Well, that's where we differ. Having served in combat, i know just how important good intel is. In order to defeat an enemy, one must think like him, and get down in the mud with him. After the Vietnam War was over, their military leader, Gen. Giap, said that the Viet Cong lost the war in Vietnam, but won the war in America! I see that happening here, and people like you are to blame. You want answers and info from the enemy, but you want to get those answers in a politically correct way. Belt sanders? That's kid stuff. Does the term "by any means necessary" harm your delicate sensibilities? You have no idea what it's like to see friends killed right along side of you, because of political correctness. Draw a mental picture of this(the right way to get intel). Two "VC's " with valuable intel are captured, but won't talk. They're put in a Huey and taken straight up about 1,000 ft. Again they refuse to talk. One gets kicked out, and the other sings like a canary. That's one way, but not the only way to get intel. If that way saves lives, and it did, i have no problem with it. The enemy wouldn't hesitate to do it to us, so why should we be any different? Why should we try to be "good guys" to people who have always hated us, and always will, no matter what we do for them? The lesson of Vietnam was clear. You must fight to win, not contain. In the intelligence community, the end justifies the means. The Prime Minister of Israel will be snubbed by our President, and all his "toadies". What does that say about our country, to the rest of the world. There's an emotional decision if i ever heard one. You've got to wake up and smell the coffee. This isn't a game. Our President said that the Crusades were unjustified, but in reality, the Crusades were in retaliation to Muslim atrocities perpetrated against Christian travelers going to Jerusalem. If not for the Muslim killings, there never would have been the famous Knights Templar. Without purposely offending anyone, i will say this...In the beginning, the Prophet preached love...then he turned to hate. It's the "hate part", that we're dealing with today. THINK ABOUT IT.