donald Trump supporter.

    The issue here is that none of you actually care about the other side. I'm far from a Trump supporter...but I hear what people are saying in support of him. I just don't agree with it.

    Maybe rather than watching the news and offering suggestions on a message board, you can go out and engage with those who are protesting. Hear WHY they feel the way they feel. Empathize with their desire to simply be heard. Educate them on how they may better get their voices out. Don't talk down on them and say what they are doing is a waste of time. No protest is a waste of time. They all have their reasons and their goals. If for nothing else than to send a message.

    If I'm in no position to speak on their underlying reason, you certainly aren't in one to call their efforts a "waste of time". The quality of time spent is subjective. What is a waste to you may be all someone else has. Never forget how powerful our voices are. White people (and even some blacks) once said that boycotting the buses on Montgomery was pointless.

    And as far as this "liberal narrative" people like to imply exists...don't for one second think that had Hillary won there wouldn't have been protests. The talk was already surfacing prior to the results in talks about a rigged election and interviews with supporters saying they were "ready for the uprising" if the election was "stolen" from Trump. This is no "liberal" agenda...This is the country you live in.
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    11-15-2016 10:12 AM
  12. comiken205's Avatar
    I have to agree 100% with Evilguppy here. Also, (as a double minority) not only am I terrified of the repercussions of a Trump presidency... I am equally terrified by the fact that Pence is now the VP. What a horrid individual. Another topic that many seem to ignore is the effect Trump will potentially have on the environment. I fear for our planet. Furthermore, this man has no experience with government affairs. Just because you are rich AF and know how to run a business, does not mean you have the knowledge to run a country. These are sad times for the US. I am truly embarrassed.
    The environment as we use our iPhones made from rare metals that contaminate the environment. One main reason we don't refine those rare metals in the USA anymore. When you start using a telegraph and use a horse to get to work, then I'll back the environment debate. (I agree that we need to spot green house emissions and I believe in climate change.)
    11-15-2016 10:53 AM
  13. comiken205's Avatar
    HUH? What does HRC have to do with the Trump swastikas? The guy called "Apu" and told he'd have to leave now? The gay man hit in the bottle because there's a new president? Are you blaming that on HRC? Wow.
    Well if Trump did paint those swastikas I want him impeached. But you can't blame someone else for another person's racism. I can show documented history on Trump involved in the black community. Hanging with Shaprton and Jackson. And the millions he poured into the minority community. But let's go ahead and use the race card because "fail".
    11-15-2016 10:56 AM
  14. comiken205's Avatar
    Of course, not, and it's not the fault of Trump either. The gay man hit with a bottle is the fault of the person who hit him. What does Trump have to do with the swastikas? The people who put out the swastikas are to blame for that, but who's to say that those people weren't activists supporting HRC? It's not uncommon for activists to create a situation that makes it looks as if the opposition is to blame. The guy called "Apu" was not told to leave by Trump.
    So I guess we can call HRC racist too! Look at the white man who was beat up by the black men and accused him of voting for Trump. Just saying.
    11-15-2016 10:57 AM
  15. comiken205's Avatar
    One thing I did note. Did you guys see the professional signs people were holding on the first night of demostrations? Grass roots?
    11-15-2016 11:00 AM
  16. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    This is always interesting to me. Someone who disagrees and has taken no time to actually speak with the other side offering their take on what they feel is misguided or a waste of time. This is similar to those who say BLM is a terror group while watching the news and not actually engaging with those who are a part of the movement. Am I out in the streets protesting? No. But I'm surrounded by those who are. I talk to them. I talk to both sides. I've got great friends who were up until 3 AM a few nights ago in Downtown Chicago protesting. I spoke with them the same day I had lunch with a good friend who is a strong Donald Trump supporter.

    The issue here is that none of you actually care about the other side. I'm far from a Trump supporter...but I hear what people are saying in support of him. I just don't agree with it.

