1. sanibel's Avatar
    "McCain he's not worthy of being a senator?" No.

    I just answered why I think he is not worthy of being a senator.
    So, all members of Congress whom you disagree with on torture-matters are not worthy of being senators and congressmen/women? Even the ones you might have voted for?
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    12-14-2014 07:09 PM
  2. calebt's Avatar
    So, all members of Congress whom you disagree with on torture-matters are not worthy of being senators and congressmen/women? Even the ones you might have voted for?
    I believe I stated earlier in the thread what I thought of the Democratic-Led Committee who brought this to light.
    12-14-2014 07:20 PM
  3. sanibel's Avatar
    I didn't read the entire thread, so forgive me. But I get the gist of it. Let's just agree to disagree on this, because you'd probably disagree with me that one opinion (in this case torture; tomorrow it'll be something else), isn't enough for me to determine a senator's unworthiness. That same senator could favorably voice his/her opinion on something you strongly agree on, next time.
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    12-14-2014 07:30 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    It is funny how we are praising a Republicans words on torture and Republican members on this forum are denouncing him. Lol

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    12-14-2014 08:35 PM
  5. hydrogen3's Avatar
    This thread has covered the following:
    - having ideals - for me Ben Franklin quote says it all
    - a moral argument against torture - enough has been said I think.
    - by those that know torture - I'm with John McCain on this one. It is ineffective and wrong.
    - a world view that if we misbehave it give the future radicals fuel to recruit. This is the most debatable but the least important IMO.

    How about a legal argument - this is just a part of it but let's start with this:
    6th amendment:
    Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    8th amendment:
    Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Who is going to dare come back with the retort: This is interrogation not punishment. In advance I say, give me a break. When the government comes for you or your family in the future using this same justification what will you think then? The cliche 'The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions' is appropriate.
    The U.S Constitution only applies to American citizens.


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    12-15-2014 08:19 AM
  6. acadia11's Avatar
    The U.S Constitution only applies to American citizens.


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    We are also signers of the Geneva convention. Oh wait enemy combatants.... Basically semantics
    12-15-2014 11:22 AM
  7. hydrogen3's Avatar
    We are also signers of the Geneva convention. Oh wait enemy combatants.... Basically semantics
    Morals? You've got a lot of nerve standing on your self righteous stump. Don't you dare preach your ignorant hypocritical garbage with out looking in the mirror first. Where is your condemnation of those islamic savages that brutality raped, and murdered Ambassador Chris Stevan's and then dragged his naked body through the streets of Benghazi?

    The Democratic Party, there liberal/progressive minions prove daily that they are devoid of moral compass.


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    12-15-2014 12:40 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    Morals? You've got a lot of nerve standing on your self righteous stump. Don't you dare preach your ignorant hypocritical garbage with out looking in the mirror first. Where is your condemnation of those islamic savages that brutality raped, and murdered Ambassador Chris Stevan's and then dragged his naked body through the streets of Bengazi?

    The Democratic Party, there liberal/progressive minions prove daily that they are devoid of moral compass.


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    Oh, god, a Benghazi reference.

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    12-15-2014 02:19 PM
  9. acadia11's Avatar
    Morals? You've got a lot of nerve standing on your self righteous stump. Don't you dare preach your ignorant hypocritical garbage with out looking in the mirror first. Where is your condemnation of those islamic savages that brutality raped, and murdered Ambassador Chris Stevan's and then dragged his naked body through the streets of Benghazi?

    The Democratic Party, there liberal/progressive minions prove daily that they are devoid of moral compass.


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    I didn't know I had to actively condemn them, I thought we pretty much agreed on their place in history. But if it makes you feel better , they are some sick and twisted f....... On that side of the world.
    12-15-2014 02:58 PM
  10. hydrogen3's Avatar
    dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/levin-obama-sympathy-for-muslim-brotherhood-tied-to-his-community-organizer-roots
    12-15-2014 07:21 PM
  11. acadia11's Avatar
    dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/levin-obama-sympathy-for-muslim-brotherhood-tied-to-his-community-organizer-roots
    Or you quoting the daily caller!!!! Lmao!!!! I thought Obama was Christian following reverend wright, man, I get so lost in the conspiracies sometimes ....
    12-15-2014 10:33 PM
  12. calebt's Avatar
    “Taliban storm Pakistani school, killing 126” Mostly Kids.
    Taliban storm Pakistani school, killing 126

    This is why we do what we do; we don’t need this coming to America.

    Now is a good time for all those who like to reason, negotiate with people who want to kill you just for your religious beliefs or way of life, to get on plane and fly to Washington and have Mr. Obama fly you over to Pakistan, so you can sit down and negotiate the stopping of this type of carnage. I can only imagine how those talks would end.
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    12-16-2014 08:12 AM
  13. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Or you quoting the daily caller!!!! Lmao!!!! I thought Obama was Christian following reverend wright, man, I get so lost in the conspiracies sometimes ....
    Ignoring the facts. Yet again.


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    12-16-2014 08:15 AM
  14. acadia11's Avatar
    Ignoring the facts. Yet again.


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    Yaaawwwwnnnn!!!!
    12-16-2014 10:15 AM
  15. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Yaaawwwwnnnn!!!!
    Why don't you listen to the audio clip and stop acting like a smuck.


