1. A895's Avatar
    Conservatism represents the founding principles.
    No it does not. The founding principles were extremely liberal. They reveled against government, protested, rioted, started a war, then later claimed the west, bought land, and limited slavery, and then a Republican then eliminated slavery. Created the Constitution, I mean they did a lot of liberal things.

    If that is conservatism in your opinion, then liberals are the real conservatives, and the now current conservatives are fakes. Anyways conservatism isn't an old idea, it is a new one. Republicans have no real identity but are trying to hold onto ideas that don't hold water in 2015.

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    More Americans say ObamaCare is hurting their families

    "It's no wonder why Americans have such a negative view of ObamaCare. They know it's not working. They see through unicorns and fairy dust on which this law was sold."

    Other side of the argument. I'm fair and balanced like that. > Why Do Americans Still Hate Obamacare?
    Consertive talk radio has lied to you.

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    01-08-2015 05:24 PM
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    No it does not. The founding principles were extremely liberal. They reveled against government, protested, rioted, started a war, then later claimed the west, bought land, and limited slavery, and then a Republican then eliminated slavery. Created the Constitution, I mean they did a lot of liberal things.

    If that is conservatism in your opinion, then liberals are the real conservatives, and the now current conservatives are fakes. Anyways conservatism isn't an old idea, it is a new one. Republicans have no real identity but are trying to hold onto ideas that don't hold water in 2015.

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    Progressives/Liberals/Independents/Democrats detest the bedrock principles of American government.They detest the Declaration of Independence, which enshrines the protection of individual natural rights, and they detest the Constitution.
    01-08-2015 05:52 PM
  4. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Consertive talk radio has lied to you.

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    01-08-2015 06:00 PM
  5. kch50428's Avatar
    Consertive talk radio has lied to you.
    MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc. and Comedy Central lies to you..
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    01-08-2015 06:12 PM
  6. A895's Avatar
    Progressives/Liberals/Independents/Democrats detest the bedrock principles of American government.They detest the Declaration of Independence, which enshrines the protection of individual natural rights, and they detest the Constitution.
    No they do not.

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    01-08-2015 06:58 PM
  7. franknasty's Avatar
    MSNBC is trustworthy I love sharptons and Rachel maddow

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    01-08-2015 07:01 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc. and Comedy Central lies to you..
    Comedy Central is is just that, a channel for yucks. The fact that Colbert Report and The Daily Show happen to report balanced politics (they have openly criticized both sides of the aisle) with jokes is just icing on the cake. Fact of the matter is all main stream media is tainted and you should take all of then with a grain of salt.

    I just read my news online from various sources and then make up my own mind. That is the best way.

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    01-08-2015 07:01 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    MSNBC is trustworthy I love sharptons and Rachel maddow

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    MSNBC is loads better than Fox News, that's for sure. They don't openly push the rich right mans agenda.

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    01-08-2015 07:02 PM
  10. hydrogen3's Avatar
    No they do not.

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    Liberal Democrats have been co-opted into the Progressive Movement thinking it is just a "cool" name. Who doesn't want to be "Progressive"? It started 1880's with a goal to downplay our Founder's limited government with individual responsibility and progress to a state controlled society. The underlying theory is that the community has absolute right and determines its own destiny and that of its members. Thus, it trumps individual right and rights to individual property. Eventually, it progresses to a World Governing Body.
    01-08-2015 07:09 PM
  11. pappy53's Avatar
    MSNBC is loads better than Fox News, that's for sure. They don't openly push the rich right mans agenda.

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    No, they openly and blatantly push the WH agenda, even if it means editing video clips and inserting whatever they need into those videos. At least Fox has debate from both sides, which is something that MSNBC never does.


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    01-08-2015 07:40 PM
  12. pappy53's Avatar
    MSNBC is trustworthy I love sharptons and Rachel maddow

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    Troll.


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    01-08-2015 07:41 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    No, they openly and blatantly push the WH agenda, even if it means editing video clips and inserting whatever they need into those videos. At least Fox has debate from both sides, which is something that MSNBC never does.