    Maybe rather than watching the news and offering suggestions on a message board, you can go out and engage with those who are protesting. Hear WHY they feel the way they feel. Empathize with their desire to simply be heard. Educate them on how they may better get their voices out. Don't talk down on them and say what they are doing is a waste of time. No protest is a waste of time. They all have their reasons and their goals. If for nothing else than to send a message.

    If I'm in no position to speak on their underlying reason, you certainly aren't in one to call their efforts a "waste of time". The quality of time spent is subjective. What is a waste to you may be all someone else has. Never forget how powerful our voices are. White people (and even some blacks) once said that boycotting the buses on Montgomery was pointless.

    And as far as this "liberal narrative" people like to imply exists...don't for one second think that had Hillary won there wouldn't have been protests. The talk was already surfacing prior to the results in talks about a rigged election and interviews with supporters saying they were "ready for the uprising" if the election was "stolen" from Trump. This is no "liberal" agenda...This is the country you live in.
    "The issue here is that none of you actually care about the other side."

    Nope. The chance was there and they failed at it miserably and are channeling their anger with themselves towards something meaningless. I sat on the 101 freeway the other night when these nimrods were "protesting." I've already seen it first hand and I've seen the type of protester they are.

    Of course quality of time is subjective.
    I happen to think in this instance there are plenty of people without jobs who have way too much time on their hands. These are people who would actually stand to benefit from a Trump presidency if his policies succeed. It's my opinion. If they want to continue to harp on what could have been then maybe they oughta be angry that their candidate didn't take the time to even come see them, the little guy, during her own campaigning. Even Obama chastised her over this yesterday. And deservedly so.

    And please, please, please DO NOT insult those who boycotted buses in Montgomery to this. That was a movement that lead to something enormous. What is happening now is nothing short of political grassroots.

    And please stop trying to combat all of this with the argument that Donald Trump supporters would have done the same because it was being implied. It didn't happen, and that is that.
    11-15-2016 11:39 AM
  17. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    One thing I did note. Did you guys see the professional signs people were holding on the first night of demostrations? Soros?
    FTFY
    11-15-2016 11:39 AM
  18. Quis89's Avatar
    "The issue here is that none of you actually care about the other side."

    Nope. The chance was there and they failed at it miserably and are channeling their anger with themselves towards something meaningless. I sat on the 101 freeway the other night when these nimrods were "protesting." I've already seen it first hand and I've seen the type of protester they are.
    You're speaking on the "what" and not the "why". If I watch my kids crying but don't care about why they are crying then I really don't care all that much. You don't sound like you've actually spoken with anyone on the other side of the fence to even try to understand what is going on in this country. Trump is going to build a similar wall of separation.

    Of course quality of time is subjective.
    I happen to think in this instance there are plenty of people without jobs who have way too much time on their hands. These are people who would actually stand to benefit from a Trump presidency if his policies succeed. It's my opinion. If they want to continue to harp on what could have been then maybe they oughta be angry that their candidate didn't take the time to even come see them, the little guy, during her own campaigning. Even Obama chastised her over this yesterday. And deservedly so.
    I never understand why people assume those who protest don't work. Don't you people have PTO or leave or anything in your jobs? Not to mention how insulting it is to imply just because one protests they have nothing else going for them in their lives. Trump alienated a lot of people during his campaign. I never saw Trump before a crowd of minorities. But I see many minorities protesting. I saw Hillary before many minorities. There are more people in America than white middle class workers (which is the predominate demographic Trump spoke with). Trump appealed to African American voters before a crowd of all white people. Who did you say he was spending his time seeing again?

    And please, please, please DO NOT insult those who boycotted buses in Montgomery to this. That was a movement that lead to something enormous. What is happening now is nothing short of political grassroots.
    The comparison is simple. People who feel as though they have no other means of being heard are exercising their right to protest and be heard. People who feel disenfranchised and unheard simply using their voices. (Aside from those channeling their frustrations in destructive methods. I will never condone or support or defend those actions).

