1. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Oh look click and clack. The clown brothers.


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    12-23-2014 04:52 PM
  2. Les74's Avatar
    You do know the work required for a national website getting pounded by millions of people will be glitchy right? They couldn't anticipate correctly how much work it would take and that did in fact hurt them. But now the website works fine.
    Guess it was Obama and his administration's fault when the Apple site crashed because so many people were on it? Thanks Obama!!!!!
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    12-23-2014 04:55 PM
  3. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Oh look. The whole gangs here now. Click, clack and bozo. Hard time keeping up with who's who.

    Chuckles


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    12-23-2014 04:56 PM
  4. Les74's Avatar
    Oh look. The whole gangs here now. Click, clack and bozo. Hard time keeping up with who's who.

    Chuckles


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    Oh, I'm sorry. I thought everyone was free to post here, Hitler. My bad.
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    12-23-2014 05:01 PM
  5. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Oh, I'm sorry. I thought everyone was free to post here, Hitler. My bad.
    Did you not see me on fox and friends waving the banner of conservatism?


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    12-23-2014 05:03 PM
  6. Les74's Avatar
    That's what the Democratic party teaches you.


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    The Democratic Party teaches me that it's ok to post here or that your posts are infantile babble?
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    12-23-2014 05:06 PM
  7. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Ok see my edit. Your post are boooooogus. Your blind loyalty is amazing.


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    12-23-2014 05:07 PM
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    12-23-2014 05:11 PM
  9. Les74's Avatar
    Ok see my edit. Your post are boooooogus. Your blind loyalty is amazing.


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    My posts are bogus.....and you just edited your post. Hypocrisy at its finest!
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    12-23-2014 05:11 PM
  10. hydrogen3's Avatar
    My posts are bogus.....and you just edited your post. Hypocrisy at its finest!
    Right as rain.


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    12-23-2014 05:12 PM
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    Did you not see me on fox and friends waving the banner of conservatism?


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    I thought I saw you crip walking and flashing gang signs

    12-23-2014 05:12 PM
  12. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I thought I saw you crip walking and flashing gang signs

    Lol, I'm much more refined. But thanks for thinking of me.

    What communist country are you in today?

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    12-23-2014 05:13 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    Chuckles. Booooogus. And more chuckles.
    If you have a better argument, I am willing to hear it.
    12-23-2014 05:19 PM
  14. hydrogen3's Avatar
    The argument has been made in the other two threads. Remember


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    12-23-2014 05:20 PM
  15. A895's Avatar
    The argument has been made in the other two threads. Remember


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    In regards to the ACA website?
    12-23-2014 05:22 PM
  16. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Another one of this President's failures.


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  17. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Obama as a failure. Taken from the Internet somewhere. I'll look for the source.

    1. He didnt heal our racial divisions.

    The first thing people expected of Obama, the whole reason his presidency was already hailed as historic on Inauguration Day 2009, before he had taken a single official act, is because voters thought that the first black president would help America put the ugly history of racially divisive politics behind us.

    But from his earliest stumbling effortsanyone remember the Beer Summit"?Obama has proven alternately uninterested and ham-handed in dealing with this signature issue. What he has mostly contributed has been to rush in and pre-judge racially charged cases, like the shooting of Trayvon Martin or the questionable police shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, before the defendants get their day in court. When you pre-judge someone on the basis of race, isnt there a word for that?

    So as the recent race riots in Ferguson confirm, Obama has not served as some kind of magical bridge who would promote mutual understanding between whites and blacks. Instead, he has done more to inflame the tensions in these cases than to defuse them.

    Our expectations of Obama were overblown from the beginning, but he worked pretty hard to overblow them. Certainly, when voters chose him, they were hoping for the opposite of an unscrupulous race-hustler like Al Sharpton. There was even a joke about Obama sending Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on missions to non-existent countries just to get them as far away from his campaign as possible. Now, Sharpton is being described as Obamas go-to man on race, with a White House source gushing to The Politico that Theres a trust factor with The Rev from the Oval Office on down.

    For those of us who remember Obamas previous go-to man on that subjectthe Reverend Jeremiah Wright --its not surprising. But its not what most people thought they were voting for.

    2. The stimulus didnt stimulate.

    President Obama was elected in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, and his first big act in office was to sign a gargantuan package of stimulus spendingfinanced entirely with debtthat was supposed to jump-start the economy. Congress voted for hundreds of billion of dollars for shovel-ready projects which Obama later discovered don't exist and the money disappeared without a trace.