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    Fox rarely allows both sides. I never said MSNBC was good, I just said they are a step above Fox News.

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    01-08-2015 10:22 PM
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    Fox rarely allows both sides. I never said MSNBC was good, I just said they are a step above Fox News.

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    Fox rarely DOESN'T allow both sides. That just shows that you haven't watched it to know that, and are just spouting something that you read. As far as MSNBC, their ratings are in the tank, as no one watches it.

    Refer to post #14.


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    01-08-2015 11:14 PM
  15. hydrogen3's Avatar
    As far as MSNBC, their ratings are in the tank, as no one watches it.




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    MSNBC? I thought it was MSLSD! Chuckles.
    01-09-2015 08:24 AM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Fox rarely allows both sides. I never said MSNBC was good, I just said they are a step above Fox News.

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    You know, I applaud you for being in college to advance your education, and I appreciate your interest in politics. Having said that, education and interest do not equate to wisdom and to being right. You lack life experiences to understand and/or accept many of the truths you are vigorously opposing. Many of us are already college educated. We've already had long and successful careers. We've already grown from being boys to men. We've already gone through the stage of thinking we knew it all just to learn later on how stupid we really were. I'm not saying these things to be mean or degrading, and I hope you don't take it that way, but I am trying to share just a bit of wisdom and offer a little bit of advice. If you only seek answers from places or sources you're comfortable with, how will you ever understand the viewpoint of those who are outside your comfort zone? Just a little food for thought. Enjoy your day.
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    01-09-2015 08:41 AM
  17. A895's Avatar
    Fox rarely DOESN'T allow both sides. That just shows that you haven't watched it to know that, and are just spouting something that you read. As far as MSNBC, their ratings are in the tank, as no one watches it.

    Refer to post #14.


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    I have actually watched Fox News. They rarely allow both sides and spin things.

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    01-09-2015 09:41 AM
  18. A895's Avatar
    You know, I applaud you for being in college to advance your education, and I appreciate your interest in politics. Having said that, education and interest do not equate to wisdom and to being right. You lack life experiences to understand and/or accept many of the truths you are vigorously opposing. Many of us are already college educated. We've already had long and successful careers. We've already grown from being boys to men. We've already gone through the stage of thinking we knew it all just to learn later on how stupid we really were. I'm not saying these things to be mean or degrading, and I hope you don't take it that way, but I am trying to share just a bit of wisdom and offer a little bit of advice. If you only seek answers from places or sources you're comfortable with, how will you ever understand the viewpoint of those who are outside your comfort zone? Just a little food for thought. Enjoy your day.
    Who says I only watch one source? This entire paragraph is based on the assumption that I do not allow other viewpoints. I do, otherwise I wouldn't spend time even on such a conservative political section like iMores. I am more than willing to hear more than one side. But if someone can point out why my opinion is worthless besides (AGAIN) referring to my age, I am more than willing to take a read. Otherwise no ones opinion here is worth more than my own, point blank.

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    01-09-2015 09:44 AM
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    Who says I only watch one source? This entire paragraph is based on the assumption that I do not allow other viewpoints. I do, otherwise I wouldn't spend time even on such a conservative political section like iMores. I am more than willing to hear more than one side. But if someone can point out why my opinion is worthless besides (AGAIN) referring to my age, I am more than willing to take a read. Otherwise no ones opinion here is worth more than my own, point blank.

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    Nowhere in my comments did I say that your views are pointless. I was actually trying to share some wisdom with you, but apparently you are too closed minded or are so bent on holding on to your views/stance that you've missed out on an opportunity to learn something that will help you later in life. Having said that, be well, and my apologies if you were offended.
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  20. A895's Avatar
    Nowhere in my comments did I say that your views are pointless. I was actually trying to share some wisdom with you, but apparently you are too closed minded or are so bent on holding on to your views/stance that you've missed out on an opportunity to learn something that will help you later in life. Having said that, be well, and my apologies if you were offended.
    Unfortunately I was offended, but I doubt it matters whether I was or was not. And unfortunately all I got from that post is that because of my age I lack life experiences and don't have any insight into the topics we discuss.

