1. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Who cares if the Iraqis or whoever fight for themselves? It's no longer about them. It's about us. They will be in our backyards very soon if we don't nip it in the bud. But it won't happen under the non leadership of our current President.


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    02-10-2015 10:34 PM
  2. pappy53's Avatar
    If you think those nuts are going to cross the ocean and attempt to takeover U.S. territory and try to force their religion down out throats, you are just as delusional as they are.

    Have you seen their military training? They learn tumbling and then they punch each other to toughen themselves. Are you impressed? If they ever run into a diversion and a double flank, they're all gone.
    You keep on believing that. You are the delusional one. /smh
    02-10-2015 11:12 PM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The problem will always be, and has always been the fact that when one side hides amongst civilians, brain washes the innocent to build their forces larger, and then when attacked, cowers back into the general populace of an area...there's no way of tactically eradicating them at all without innocent casualties.

    It's a cancer. And you can't attack cancer 9 times out of 10 without destroying the host or parts of the host. Innocent casualty of the fight unfortunately.

    The difference though is that the cancer patient chooses the method of eradicating the cancer with knowledge of what is coming. The way terrorist groups like ISIS work, you simply cannot inform the innocents that will be effected because they A.) Many won't fight for themselves out of fear, and B.) Because they won't fight, they tend to take a passive attitude in terms of these things, being vocally opposed to such actions, but only in the sense that they themselves would "never do such a thing".

    This presents a serious and almost insurmountable problem...people who would be the most useful AGAINST ISIS are either too afraid to combat them in any way and/or hold an attitude about the situation that is simply useless in regards to putting together a legitimate opposition. They simply want to stay out of it in hopes ISIS will leave their family alone so they can just maintain what life they have for themselves.

    And I honestly cannot blame them...what other way COULD they think in this environment? With no real internal leadership, no real "patriotism" (for lack of better term), and a life full of violence and fear from all directions...they are shell shocked and probably just thankful for a bit of peace between storms. It takes A LOT to stand up to such opposition...takes even more for broken people to do it. It'd take a damn god sent miracle to get a group of broken people who watch ISIS just run roughshod over their whole existence day in and day out, who show violent confidence to take on the "world" by killing hostages from all over the world, and come to these people with offers of survival if they either stay quiet or join forces...it's just an impossible situation.

    And because of this...I personally feel that there is no choice but to resort to attacks on ISIS that risk innocent lives. There's really no other way to do it, and there won't EVER be any other way because of the way these terrorists intertwine themselves without groups of innocent people. They do it tactically...and it's a genius move because it ensures their survival for the immediate future.

    What other choice will there EVER be? Our mighty military responds to threats and actions with the equivalent of a BB gun in terms of what it is capable of...yet this target presents one of the most critical and dangerous opponents our country has ever seen. Forget a Pearl Harbor attack, where the Japanese played by certain rules and targeted military units...hell, forget 9/11, where the terrorists chose a large, public, "shock value" target...no, we're going to face sleeper cells EVERY WHERE within our cities, causing wide spread destruction, panic and, their ultimate prize, terror amongst our people.

    And then we faithfully and knowingly give away our own freedoms in the name of "safety" and "security". We watch as people run in and out of the white house like a revolving door, taking a punch at the constitution and then running away with their earned riches never to be seen again. And there's a f*cking LINE of these people waiting to keep battering our freedom so long as there is a threat...an almost invisible threat that could be anywhere like an airborne plague...a threat that sits back and waits until tactics lead them to an event, and they eat away at our countries sanity, safety and ways of life.

    So do I think innocent blood should be spilled in the name of eradicating terrorist groups? Hell no. I don't think a single innocent life should be lost in such a move...but you know what? It's going to happen...and maybe when it does happen, it'll put a charge in those people to actually HELP stop these terrorists because they don't want to get incinerated by another set of US birthed tactical missiles...maybe they'll start a civil uprising against terrorists that prevents us from needing to level these desert towns full of innocent men, women and children...MAYBE...JUST MAYBE...they'll start fighting back against the people who are putting them in the crosshairs in the first f*cking place.

