1. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Under any administration.

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    Meh. Unfortunately we're in the Obama Administration.


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    03-01-2015 11:41 AM
  2. jeffgus's Avatar
    Hey all,
    Here is a pretty good article about the FCC and Netflix:

    Netflix, call your lawyers: FCC is ready for interconnection complaints | Ars Technica

    The article starts off reporting that Netflix thinks that the new FCC rules may help them. But they also note that purposeful throttling was never an issue with Netflix:

    As a clarification, ISPs were not (as far as we know) "throttling" interconnection points. Rather, they refused to add capacity until they received money, which had a similar effect because it caused congestion that slowed Internet traffic down.
    Well, duh, that is how peering works. If they don't like it, use standard transit bandwidth and hope for the best.

    Reading the article just confirms to me that Netflix is just a bunch of whiners. They want to restructure the entire fee structure of the Internet so they don't have to pay for packet delivery over peering. Okay fine, they can hold that belief, but it is radically different than the way the Internet works right now. They are using the issue of Net Neutrality to dupe people in to supporting them. Then they want to use that sway to enlist the government to help them. Sorry, I don't want to helping a large company mold the government for their own purposes while telling us it is for freedom. I don't buy it.

    We'll see if the new rules actually help Netflix. As stated earlier, it is not yet clear that it will. It seems that Netflix thinks than this is just the first step.

    I would be more on board it there were plenty of cases of companies blocking sites and purposely slowing traffic.
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    03-01-2015 08:08 PM
  3. grover5's Avatar
    Hey all,
    Here is a pretty good article about the FCC and Netflix:

    Netflix, call your lawyers: FCC is ready for interconnection complaints | Ars Technica

    The article starts off reporting that Netflix thinks that the new FCC rules may help them. But they also note that purposeful throttling was never an issue with Netflix:



    Well, duh, that is how peering works. If they don't like it, use standard transit bandwidth and hope for the best.

    Reading the article just confirms to me that Netflix is just a bunch of whiners. They want to restructure the entire fee structure of the Internet so they don't have to pay for packet delivery over peering. Okay fine, they can hold that belief, but it is radically different than the way the Internet works right now. They are using the issue of Net Neutrality to dupe people in to supporting them. Then they want to use that sway to enlist the government to help them. Sorry, I don't want to helping a large company mold the government for their own purposes while telling us it is for freedom. I don't buy it.

    We'll see if the new rules actually help Netflix. As stated earlier, it is not yet clear that it will. It seems that Netflix thinks than this is just the first step.

    I would be more on board it there were plenty of cases of companies blocking sites and purposely slowing traffic.
    That was the point of the ruling. Comcast, Verizon and AT&T wanted the right to slow and block.

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    03-01-2015 11:55 PM
  4. Septembersrain's Avatar
    It is a very good day. Thankful for the democrats and net neutrality. Obamacare has helped millions of uninsured people get insurance while decreasing the rate of increased insurance cost. I'll take that any day.
    You have no idea just how ridiculous Obamacare really is. Costs didn't go down for everyone. Add in the fact that you couldn't keep your own doctor, couldn't visit a specialist without a referral, then to add injury to insult... They got hacked and many people had their info sold. Oh and 80k people got wrong Tax information too. Being fined for not having the healthcare you couldn't afford? That's like giving a broke man a fine for being broke! Counterproductive if you ask me.

    As for net neutrality, I'm waiting to see the real cost in all this.
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    03-02-2015 06:02 AM
  5. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    You have no idea just how ridiculous Obamacare really is. Costs didn't go down for everyone. Add in the fact that you couldn't keep your own doctor, couldn't visit a specialist without a referral, then to add injury to insult... They got hacked and many people had their info sold. Oh and 80k people got wrong Tax information too. Being fined for not having the healthcare you couldn't afford? That's like giving a broke man a fine for being broke! Counterproductive if you ask me.

