1. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Everyone has to start somewhere. I wouldn't consider it a disqualification.

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    SMH.


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    02-27-2015 01:44 PM
  2. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I'm assuming everyone here is comfortable with bloomberg...

    Obamacare Effect Linked to Lower Medical Cost Estimates - Bloomberg Business
    Bloomberg is a crook.
    02-27-2015 01:59 PM
  3. kch50428's Avatar
    These new rules have yet to be published for public consumption by the FCC... what are they waiting for?
    02-27-2015 02:01 PM
  4. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I'm assuming everyone here is comfortable with Fox News..

    Save the Internet
    02-27-2015 02:06 PM
  5. kch50428's Avatar
    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/57...976384/photo/1

    Just remembered this classic quote about a public utility Internet paving the way for silencing climate skeptics.
    Net neutrality takes a major leap today!-b-0bxkauaaays-s.png

    Somebody here will come back and think this is an excellent idea...
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    02-27-2015 02:24 PM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    How can I explain this? Certain laws and rules appear good, er um, fair on the surface, but years later is when we find out that how bad it really is. For example, remember when all of the historical preservation boards started springing up all across the country? Deeming certain areas and properties as needing to be "preserved" for historical purposes sounds great. Yet, many people found out after being cited for code violations that it would be cheaper to tear down and rebuild than to repair, but being that the property was deemed historical, they weren't allowed to tear down and rebuild. Granted, that was a few years ago. Still, my point is this: when government gets involved, we the people lose, and the effects aren't immediately felt.
    02-27-2015 02:31 PM
  7. kch50428's Avatar
    Still, my point is this: when government gets involved, we the people lose, and the effects aren't immediately felt.
    Indeed.
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    02-27-2015 02:33 PM
  8. grover5's Avatar
    Bloomberg is a crook.
    Bloomberg news is a crook?
    02-27-2015 02:56 PM
  9. grover5's Avatar
    SMH.


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    Yeah, right back at ya.
    02-27-2015 02:56 PM
  10. grover5's Avatar
    How can I explain this? Certain laws and rules appear good, er um, fair on the surface, but years later is when we find out that how bad it really is. For example, remember when all of the historical preservation boards started springing up all across the country? Deeming certain areas and properties as needing to be "preserved" for historical purposes sounds great. Yet, many people found out after being cited for code violations that it would be cheaper to tear down and rebuild than to repair, but being that the property was deemed historical, they weren't allowed to tear down and rebuild. Granted, that was a few years ago. Still, my point is this: when government gets involved, we the people lose, and the effects aren't immediately felt.
    That is too absolute a view for my taste. Government does some things better than private industry and the revers is also true. Some regulations are a necessary part of life.
    02-27-2015 02:58 PM
  11. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Bloomberg news is a crook?
    I do listen to Bloomberg.


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    02-27-2015 03:06 PM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    That is too absolute a view for my taste. Government does some things better than private industry and the revers is also true. Some regulations are a necessary part of life.
    Government, in and of itself, is not a problem. The problem arises from our view of government and from the things we expect from government. Instead of viewing it as something that "we" control, we see it as this entity that will save us from anything we see as displeasing. Again, it goes back to taking responsibility for our own actions. Example: We know going in that investing our money in the stock market is a risk, yet, many of us take that risk anyway. However, when things go wrong, and we lose our money and more, we turn to government to find fault in the way our money was invested. I mean, someone had to have cheated me out of my money, right? Well, government will indeed step in and find anything you want them to find, even if they have to make it up. In addition, they'll pass new laws that, in "reality", will give them total control of your money, but "officially", you'll be told that it is to ensure that something like this will have less of a chance happening in the future. Anyway, we are ultimately responsible for the actions of the government. If you want a government to be more involved in personal affairs, that is what you'll get. Personally, i want government to be as our framers created it to be, and nothing more.
    02-27-2015 03:12 PM
  13. kch50428's Avatar
    Personally, i want government to be as our framers created it to be, and nothing more.
    Agreed.
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    02-27-2015 03:14 PM
  14. grover5's Avatar
    These new rules have yet to be published for public consumption by the FCC... what are they waiting for?
    They have to wait until all the appeals have been dealt with before they can release it. Verizon and gang are appealing.
    02-27-2015 03:25 PM
  15. grover5's Avatar
    Government, in and of itself, is not a problem. The problem arises from our view of government and from the things we expect from government. Instead of viewing it as something that "we" control, we see it as this entity that will save us from anything we see as displeasing. Again, it goes back to taking responsibility for our own actions. Example: We know going in that investing our money in the stock market is a risk, yet, many of us take that risk anyway. However, when things go wrong, and we lose our money and more, we turn to government to find fault in the way our money was invested. I mean, someone had to have cheated me out of my money, right? Well, government will indeed step in and find anything you want them to find, even if they have to make it up. In addition, they'll pass new laws that, in "reality", will give them total control of your money, but "officially", you'll be told that it is to ensure that something like this will have less of a chance happening in the future. Anyway, we are ultimately responsible for the actions of the government. If you want a government to be more involved in personal affairs, that is what you'll get. Personally, i want government to be as our framers created it to be, and nothing more.
    I don't think your concerns match up with keeping the internet the way it has always been and not allowing the comcasts of the world alter how quickly we can view the information we want. I don't want them telling me how quickly I can access the sites where I get my information. They have a vested interest in where I get information and what information I get. But we can agree to disagree as well.
    02-27-2015 03:35 PM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I don't think your concerns match up with keeping the internet the way it has always been and not allowing the comcasts of the world alter how quickly we can view the information we want. I don't want them telling me how quickly I can access the sites where I get my information. They have a vested interest in where I get information and what information I get. But we can agree to disagree as well.
    Do you have to pay for internet access in your home? Do you have to pay for internet access via your wireless service? The answer is probably "yes". Those who charge you for access to the internet have a vested interest. We started out with dial-up, then we had DSL, then cable and soon fiber optics. Do the companies who invest their time, money and research to bring us faster speeds not have a right to be compensated? We seem to have lost sight of the difference between a right and a privilege. Having access to the internet is a "privilege" and a bigger privilege for the fastest available. Don't think for one second that the government does not have a "vested" interest in this matter because it does. They will eventually "control" it, and don't be naive to think that that's a good thing. Anyway, I'm not trying to bust your chops or anything, and I truly do appreciate your input.
    02-27-2015 04:29 PM
  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I think the question this whole thing begs is whether a company like Comcast, who corners a market and creates an environment barren of competition, should follow guidelines that protect the consumer given the spectrum of users they service.