    If I had not mentioned my age would everyone not talk down to me as much as they do now? Because everything was going fine, then when I mentioned I go to college, I get insulted because of my youth, even though before no one was none the wiser before and had no issues with people saying I am some dumb kid.

    Also unfortunately, you haven't said anything I haven't heard a ton before. But to assume I don't know any truths to real life just because of my age is just wrong. But, as always someone will disregard what I say and say something else.

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    01-09-2015 10:59 AM
  21. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Unfortunately I was offended, but I doubt it matters whether I was or was not. And unfortunately all I got from that post is that because of my age I lack life experiences and don't have any insight into the topics we discuss.

    If I had not mentioned my age would everyone not talk down to me as much as they do now? Because everything was going fine, then when I mentioned I go to college, I get insulted because of my youth, even though before no one was none the wiser before and had no issues with people saying I am some dumb kid.

    Also unfortunately, you haven't said anything I haven't heard a ton before. But to assume I don't know any truths to real life just because of my age is just wrong. But, as always someone will disregard what I say and say something else.

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    As a young man, I used to get irritated when older people referred to me as a kid. In my mind, I was "grown" and was able to think for myself, do my own things and I had the same freedoms they enjoyed. Yet, because I was trying so hard to prove my adulthood and to prove that my young age didn't matter, I failed to grasp (at the time) the most basic principle of adulthood, and that's when to accept advice, wisdom, and rebukes from the very people I was trying to prove wrong. Once I learned how to do that, I discovered that those people were not trying to harm me or demean me. Their wisdom allowed them to see much more than my youth allowed me to see. I learned that, on many occasions, it wasn't that I was wrong -- I was merely lacking in detail. Anyway, I've got things to do outside of iMore. Again, my apologies for offending you. Take care.
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    01-09-2015 11:14 AM
  22. hydrogen3's Avatar
    A895,

    Another source of wisdom > Mark Levin, Click on Listen Live..
    01-09-2015 11:22 AM
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    Unfortunately I was offended, but I doubt it matters whether I was or was not. And unfortunately all I got from that post is that because of my age I lack life experiences and don't have any insight into the topics we discuss.

    If I had not mentioned my age would everyone not talk down to me as much as they do now? Because everything was going fine, then when I mentioned I go to college, I get insulted because of my youth, even though before no one was none the wiser before and had no issues with people saying I am some dumb kid.

    Also unfortunately, you haven't said anything I haven't heard a ton before. But to assume I don't know any truths to real life just because of my age is just wrong. But, as always someone will disregard what I say and say something else.

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    Getting offended while discussing politics? LOL What planet are you from? Just proves their point that you need to grow up. This world isn't a warm and welcoming place. Fyi.
    I'm younger than you. It's a given fact that age will be a factor of ridicule, especially when discussing a grown up topic like politics. One thing I realize that you don't seem to is that I don't know everything, especially about politics. And I acknowledge that the older men in this thread are far more qualified to discuss this because they have had real life experience. While you and me may have SOME real life experience that influences our political views, we don't have any compared to older people that have had successful careers & lives.

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  24. pappy53's Avatar
    I have actually watched Fox News. They rarely allow both sides and spin things.

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    They will have a person from the right and the left on 99% of their discussions, unlike MSNBC which only has a liberal view.
    01-09-2015 01:39 PM
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    No, they openly and blatantly push the WH agenda, even if it means editing video clips and inserting whatever they need into those videos. At least Fox has debate from both sides, which is something that MSNBC never does.


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    Thats not true in any way. What you think the WH agenda is - isn't factual. And there is no single democrat point of view. They play politics within their own party right now just as much as republicans have at other times in the past. Your views posted here are often rhetoric and no substance.




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