1. acadia11's Avatar
    Again, this smacks of politics. There is evidence and proof that mild torture (waterboarding) actually did aid in the eventual locating and killing of Bin Laden. The democratic report is a farce and politically motivated. Torture does work. That said, we're not talking cutting fingers off or cigarette burns.


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    Can you point to this evidence? Also, what is mild water boarding???

    I fine this humorous because who is politically gaining by this report being released? Certainly not the WH who had been accused of not being transparent on the issue and continueing the policies, so, what democratic gain is there? I personally am not for or against I'm just pointing out that evidence shows torture is not useful it getting accurate information.
    12-11-2014 09:14 AM
  2. palandri's Avatar
    ..Torture does work. That said, we're not talking cutting fingers off or cigarette burns.


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    No cutting off of fingers or cigarette burns that we know of, rather death from hypothermia.
    12-11-2014 09:15 AM
  3. palandri's Avatar
    So you don't value your family's lives that much? Unbelievable.
    I justify protecting American lives.


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    Of course I value my family's lives.

    Let's face it, my idea of what is morally right and your idea of what is morally right are the antithesis of each other.

    Now if you think I am sympathetic to the jihadists cutting heads off, I am not. All they are doing is twisting Islam around to justify their brutality, just like others have twisted their religion around to justify their brutality throughout history.
    12-11-2014 09:27 AM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    It's one thing to inadvertently kill civilians, it's another thing to purposely torture them. The analogy is not congruent.
    It is still hypocritical. This report is nothing but politics at work.


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    12-11-2014 09:32 AM
  5. pappy53's Avatar
    Of course I value my family's lives.
    But you wouldn't save them with enhanced interrogation, if it was the only way? I am just trying to understand your thinking.
    12-11-2014 09:45 AM
  6. acadia11's Avatar
    It is still hypocritical. This report is nothing but politics at work.


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    Politics for who's gain??? Please break down your conspiracy
    12-11-2014 09:47 AM
  7. pappy53's Avatar
    Politics for who's gain??? Please break down your conspiracy
    This was done during a Republican administration, so the Dems are using it to throw them in a bad light. They are desperate for anything before the Republicans take control of the Senate.
    I do find it strange that Dianne Feinstein approved of the interrogations when they were going on.
    12-11-2014 09:53 AM
  8. acadia11's Avatar
    This was done during a Republican administration, so the Dems are using it to throw them in a bad light. They are desperate for anything before the Republicans take control of the Senate.
    I do find it strange that Dianne Feinstein approved of the interrogations when they were going on.
    I guess you haven't heard the lambasting Obama had gotten for supposedly covering up th report for 6 years, and continuing many of the same practices, and the request for him to purge the CIA for his administration especially Brennan. I think like most of the topics you claim to have a pulse on have done very little reading on the subject.
    12-11-2014 10:01 AM
  9. pappy53's Avatar
    I guess you haven't heard the lambasting Obama had gotten for supposedly covering up th report for 6 years, and continuing many of the same practices, and the request for him to purge the CIA for his administration especially Brennan. I think like most of the topics you claim to have a pulse on have done very little reading on the subject.
    Obama banned those practices when he took office.
    12-11-2014 10:32 AM
  10. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Obama banned those practices when he took office.
    Why do you bother with this troll? Ignore her and she will go away..
    12-11-2014 10:42 AM
  11. acadia11's Avatar
    Obama banned those practices when he took office.
    Read the story
    12-11-2014 10:47 AM
  12. HankAZ's Avatar
    It's one thing to inadvertently kill civilians, it's another thing to purposely torture them. The analogy is not congruent.
    Inadvertently? Are you kidding me? You launch missiles and drones to wipe out areas of a city/country and call the death of civilians inadvertent? Sounds like leftist spin propaganda to me. SMH.

    I’m done with these political threads. It’s like debating a brick wall.
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    12-11-2014 11:10 AM
  13. acadia11's Avatar
    Inadvertently? Are you kidding me? You launch missiles and drones to wipe out areas of a city/country and call the death of civilians inadvertent? Sounds like leftist spin propaganda to me. SMH.

    Im done with these political threads. Its like debating a brick wall.
    Are they targeting the civilians, then its inadvertent, meaning they would try to avoid killing citizens. If I walk up to a prisoner and punch him in the face , I clearly do it on purpose one action is a result of a direct action the other a by product of an indirect action, I'll let you look up the definition of inadvertent.
    12-11-2014 12:49 PM
  14. HankAZ's Avatar
    Are they targeting the civilians, then its inadvertent, meaning they would try to avoid killing citizens. If I walk up to a prisoner and punch him in the face , I clearly do it on purpose one action is a result of a direct action the other a by product of an indirect action, I'll let you look up the definition of inadvertent.
    It’s NOT inadvertent when it’s a known factor to any widespread bombing or drone attack. Inadvertent means that you could not anticipate the loss/casualty as an outcome of the action. There is NO DOUBT that bombing in this way will have civilian casualties. Period. It is NOT inadvertent.