    (And we're talking beyond what the FCC already regulates...I'm talking more in line with guidelines and regulated service cost like this net neutrality is working towards)

    And if you say yes...where do you draw the line?
    02-27-2015 04:37 PM
  18. gdruin74's Avatar
    So the same administration that couldn't build a website will be running the Internet. Too much government control.
    02-27-2015 05:46 PM
  19. grover5's Avatar
    So the same administration that couldn't build a website will be running the Internet. Too much government control.
    The government isn't running the internet. They are regulating the companies who sell it to you.
    02-27-2015 06:19 PM
  20. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    So the same administration that couldn't build a website will be running the Internet. Too much government control.
    You're saying that as if the government didn't already have control over the internet, lol!
    02-27-2015 06:24 PM
  21. grover5's Avatar
    Do you have to pay for internet access in your home? Do you have to pay for internet access via your wireless service? The answer is probably "yes". Those who charge you for access to the internet have a vested interest. We started out with dial-up, then we had DSL, then cable and soon fiber optics. Do the companies who invest their time, money and research to bring us faster speeds not have a right to be compensated? We seem to have lost sight of the difference between a right and a privilege. Having access to the internet is a "privilege" and a bigger privilege for the fastest available. Don't think for one second that the government does not have a "vested" interest in this matter because it does. They will eventually "control" it, and don't be naive to think that that's a good thing. Anyway, I'm not trying to bust your chops or anything, and I truly do appreciate your input.
    I don't feel like you're busting chops. We just have completely different opinions on the topic. I can live with that. I don't envision the slippery slope you do. But what I think it boils down to is you trust big business more than I do and I trust the government more than you do. No one is saying the companies don't have a right to profit. That isn't the argument. The argument is do they have the right to even more profit by creating slow lanes for those sites who can't afford to pay extra. The answer by about 75% of the population is no they don't. The internet isn't a privilege and wasn't created by those who profit from it. But it is a service you can pay for and we do.
    02-27-2015 06:26 PM
  22. gdruin74's Avatar
    The government isn't running the internet. They are regulating the companies who sell it to you.
    That's the problem, people actually believe that. This administration is all about control. Obamacare is about control not healthcare. Which by the way if it is so good why have so many opted out? Why are the leaders in Washington not on it? It is all a slow push to socialism. The frog in boiling water experiment. It's happens so slow no one even notices.
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    02-27-2015 06:34 PM
  23. grover5's Avatar
    That's the problem, people actually believe that. This administration is all about control. Obamacare is about control not healthcare. Which by the way if it is so good why have so many opted out? Why are the leaders in Washington not on it? It is all a slow push to socialism. The frog in boiling water experiment. It's happens so slow no one even notices.
    I'm sorry but that is paranoia. The members of the government have government healthcare. Obamacare has provided healthcare for over 10 million people who didn't have it before.
    02-27-2015 06:42 PM
  24. gdruin74's Avatar
    I'm sorry but that is paranoia. The members of the government have government healthcare. Obamacare has provided healthcare for over 10 million people who didn't have it before.
    So Obama is flipping the bill? And the government employee healthcare is not the same. No paranoia here. The more you depend on the administration the better for them.
    02-27-2015 06:46 PM
  25. Premium1's Avatar
    I'm sorry but that is paranoia. The members of the government have government healthcare. Obamacare has provided healthcare for over 10 million people who didn't have it before.
    It's also caused many places to cut or limit how many hours you can work because of the mandate. I know first hand at my one job they cut the hours for part timers. (it's not my main job, but it was my summer fund job and cut down on the hours I could work) It's not all rainbows and butterflies. I think healthcare is something that is needed, but the way the Government implemented it is wrong, and like others have said is all about control. Obama wants nothing more than total control.
    02-27-2015 07:12 PM
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