    As for net neutrality, I'm waiting to see the real cost in all this.
    We should have kept what we had...... It was perfect right?
    03-02-2015 01:19 PM
  6. kch50428's Avatar
    03-02-2015 01:24 PM
  7. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Again, if you are defining "fast lanes" as peering then you have no idea how the Internet works. Any peering connection that is not settlement free requires the party that is sending the bulk of the traffic to pay for delivery.
    I don't have a dog in this fight yet because now that it has become political I really haven't taken a stance one way or the other considering my limited knowledge of laws that relate to net neutrality among other things. That said, I'm trying to understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that a provider holds a legal right to charge more to a service like Netflix based on the bulk of traffic they bring as the law currently stands? Trust me, I've read all these posts but I'm still confused as to why people are upset that Comcast would charge a big company with a heavy load of traffic more money for bandwidth speeds. It seemed plausible to me when I first started reading about this with the Verizon/Netflix thing.
    03-02-2015 01:40 PM
  8. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    We should have kept what we had...... It was perfect right?
    No, it wasn't. But are we going to keep using that question to counter-argue whatever point someone makes now? It's tantamount to the "Well, we were in that war because of Bush" argument whenever we get into a discussion on war and terrorism.
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    03-02-2015 01:42 PM
  9. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    We should have kept what we had...... It was perfect right?
    No, not perfect. Just better, in my opinion. Some people were without health insurance before the healthcare law went into effect and some people are still without health insurance, but this time they'll be fined for not having it. What people like to exclude is that a lot of people didn't have health insurance because they didn't want it or felt that it was unnecessary at the time. Some people still feel that way. They had the right to choose and the healthcare law took away that right.
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 03-02-2015 at 03:18 PM.
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    03-02-2015 02:17 PM
  10. grover5's Avatar
    I know what Jeff is saying is factual... and you, grover5, don't know what the FCCs new rules are because they've not been made public... You only know the ordure your favorite social justice technoblogs are dropping in the proverbial sandbox.
    Wheeler announced the gist of what he was going to back in early February Keith. So you are wrong again. You just have to read the news, not what Rupert Murdoch tells you but the actual news.
    03-02-2015 06:34 PM
  11. grover5's Avatar
    No, not perfect. Just better, in my opinion. Some people were without health insurance before the healthcare law went into effect and some people are still without health insurance, but this time they'll be fined for not having it. What people like to exclude is that a lot of people didn't have health insurance because they didn't want it or felt that it was unnecessary at the time. Some people still feel that way. They had the right to choose and the healthcare law took away that right.
    There are over 10 million more people covered now than before the law went into effect. And because of them not choosing as you put it the insurance companies raised prices on everyone else and we paid for their visits to the emergency rooms when they finally did need healthcare.
    03-02-2015 06:36 PM
  12. kch50428's Avatar
    Wheeler announced the gist of what he was going to back in early February Keith. So you are wrong again. You just have to read the news, not what Rupert Murdoch tells you but the actual news.
    You are likely even more ill informed than you think I am. And until the FCC actually releases the full text of the rules, Wheeler's "gist" isn't worth a bucket of spit... warm or cold.
    03-02-2015 06:39 PM
  13. grover5's Avatar
    You have no idea just how ridiculous Obamacare really is. Costs didn't go down for everyone. Add in the fact that you couldn't keep your own doctor, couldn't visit a specialist without a referral, then to add injury to insult... They got hacked and many people had their info sold. Oh and 80k people got wrong Tax information too. Being fined for not having the healthcare you couldn't afford? That's like giving a broke man a fine for being broke! Counterproductive if you ask me.