    How many recovery summers" have there been in which growth and employment was finally supposed to take offonly to peter out again? (Hint: the first one was in 2010.)

    In how many other recoveries has labor force participationthe percentage of people actually workingdeclined? In what other recovery have poor people emerged deeper in debt than they were at the beginning?

    Yes, the economy was in crisis when President Obama took office. But he has presided over the slowest, weakest economic recovery since the Great Depressionand by a good margin.

    3. Financial reform didnt reform.

    But surely, Obama saw to it that we would never repeat the problems that led to the financial crisis and the recession in the first place, right? Except that the Dodd-Frank financial reforms didnt really reform anything. They created a couple thousand pages of new legislation and many, many more new executive-branch regulations, which have helped to muddle the rules rather than clarify them. But these regulations have never really resolved any of the pre-crisis problems.

    The old system in which a handful of giant financial institutions were considered too big to fail and thus could depend on the rest of us to bail them out? That system is alive and well.

    4. ObamaCare is a boondoggle.

    The disastrous launch of ObamaCare was a reminder of everything thats wrong with big government. It turns out that when we warned health insurance would be run as well as the Department of Motor Vehicles, we were too optimistic. And no one was ever held accountable for that fiasco.

    When ObamaCare was passed, we were assured that it would provide insurance for 32 million people who didnt have any coverage. Four years later, it looks like ObamaCare has covered far fewer new people, between 10% and 20% of what was promised, and about half of those were through an expansion of Medicaida burden that will eventually bankrupt the statesrather than through ObamaCares insurance exchanges.

    Most of the people buying insurance through the exchanges are those who were kicked out of their previous health insurance plans by new regulations. It turns out that if we liked our health insurance, we couldnt keep it. For some of us, this will be bad For others, its much worse.

    Youre still going to hear a lot of commentators on the left arguing that the law is a great successif you agree to move the goalposts and ignore all the broken promises. But the American people aren't buying it.

    5. Obama failed to reform immigration.

    He spent all of his political capital, and then some, on the failed stimulus and the ObamaCare boondoggle, leaving nothing for immigration reform. Having failed to get anything through Congress, he floated a dubious plan to enact amnesty through a unilateral executive authority that he doesn't have. Then he dropped the idea.

    Instead, he has simply failed to enforce the immigration laws, contributing to a crisis on our southern border.

    The result: he has managed to enrage the right, the left, and the middle. He hasnt cracked down on illegal immigration, he hasnt legalized it, and he hasnt forged any kind of compromise or consensus on the issue. Nobody is happy and nothing has been accomplished.

    6. He withdrew prematurely from Iraq.

    Obama was so eager to not be George W. Bush that he pulled all of our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible, then totally ignored the country, even as a terrorist threat re-established itself there. For most of this year, he foolishly downplayed the rise of the Islamic State. Even as Kurds and the Iraqi government issued increasingly panicked warnings, and the Islamic State took over more and more territory, he let the problem get worse for months without bothering to interrupt his golf schedule.

    Bush went into Iraq with multiple UN resolutions, congressional approval, a broad coalition of the willing, and (as it turned out) the resolve to use whatever means were necessary to prevent a terrorist state from establishing itself there. Obama is going back into Iraq with none of that. So I guess he really isnt anything like George W. Bush.

    Who could have guessed that he would be the one to suffer by that comparison?

    7. He blew the Arab Spring.

    When a series of uprisings overthrew dictators across the Middle East, Obama failed to adopt any meaningful policy or to turn the situation to our advantage. He dithered for so long on Egypt that all of the factions there hate him, and most of Egypts liberals concluded that he was secretly backing the Muslim Brotherhood. The result is that Egypt went right back to where it was before, except this time the military dictatorship regards America as a useless and irrelevant ally.

    Meanwhile, the two places where we could have taken advantage of the Arab Spring to get rid of truly nasty dictators who have been hostile to our interests for decadesLibya and Syriaended in disaster. In Libya, the killing of our ambassador in Benghazi was just the beginning of a slow collapse into chaos and civil war. In Syria, three years of administration dithering allowed the rise of ISIS, which then spilled over into Iraq.

    And lets not forget about 2009, when Iranians poured out onto the street to oppose their own brutal, theocratic, terror-sponsoring regimeand Obama sat back passively because he preferred to cut a diplomatic deal with the ayatollahs.