    That's just my thoughts on the subject though.
    02-10-2015 11:22 PM
  4. palandri's Avatar
    ...They will be in our backyards very soon if we don't nip it in the bud. ...
    You keep on believing that. You are the delusional one. /smh
    If that's the case, then you two need to don your three point hats, oil up your flintlock and go stand by the border.
    02-11-2015 12:03 AM
  5. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    If that's the case, then you two need to don your three point hats, oil up your flintlock and go stand by the border.
    Led is 100% wrong...they won't be in our backyards "very soon"...they're already here.
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    02-11-2015 12:09 AM
  6. princessiphone's Avatar
    Led is 100% wrong...they won't be in our backyards "very soon"...they're already here.
    I agree, Sean. Don't get used to it :
    ;-).
    02-11-2015 12:13 AM
  7. palandri's Avatar
    Led is 100% wrong...they won't be in our backyards "very soon"...they're already here.
    Yup, I just heard they took over Austin. All the women are now required to wear a burqa and Rick Perry is in the Governors mansion reciting the Qur'an.
    02-11-2015 12:29 AM
  8. pappy53's Avatar
    Yup, I just heard they took over Austin. All the women are now required to wear a burqa and Rick Perry is in the Governors mansion reciting the Qur'an.
    What's your frame of mind going to be when the s**t hits the fan in this country, and sleeper cells are killing citizens all across this country? Still a pacifistic view?
    02-11-2015 12:39 AM
  9. palandri's Avatar
    What's your frame of mind going to be when the s**t hits the fan in this country, and sleeper cells are killing citizens all across this country? Still a pacifistic view?
    Pacifist? Are you serious? Bite your tongue, I am a veteran.
    02-11-2015 12:56 AM
  10. pappy53's Avatar
    Pacifist? Are you serious? Bite your tongue, I am a veteran.
    Many veterans are pacifists. There is something wrong if you don't think that they will come over here.
    02-11-2015 01:13 AM
  11. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Yup, I just heard they took over Austin. All the women are now required to wear a burqa and Rick Perry is in the Governors mansion reciting the Qur'an.
    I like your humorous enthusiasm...but the truth is, they really are here already, sitting back playing a very slow chess game. it sucks...and they know if they just outright start attacking or blowing sh*t up, Americans will turn on them in a heart beat and will start the kind of revolt middle eastern people are so afraid to do...so they wait, until they can pop up and do something and then run back into a crevasse somewhere until it's time to do it again and hide again.

    It's not paranoia honestly. It's just the logic behind the people within those groups. Why WOULDN'T they be here?
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    02-11-2015 01:13 AM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    Many veterans are pacifists.... .
    Show me some verifiable statistics to back that up.
    02-11-2015 01:28 AM
  13. palandri's Avatar
    I like your humorous enthusiasm...but the truth is, they really are here already, sitting back playing a very slow chess game. it sucks...and they know if they just outright start attacking or blowing sh*t up, Americans will turn on them in a heart beat and will start the kind of revolt middle eastern people are so afraid to do...so they wait, until they can pop up and do something and then run back into a crevasse somewhere until it's time to do it again and hide again.

    It's not paranoia honestly. It's just the logic behind the people within those groups. Why WOULDN'T they be here?
    Sean, like you said, "...and they know if they just outright start attacking or blowing sh*t up, Americans will turn on them in a heart beat..." just like the nut at Fort Hood.
    02-11-2015 01:34 AM
  14. pappy53's Avatar
    Show me some verifiable statistics to back that up.
    Why?
    02-11-2015 01:53 AM
  15. grunt0300's Avatar
    Pacifist? Are you serious? Bite your tongue, I am a veteran.

