1. HankAZ's Avatar
    Senate Democrats released the report and it's a Propaganda Bonanza.. It's political discourse and hatred. Dianne Feinstein is throwing in with the enemy.

    The real question. Who benefits from the release of this report? The techniques described were mostly terminated by the Bush administration in 2007, so the situations detailed are at least 7 years old, if not older. Are they going to press charges? If not, then what is the purpose of releasing this information? To whose benefit? The Democrats that's who!
    Who knows what will actually happen. But the United Nations is saying that those responsible need to be held accountable. And both Russia and North Korea are pointing their bony little fingers at us and crying about "human rights violations". Classic "pot, meet kettle" scenario.

    Obama is saying the report should have been released. Must be getting close to time for another whirlwind Obama Apology Tour. Gotta be some big old fat sheik somewhere who needs his butt kissed again.
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    12-10-2014 05:28 PM
  2. boovish's Avatar
    Well, seeing as these were "Top" terrorists, I think they just deserved it for trying to ruin people's lives just because they aren't devout muslims.
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    12-10-2014 10:04 PM
  3. jclisenby's Avatar
    Whatever it takes. They want to take out every American life they can. Do what we need to and put them out to pasture when we have bled them dry.
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    12-10-2014 10:12 PM
  4. HAWK's Avatar
    I think the timing and release of the documents is awfully convenient for political motivation myself...

    http://vid.marketmenot.com/lipton-te...of-animals.jpg

    ...I also think that interrogation tactics are things that society in general was never meant to be privy to, and that there are lots of things our government does, moral or not, that need to be done but also need to be kept in secrecy...unfortunately we live in an age of translucency, and people are going to start seeing how this country has acted almost since it's inception. How the freedoms we enjoy come at a cost that a lot of people may not be ok with.

    Ignorance is bliss.
    I agree with this 100%.


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    12-10-2014 10:43 PM
  5. acadia11's Avatar
    Whatever it takes. They want to take out every American life they can. Do what we need to and put them out to pasture when we have bled them dry.
    I think again the question isn't whether we should do whatever we need to, the question was is torture effective in getting information. The problem is someone being tortured is trying to figure out what you want to hear in order to give you that information as opposed to telling you the truth. It has been shown that torture is not effective to getting quality information that's the issue. That's what the report was trying to show that no credible info actually came from the torture.
    12-10-2014 10:53 PM
  6. acadia11's Avatar
    According to what report? The Senate report did not even interview any CIA people, so how would they know that it doesn't work. The Intel that we got came from somewhere.


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    So now the senate is lying? The debate has access to the intelligence reports and where the information came from. They don't need to interview the CIA operatives
    12-10-2014 10:55 PM
  7. acadia11's Avatar
    It is a very slippery slope, but ya gotta start somewhere to get where you're headed. Like hank said, Obama is bombing Syria killing innocent ppl to stop ISIS. Why not go in & capture a few em & torture them ? My whole outlook is an eye for an eye. You kill one of ours, we kill several of yours. I don't condone the killing of the innocent Syrian ppl though. We did it in Iraq, Afghanistan, & Pakistan. So, why not go in Syria & take em into custody & get the Intel. We're already basically at war or in a better term still at war with terrorism.
    Why use a tactic that's already proven useless in gathering information???
    12-10-2014 10:56 PM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    That's what the report was trying to show that no credible info actually came from the torture.
    You're only offering part of the story here to make it sound totally inefficient...what the report ACTUALLY said is that no credible information about "imminent attacks" was gained. The truth is, there just isn't that much information in this report at all, but it feels like a swimming pool full of details, when in reality, it's more like a fish bowl. We'll never know what information they really obtained, and we'll never know the true depths of torture and interrogating they resorted to with these terrorists.

    All in all, this whole report was released for political posturing...moving chess pieces around leading up to a major house change and coming presidential election.

    Why use a tactic that's already proven useless in gathering information???
    You're now reflecting on the words of this report in a totally opinionated fashion. No part of the report gave an indication the methods were all around useless...if anything, reading into it, it was more of a report on inefficiency.
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    12-10-2014 11:29 PM
  9. palandri's Avatar
    Let's look at it from another angle. Just imagine that a group of terrorists kidnapped a close family member of yours, and one of the terrorists was captured. The only way to get that family member back alive is to "torture" the terrorist in custody to get info. Now, you have to ask yourself "what would Palandri do?" .


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    I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.
    12-11-2014 12:04 AM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.
    What do you feel is the most efficient way of getting information out of captive terrorists then? What would be your go to method of doing such?
    12-11-2014 12:14 AM
  11. HankAZ's Avatar
    I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.
    Yeah, if we just ignore the heinous acts of these terrorists, maybe they will leave us alone and eventually, maybe they will even learn to like us.

    Give me a freaking break.
    12-11-2014 12:16 AM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    What do you feel is the most efficient way of getting information out of captive terrorists then? What would be your go to method of doing such?
    Does the FBI, ATF, Secret Service, or your local Police do what the CIA did to get information? There's a 101 other ways to get the information you need.
    12-11-2014 12:36 AM
  13. palandri's Avatar
    Yeah, if we just ignore the heinous acts of these terrorists, maybe they will leave us alone and eventually, maybe they will even learn to like us.