    And please stop trying to combat all of this with the argument that Donald Trump supporters would have done the same because it was being implied. It didn't happen, and that is that.
    Then please stop pretending this is a "liberal agenda".
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    11-15-2016 11:52 AM
  19. MJ502's Avatar
    @Quis89 I applaud you.
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    11-15-2016 12:21 PM
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    11-15-2016 12:35 PM
  21. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    You're speaking on the "what" and not the "why". If I watch my kids crying but don't care about why they are crying then I really don't care all that much. You don't sound like you've actually spoken with anyone on the other side of the fence to even try to understand what is going on in this country. Trump is going to build a similar wall of separation.
    Have you ever seen videos of a fight in the stands at a football game? You know, the type of people that you see way in the upper deck and bleachers. That's what I see here in Los Angeles who are "protesting". If you actually believe anyone can sit and have a meaningful conversation with people like that, then more power to you.

    I never saw Trump before a crowd of minorities. But I see many minorities protesting. I saw Hillary before many minorities. There are more people in America than white middle class workers (which is the predominate demographic Trump spoke with). Trump appealed to African American voters before a crowd of all white people. Who did you say he was spending his time seeing again?
    I said "little guy" and you're equating that with minorities. Why can't people who have suffererd economic injustice be something other than a minority? Why must it always be about African Americans? The people who went out and voted proved exactly what I'm talking about. Talk about builing a wall of separation. Stop mixing race with it.

    The comparison is simple. People who feel as though they have no other means of being heard are exercising their right to protest and be heard. People who feel disenfranchised and unheard simply using their voices. (Aside from those channeling their frustrations in destructive methods. I will never condone or support or defend those actions).
    Here's a small sample size from the riots in Oregon on people who are there causing trouble but didn't actually use their voices to vote.
    More Than Half of Anti-Trump Protesters Arrested in Portland Apparently Didn?t Vote | Mediaite
    11-15-2016 01:04 PM
  22. Quis89's Avatar
    Have you ever seen videos of a fight in the stands at a football game? You know, the type of people that you see way in the upper deck and bleachers. That's what I see here in Los Angeles who are "protesting". If you actually believe anyone can sit and have a meaningful conversation with people like that, then more power to you.
    The one doesn't define the many.


    I said "little guy" and you're equating that with minorities. Why can't people who have suffererd economic injustice be something other than a minority? Why must it always be about African Americans? The people who went out and voted proved exactly what I'm talking about. Talk about builing a wall of separation. Stop mixing race with it.
    The "little guy" comes in all shapes, sizes and color. Just because you choose to look at one demographic doesn't mean the other doesn't exist. The discussion of race shouldn't always offend those who can't relate. I understand those who felt economically depressed and I've spoken with many of people who voted Trump for that very reason. But there are also other "little guys" who wanted empathy as well that didn't get it.

    Here's a small sample size from the riots in Oregon on people who are there causing trouble but didn't actually use their voices to vote.
    More Than Half of Anti-Trump Protesters Arrested in Portland Apparently Didn?t Vote | Mediaite
    Those are people who should stay at home since they choose to not partake in the process. My argument isn't that every protester is perfect or right. But simply that there is a group of citizens who want to be heard and they have the right to be.
    11-15-2016 01:23 PM
  23. Ricktye's Avatar
    I will NEVER support a man who makes sport of sexually victimizing women, a nazi, a thief, a swindler, a hateful bigot, never. I have survived way too much to meekly accept this revolting excuse for a man as president.
    You've been reading, and it looks like believing, all the BS put forward by the ultra left leaning media. I would have thought in this day and age you'd realize the only purpose the press seems to be serving is to stir up disaccord.
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    11-15-2016 01:32 PM
  24. robertk328's Avatar
    @Quis89 I applaud you.
    This.
    11-15-2016 07:07 PM
  25. Evilguppy's Avatar
    Well, as they say: the proof is in the pudding. For Pete's sake, just look at the people he is putting in his cabinet. If anyone had any doubts as to what kind of administration we will be dealing with, just look at his cabinet.
    And if you're not scared, you should be.
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    11-16-2016 07:15 PM
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