    Really? A veteran of what?
    02-11-2015 08:06 AM
  16. grunt0300's Avatar
    Sean, like you said, "...and they know if they just outright start attacking or blowing sh*t up, Americans will turn on them in a heart beat..." just like the nut at Fort Hood.

    What you read about in Paris, is already happening here. What is it going to take to wake you up, when ISIS takes over Wrigley Field?
    02-11-2015 08:08 AM
  17. palandri's Avatar
    Why?
    Because you're terribly confused when you say:

    Many veterans are pacifists.....
    Last edited by palandri; 02-11-2015 at 09:53 AM.
    02-11-2015 09:43 AM
  18. palandri's Avatar
    Really? A veteran of what?
    You really want to go there?. Get ready to eat crow.

    My lottery number was 303. Nixon was president. The only job I could find at that time was pumping gas at a Phillips 66 gas station for $1.60 an hour, so I enlisted.

    Since you talk the talk, now you need to walk the walk. I have a few of my pictures posted here, now it's time for you to post a few of yours: Military personnel...grab a can of night vision and line up with your BA eleven-hundred novembers - Windows Central Forums
    Last edited by palandri; 02-11-2015 at 10:20 AM.
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    02-11-2015 09:53 AM
  19. palandri's Avatar
    What you read about in Paris, is already happening here. What is it going to take to wake you up, when ISIS takes over Wrigley Field?
    Stop smoking the green stuff.
    02-11-2015 09:54 AM
  20. grunt0300's Avatar
    The Jordanian pilot-boot-camp-parris-island-1962.jpegThe Jordanian pilot-chu-lai-aug.1965-1.jpeg@palandri...The Marine Corps is a Department of the Navy, the men's dept. Now, you can eat this. I'm in the first row, left. The Drill Instructor at the bottom right was awarded the Medal of Honor, for actions during Operation Meade River in 1968. The picture of me was taken before Operation Starlite, Aug. 1965. We all had our pictures taken because we didn't think we were coming back.
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    02-11-2015 12:01 PM
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    That looks like a M60, is that correct?
    02-11-2015 03:05 PM
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ID:	77242@palandri...The Marine Corps is a Department of the Navy, the men's dept. Now, you can eat this. I'm in the first row, left. The Drill Instructor at the bottom right was awarded the Medal of Honor, for actions during Operation Meade River in 1968. The picture of me was taken before Operation Starlite, Aug. 1965. We all had our pictures taken because we didn't think we were coming back.
    Semper Fi....
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    02-11-2015 03:26 PM
  23. grunt0300's Avatar
    That looks like a M60, is that correct?

    Yes, Sir. 500 rounds per minute.
    02-11-2015 03:37 PM
  24. grunt0300's Avatar
    Semper Fi....


    OORAH!!!
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    02-11-2015 03:38 PM
  25. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    palandri...one thing to consider is the various groups we've had in our country for quite a long time who would DEFINITELY jump right in line with a group like ISIS if the opportunity presented itself. Groups like the Sovereign Citizens...a group that I have personally dealt with when I was a LEO. This group has the numbers right now, they just don't have the means because most of them join the group because of government taxation issues they've experienced over the years (cited from an ICE report from over a decade ago).

    They create their own "official" ID's, which are damn close to government official ID cards when glanced at first, you have to really read the info on the card to see the differences. This one I'm attaching was actually a poorer example of their efforts...I've seen some that look like military ID cards, GSA smart cards, etc...

    The Jordanian pilot-hqdefault.jpg

    ...these people, with the right motivation, would be a very dangerous tool for infiltration, and they're everywhere. We had an IRS building that had these guys visiting WEEKLY wanting to protest...this was at an outpost IRS BRANCH office, not some headquarters...and in Atlanta. One city, one office...a handful of incidents from people who have been known to violently make their voices heard. Imagine if they were backed with ISIS funding, weapons and thoughts.

    This isn't some conspiracy my friend.
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    02-11-2015 03:55 PM
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