    Give me a freaking break.
    What you don't understand is aggression breeds aggression. If I come on to you aggressively, what am I going to get? I am going to get an aggressive response. What does that solve?
    12-11-2014 12:40 AM
  14. Smply_Rcklss's Avatar
    What you don't understand is aggression breeds aggression. If I come on to you aggressively, what am I going to get? I am going to get an aggressive response. What does that solve?
    What if those 101 ways don't work the first time ? So you're saying is, if someone kidnaps a love one, I'm suppose to be passive ? I can't justify that, I'd have to resort to some kinda torture method to get what I want to know. Look at it in this perspective, say a criminal kidnaps a loved one of yours & u kidnap his partner. You'd take the passive route in hope of getting that loved one back ? I just don't see it going that easy or simple.
    12-11-2014 01:12 AM
  15. palandri's Avatar
    What if those 101 ways don't work the first time ? So you're saying is, if someone kidnaps a love one, I'm suppose to be passive ? I can't justify that, I'd have to resort to some kinda torture method to get what I want to know. Look at it in this perspective, say a criminal kidnaps a loved one of yours & u kidnap his partner. You'd take the passive route in hope of getting that loved one back ? I just don't see it going that easy or simple.
    If you think that's morally right, then you go ahead and do that. If you could pop back in here and give us your cell number at Leavenworth, I'll write to you.
    12-11-2014 01:46 AM
  16. pappy53's Avatar
    I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.
    So you don't value your family's lives that much? Unbelievable.
    I justify protecting American lives.


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    12-11-2014 07:39 AM
  17. pappy53's Avatar
    I think again the question isn't whether we should do whatever we need to, the question was is torture effective in getting information. The problem is someone being tortured is trying to figure out what you want to hear in order to give you that information as opposed to telling you the truth. It has been shown that torture is not effective to getting quality information that's the issue. That's what the report was trying to show that no credible info actually came from the torture.
    That has not been shown at all. I am not going to repeat it, but Sean's reply is spot on.
    Intel from those interrogations is still being used today, so there goes your "no credible info" theory.


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    12-11-2014 07:43 AM
  18. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    What do you feel is the most efficient way of getting information out of captive terrorists then? What would be your go to method of doing such?
    Probably getting the ACLU and NAACP to sue them


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    12-11-2014 08:06 AM
  19. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Does the FBI, ATF, Secret Service, or your local Police do what the CIA did to get information? There's a 101 other ways to get the information you need.
    You ought to ask Sean what his occupation is.


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    12-11-2014 08:07 AM
  20. mmcfly23's Avatar
    I wouldn't torture people, period. What I find extremely disturbing is how you justify it. Aggression breeds aggression.
    The simple fact that people don't get this is mind blowing. The CIA isn't solving terrorism (imo), heck some would/could argue that they're creating more of it. I'm not surprised or shocked at all by any of this.


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    12-11-2014 08:23 AM
  21. pappy53's Avatar
    The simple fact that people don't get this is mind blowing. The CIA isn't solving terrorism (imo), heck some would/could argue that they're creating more of it. I'm not surprised or shocked at all by any of this.


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    They are not trying to solve it. They are trying to fight it and possibly stay ahead of it with some good intel. The fact that you don't get this is mind-blowing.


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    12-11-2014 08:33 AM
  22. mmcfly23's Avatar
    They are not trying to solve it. They are trying to fight it and possibly stay ahead of it with some good intel. The fact that you don't get this is mind-blowing.


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    Wouldn't you want to solve it (or at least figure out the root of the problem) vs spending billions of dollars or even worst losing lives trying to fight it? America plays/played a large role in creating the amount of hate that we receive not only from an international standpoint but domestically as well.


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    12-11-2014 08:40 AM
  23. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Again, the assumption is that torturing means you'll get credible and useful information. The studies show he opposite, most anyone under torture will say whatever you want them to say.

    Moreover, you are assuming hey are guilty , it's a very slippery slope.
    Again, this smacks of politics. There is evidence and proof that mild torture (waterboarding) actually did aid in the eventual locating and killing of Bin Laden. The democratic report is a farce and politically motivated. Torture does work. That said, we're not talking cutting fingers off or cigarette burns.


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    12-11-2014 08:48 AM
  24. pappy53's Avatar
    Man, talk about a hypocritical President!
    On enhanced interrogation- "this is not who we are", and says this while killing innocent civilians with drones (and even "terrorists" that haven't been verified of wrongdoing).


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    12-11-2014 09:12 AM
  25. acadia11's Avatar
    Man, talk about a hypocritical President!
    On enhanced interrogation- "this is not who we are", and says this while killing innocent civilians with drones (and even "terrorists" that haven't been verified of wrongdoing).


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    It's one thing to inadvertently kill civilians, it's another thing to purposely torture them. The analogy is not congruent.
    12-11-2014 09:14 AM
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