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    12-16-2014 10:37 AM
  16. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Taliban storm Pakistani school, killing 126 Mostly Kids.
    Taliban storm Pakistani school, killing 126

    This is why we do what we do; we dont need this coming to America.

    Now is a good time for all those who like to reason, negotiate with people who want to kill you just for your religious beliefs or way of life, to get on plane and fly to Washington and have Mr. Obama fly you over to Pakistan, so you can sit down and negotiate the stopping of this type of carnage. I can only imagine how those talks would end.
    I'm confused... Hillary, said "we must empathize with our enemies" " we should try to understand Americas enemies" and show respect.

    Chuckles


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    12-16-2014 10:41 AM
  17. calebt's Avatar
    Another blinded Politician.


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    12-16-2014 02:35 PM
  18. hydrogen3's Avatar
    The sad thing. She will receive the Democratic nomination in 2016.
    12-16-2014 05:43 PM
  19. calebt's Avatar
    I believe you to be right sad. On a good note, I heard this on the radio today about Jeb Bush.

    "Actively explore the possibility of running for president of the United States."
    12-16-2014 06:08 PM
  20. calebt's Avatar
    We are also signers of the Geneva convention. Oh wait enemy combatants.... Basically semantics
    The Geneva Convention is a good thing and all that, but you can’t have only one side obeying the rules of war. When the Geneva Convention was signed it was a different time and a different kind of enemy.

    Me personally I just don’t believe in war with rules, if you are going to go to war you have to go with the will to win and that means total war, unfortunately it is an ugly thing. This is why I am against war. This war was brought to us and if I read the media right the Extreme Islamist declared war on the US and I’m sure they are for total war.
    I get so pissed when these Politicians form committees denouncing the United States during these times. Plus I have a Son in the Military who has been to Korea twice Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. I just can’t stand when Politicians send our boys and girls to hostile countries and then place such strict rules on them. On the other hand they want to give enemy combatants the same rights as US citizens. It makes me sick to my stomach when I think they are given better heath care then our returning veterans.
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    12-16-2014 07:01 PM
  21. Scatabrain's Avatar
    The Geneva Convention is a good thing and all that, but you cant have only one side obeying the rules of war. When the Geneva Convention was signed it was a different time and a different kind of enemy.

    Me personally I just dont believe in war with rules, if you are going to go to war you have to go with the will to win and that means total war, unfortunately it is an ugly thing. This is why I am against war. This war was brought to us and if I read the media right the Extreme Islamist declared war on the US and Im sure they are for total war.
    I get so pissed when these Politicians form committees denouncing the United States during these times. Plus I have a Son in the Military who has been to Korea twice Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. I just cant stand when Politicians send our boys and girls to hostile countries and then place such strict rules on them. On the other hand they want to give enemy combatants the same rights as US citizens. It makes me sick to my stomach when I think they are given better heath care then our returning veterans.
    So very wrong. The convention outlines what we all agree is acceptable and what is not. You can't just throw away values because today's enemies are a new level of evil. What is wrong is wrong. Period. If anything its even more important to remember who we are.


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    12-16-2014 08:47 PM
  22. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/levin-obama-sympathy-for-muslim-brotherhood-tied-to-his-community-organizer-roots
    This president and commander in chief is killing quite a few muslim extremists ..... is that what you call sympathy?


    HYDRO.... you can't have it both ways. Take off the tinfoil hat and join us in reality. K?
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    12-16-2014 09:40 PM
  23. Scatabrain's Avatar
    The Geneva Convention is a good thing and all that, but you cant have only one side obeying the rules of war. When the Geneva Convention was signed it was a different time and a different kind of enemy.

    Me personally I just dont believe in war with rules, if you are going to go to war you have to go with the will to win and that means total war, unfortunately it is an ugly thing. This is why I am against war. This war was brought to us and if I read the media right the Extreme Islamist declared war on the US and Im sure they are for total war.
    I get so pissed when these Politicians form committees denouncing the United States during these times. Plus I have a Son in the Military who has been to Korea twice Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. I just cant stand when Politicians send our boys and girls to hostile countries and then place such strict rules on them. On the other hand they want to give enemy combatants the same rights as US citizens. It makes me sick to my stomach when I think they are given better heath care then our returning veterans.
    If you were in London being bombed or a Jewish family in Eastern Europe I think you might have a different opinion that today's evil is any worse then yesterday's.


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    12-16-2014 09:52 PM
  24. calebt's Avatar
    If you were in London being bombed or a Jewish family in Eastern Europe I think you might have a different opinion that today's evil is any worse then yesterday's.


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    I can’t tell you what I would really do under that kind of pressure and neither can you. People under in those type of circumstance change quickly. I can only tell you how I feel now and that is what I stated above.

    I can tell you this though, I’m glad the men it charge back then did what they did or you may not be here today typing you opinions.
    12-16-2014 11:11 PM
  25. calebt's Avatar
    So very wrong. The convention outlines what we all agree is acceptable and what is not. You can't just throw away values because today's enemies are a new level of evil. What is wrong is wrong. Period. If anything its even more important to remember who we are.


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    I don’t remember the Islamist sitting down and signing that agreement.
    12-16-2014 11:17 PM
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