    As for net neutrality, I'm waiting to see the real cost in all this.
    There were issues with tax information. A major screw up no doubt. I kept my own doctor as did over 90% of those being covered. Cost went down for most people but there are instances where they went up but in those instances people were paying for bare bones and did see a better plan for the cost. It isn't perfect but it lowered the rate at which healthcare cost was rising across the country and insured over 10 million uninsured people. I'd like to continue to improve on it though.
    03-02-2015 06:41 PM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    There are over 10 million more people covered now than before the law went into effect.
    10 million more is not the same as "everybody".
    And because of them not choosing as you put it the insurance companies raised prices on everyone else
    Yet, how many people's premiums "increased" after the healthcare law went into effect? If anything, the price increases was made worse for many people.
    and we paid for their visits to the emergency rooms when they finally did need healthcare.
    Are you under the impression that we all aren't still paying for them? Some of us aren't paying more.
    03-02-2015 06:41 PM
  15. grover5's Avatar
    You are likely even more ill informed than you think I am. And until the FCC actually releases the full text of the rules, Wheeler's "gist" isn't worth a bucket of spit... warm or cold.
    Wheeler announced it ahead of time Keith. It's pretty clear to everyone but I'll leave you with your bucket of spit and your doubts.
    03-02-2015 06:44 PM
  16. grover5's Avatar
    I didn't say 10 million was everyone so I'm not sure where that came from. I gave the number because you said some people. The majority in this country are paying less now than they were. That is a national average, you'll have to glance at your own state to see how it did. You stated that people had a choice to have healthcare or not. I offered the impact that "choice" had on everyone else. Now you're upset because there are still some people making that choice despite the law prohibiting it?
    03-02-2015 06:48 PM
  17. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I didn't say 10 million was everyone so I'm not sure where that came from. I gave the number because you said some people.
    The promise of Obamacare was to provide healthcare for "everyone", even though "everyone" had access to healthcare. What was missing was health insurance, and many of the uninsured were uninsured by choice. Obamacare was then drummed up to provide "everyone" will health insurance. Well, now that it is law, "everyone" is still not covered.
    The majority in this country are paying less now than they were.
    That "majority" you speak of is not true in my neck of the woods. "EVERYONE" I know is paying a lot more than before Obamacare became law.
    That is a national average, you'll have to glance at your own state to see how it did.
    Okay
    You stated that people had a choice to have healthcare or not.
    Yes, they did.
    I offered the impact that "choice" had on everyone else.
    I, who am a part of "everyone else" was not negatively impacted in the sense that you and some others are trying to make it seem.
    Now you're upset because there are still some people making that choice despite the law prohibiting it?
    I am not, nor did I give that impression. My point was that Obamacare didn't do anything other than take away a freedom and collect a tax/fee/dues, or whatever the heck they're calling it, under the guise of insuring "all Americans" when "all Americans" still don't have health insurance. The uninsured segment should have been helped without having to affect us all.
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    03-02-2015 07:04 PM
  18. grover5's Avatar
    The promise of Obamacare was to provide healthcare for "everyone", even though "everyone" had access to healthcare. What was missing was health insurance, and many of the uninsured were uninsured by choice. Obamacare was then drummed up to provide "everyone" will health insurance. Well, now that it is law, "everyone" is still not covered. That "majority" you speak of is not true in my neck of the woods. "EVERYONE" I know is paying a lot more than before Obamacare became law. Okay Yes, they did. I, who am a part of "everyone else" was not negatively impacted in the sense that you and some others are trying to make it seem. I am not, nor did I give that impression. My point was that Obamacare didn't do anything other than take away a freedom and collect a tax/fee/dues, or whatever the heck they're calling it, under the guise of insuring "all Americans" when "all Americans" still don't have health insurance. The uninsured segment should have been helped without having to affect us all.
    Republican governors have been denying the expanded medicaid coverage. What state are you in? Florida?

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    03-02-2015 10:31 PM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Republican governors have been denying the expanded medicaid coverage. What state are you in? Florida?

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    Okay.
    03-02-2015 10:33 PM
  20. kch50428's Avatar
    Republican governors have been denying the expanded medicaid coverage. What state are you in? Florida?
    you've consumed more than a fair share of the social justice koolaid...
    03-02-2015 10:37 PM
  21. grover5's Avatar
    Okay.
    What state are you in?

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    03-02-2015 10:56 PM
  22. grover5's Avatar
    you've consumed more than a fair share of the social justice koolaid...
    You're not offering much beyond bumper stickers.

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    03-02-2015 10:57 PM
  23. Septembersrain's Avatar
    You're not offering much beyond bumper stickers.

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    And putting all your faith in a flawed system that has a band aid over it is better?

    May as well sell girl scout cookies with that philosophy.
    03-02-2015 11:01 PM
  24. Septembersrain's Avatar
    What state are you in?

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    Why does that matter so much to you? I've lived in about 10 different states. You've crap no matter where you park your behind.
    03-02-2015 11:02 PM
  25. grover5's Avatar
    And putting all your faith in a flawed system that has a band aid over it is better?

    May as well sell girl scout cookies with that philosophy.
    I don't know what that means.

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    03-02-2015 11:05 PM
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