    And, as previously stated, I’m out of this thread. I have stated my position, so I am done.
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    12-11-2014 01:00 PM
  15. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.
    What you don't understand is aggression breeds aggression. If I come on to you aggressively, what am I going to get? I am going to get an aggressive response. What does that solve?
    If you think that's morally right, then you go ahead and do that. If you could pop back in here and give us your cell number at Leavenworth, I'll write to you.
    12-11-2014 01:10 PM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    Actually I think more like these guys
    Attached Thumbnails Thoughts on Senate CIA report-theseguys.jpg  
    12-11-2014 03:01 PM
  17. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Actually I think more like these guys
    I doubt that very seriously...

    That was a good chuckle


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    12-11-2014 03:02 PM
  18. palandri's Avatar
    Off Topic: If anyone has a problem with a gnat buzzing around their ear and driving you crazy, I discovered a solution over at the iMore sister site Android Central : Election Results 2014 - Page 5 - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com
    12-11-2014 03:15 PM
  19. acadia11's Avatar
    Its NOT inadvertent when its a known factor to any widespread bombing or drone attack. Inadvertent means that you could not anticipate the loss/casualty as an outcome of the action. There is NO DOUBT that bombing in this way will have civilian casualties. Period. It is NOT inadvertent.

    And, as previously stated, Im out of this thread. I have stated my position, so I am done.
    1 :not focusing the mind on a matter :inattentive
    2 :unintentional <an inadvertent omission>
    12-11-2014 03:27 PM
  20. calebt's Avatar
    This Democratic-led committee is a disgrace they should all be shot as traitors. Sounds like there working for the Terrorist.
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    12-11-2014 04:35 PM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Does the FBI, ATF, Secret Service, or your local Police do what the CIA did to get information? There's a 101 other ways to get the information you need.
    That wasn't my question...I asked you what you felt the most efficient method would be? Saying there are 101 ways to get info is kind of silly. And yes, the FBI, ATF, Secret Service and Police at times use tactics that many people would be opposed to given their nature.
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    12-11-2014 04:41 PM
  22. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    And yes, the FBI, ATF, Secret Service and Police at times use tactics that many people would be opposed to given their nature.
    Which I have no problem with. If we gotta get a little off the reservation to get something, then by all means do it.

    He's not going to answer the question because there is no good answer he can give.
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    12-11-2014 04:56 PM
  23. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    And by the way, I have no morality issues with water boarding people who have even the slightest ties to a terrorist organization. Go cry for them someplace else.
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    12-11-2014 04:59 PM
  24. palandri's Avatar
    That wasn't my question...I asked you what you felt the most efficient method would be? Saying there are 101 ways to get info is kind of silly. And yes, the FBI, ATF, Secret Service and Police at times use tactics that many people would be opposed to given their nature.
    Look, if you want to go torture people or spout off how great it is in getting information, you go ahead and do that. I know it's morally wrong and so does the majority of the civilized world. You think it's morally right.

    You are incorrect, there are 101 other ways to get information you need. Seriously, you don't need to beat on people or torture people rectally to get the information you need. It only takes a little creativity. Didn't the report say we spent $80 million on two psychologist to evaluate the EIT's, Do you know how many people you could get to talk from the middle east with $80 million and a new identity? Do you know who Morten Storm is? or what he did?

    ....You know what? I am wasting my time talking to you because your mind is made up. Good luck to you.
    12-11-2014 05:50 PM
  25. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Look, if you want to go torture people or spout off how great it is in getting information, you go ahead and do that. I know it's morally wrong and so does the majority of the civilized world. You think it's morally right.

    You are incorrect, there are 101 other ways to get information you need. Seriously, you don't need to beat on people or torture people rectally to get the information you need. It only takes a little creativity. Didn't the report say we spent $80 million on two psychologist to evaluate the EIT's, Do you know how many people you could get to talk from the middle east with $80 million and a new identity? Do you know who Morten Storm is? or what he did?

    ....You know what? I am wasting my time talking to you because your mind is made up. Good luck to you.
    Can you even comprehend what a terrorist is?
    12-11-2014 06:05 PM
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