    8. Obama ignored the threat of a resurgent Russian dictatorship.

    During a debate with Mitt Romney in 2012, Obama dismissed Romneys suggestion that Russia might be a threat to American interests, sneering, The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Now its looking more like the 1970s are calling, with an aggressive Russian dictatorship invading its neighbors, leaving our European allies feeling exposed and unsure whether they can really count on support from the US and NATO. Polands foreign minister has been overheard complaining abouthow shall I put this politely?his countrys unrequited love for America.

    The presidents response to Russian aggression has been to impose a few more sanctions, make a speech in Estonia, and otherwise ignore the crisis and hope it goes away.

    9. He didnt shut down Guantanamo, keep the NSA from spying, or rein in the drones.

    I know people who sincerely believe that all of these are good policies and who will defend them vigorously if asked. Barack Obama is not one of those people. Yet all of these policies have been pursued during his presidency, on his authority.

    President Obama came into office having loudly condemned many of the Bush administrations measures against terrorism. Then he continued them. You can call this hypocrisy or you can call it subversion. But President Obama has achieved a unique combination: managing to morally discredit Americas anti-terrorism policies without actually ending them.

    10. He has made America irrelevant.

    You will notice that most of Obamas failures result, not from taking a bold stand, but from taking no stand and just letting events drift. Certainly, in a lot of these cases, Obama has given speeches or press conference to announce his enlightened intentionsthen done nothing to plan for how to actually achieve his goals.

    But if he is irrelevant, that makes America irrelevant. We can look at the Arab Spring, at Ukraine, and at Iraq, but lets add one more example. For most of his presidency, Obama has declared his intention to pivot to Asia, extricating himself from the Middle East and focusing on bolstering our Pacific allies to peacefully manage the rise of China. Its pretty widely acknowledged that he never managed to do it, letting the Asia pivot die of neglect.

    This may fit with the quasi-isolationist mood that has taken hold in America in recent years, but it is yet another case where Obama promised something very different. He campaigned on the promise that America would be more respected in the world after the Bush yearsnot that we would be considered a useless ally and an ineffectual opponent.

    I dont know if you could come up with a more comprehensive list of presidential failures, encompassing foreign policy and domestic policy, economics, race, and immigration. And Im sure I left a lot of things off this list, not least of which is the targeting of Obamas political opponents by a corrupt IRS, which continues to announce the oh-so-mysterious loss of potentially incriminating data by its employees.

    Combine all of this with his frequent vacations and golf outings and his fascination with the trappings of pop-culture celebrity, and you get the impression that Obama has checked out of the presidency and lost interest in the responsibility he is neither willing nor able to shoulder.

    Obama was originally elected on the basis of celebrity, on vague slogans about hope and change, on a sense of self-congratulatory smugness about how progressive and enlightened we would all be if we voted for him. He was re-elected on all of that, plus the smearing of his political opposition as racists and mean rich white guys.

    If the result is an utter failure of leadership, maybe there are a few lessons we ought to learn for the next presidential election.












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  18. Scatabrain's Avatar
    He is neither a failure or exceptional. You are all kidding yourselves if you're in either extreme camp. Here is an editorial on the topic.

    Lame duck label doesn't fit Obama
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/23/opinio...uck/index.html


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  19. hydrogen3's Avatar
    He is neither a failure or exceptional. You are all kidding yourselves if you're in either extreme camp. Here is an editorial on the topic.

    Lame duck label doesn't fit Obama
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/23/opinio...uck/index.html


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    His unconstitutional grab for power shows us his failing administration.
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    12-23-2014 07:19 PM
  20. Scatabrain's Avatar
    His unconstitutional grab for power shows us his failing administration.
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    The action was meaningless. Except that now GOP will have to deal with it. They would prefer to not act if they can get away with it. Now they will probably do something.

    That was they whole point of the president taking the initiative on the issue. Too bad both sides have to resort to politics over policy. Thats why they all stink.




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    In case this thread gets off topic and closed before I get to say it: have a Merry Christmas all.


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    12-23-2014 07:44 PM
  22. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Merry Christmas to you.
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    12-23-2014 07:45 PM
  23. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    In case this thread gets off topic and closed before I get to say it: have a Merry Christmas all.


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    Obama will go down as an exceptional president part 2!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1419383707.627148.jpg

    And also to each and every one of you!


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    Merry Christmas to everyone! Remember, Jesus is the reason for the season.


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    Merry Christmas to everyone! Remember, Jesus is the reason for the season.

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    Actually, WE are the reason for the season. Without fallen man, there would be no need for Jesus to come. But I understand your post, and appreciate it!

    Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year to all!
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