1. A895's Avatar
    Oh, so it was only blacks in New Orleans? /smh
    New Orleans was a predominantly black area, the response to that crisis was horrendously slow, that many came to the conclusions George Bush did not care for the black inhabitants.
    12-01-2014 01:41 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    To the OP: I agree with your post. Obama is possibly one of the best presidents since Eisenhower.
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    12-01-2014 01:44 PM
  3. pappy53's Avatar
    To the OP: I disagree with your post. Obama is possibly one of the worst presidents since Eisenhower.
    Fixed it!
    12-03-2014 07:10 AM
  4. A895's Avatar
    Fixed it!
    Lol, why is it so important that Obama is a bad president?
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    12-03-2014 07:39 AM
  5. hydrogen3's Avatar
    12-03-2014 08:10 AM
  6. sanibel's Avatar
    Obama will go down as an exceptional president-1013639_746829825410074_1371183068186357466_n.jpg
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    12-03-2014 10:48 AM
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    Most will remember him like we do Jimmy Carter - completely incompetent and far left waste of time.
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    12-03-2014 11:18 AM
  8. Honey Beagle's Avatar
    The health scare plan is a scam. For me it would cost over 300 a month. Should be a voluntary plan. Or mandatory. Oh...Obama is getting monies out of this SCAM.
    12-03-2014 05:00 PM
  9. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    New Orleans was a predominantly black area, the response to that crisis was horrendously slow, that many came to the conclusions George Bush did not care for the black inhabitants.
    If was my understanding that the problem in N'awlens was the Democratic Mayor and Governor. Had the Mayor been on the ball, he would have used those school buses to get people out. The Governor did nothing. Why blame Bush? When he finally saw nothing was getting done on the local level, he sprang into action. That's how those emergency situations are usually handled. First locally. But for God's sake man, Katrina was like nothing anyone had ever seen before. We can throw blame around all day long. But the truth is that for those first couple of days, no one knew quite what to do. There were no communications in the city. It was a horrible site to see on TV. I think we all felt helpless. I did. I doubt seriously if that situation would have been handled any differently by Obama or any other president. It's different today. We have the hindsight of that incident. And Obama has responded to disasters in a timely manner. But trying to blame one man is ridiculous. I don't blame anyone. We simply were not prepared for such a disaster. Not locally, statewide nor in DC. That's the truth of it!


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    12-03-2014 05:20 PM
  10. reseefata107's Avatar
    Hey,
    Non of any formal Presidents put on uniform to fight our enemies before; this President should not be the first chief executive to in combat. He didn't personally killed Osama Bin Laden, however, he initiated the plan and the follow service men and women carried on his plans. You may have to change the constitution if want to see sitting President goes to war to fight enemies.
    12-03-2014 05:22 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    If was my understanding that the problem in N'awlens was the Democratic Mayor and Governor. Had the Mayor been on the ball, he would have used those school buses to get people out. The Governor did nothing. Why blame Bush? When he finally saw nothing was getting done on the local level, he sprang into action. That's how those emergency situations are usually handled. First locally. But for God's sake man, Katrina was like nothing anyone had ever seen before. We can throw blame around all day long. But the truth is that for those first couple of days, no one knew quite what to do. There were no communications in the city. It was a horrible site to see on TV. I think we all felt helpless. I did. I doubt seriously if that situation would have been handled any differently by Obama or any other president. It's different today. We have the hindsight of that incident. And Obama has responded to disasters in a timely manner. But trying to blame one man is ridiculous. I don't blame anyone. We simply were not prepared for such a disaster. Not locally, statewide nor in DC. That's the truth of it!


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    I am not blaming anyone, but anyone who was in New Orleans at the time will tell you they blame Bush for such a slow response.
    12-03-2014 06:13 PM
  12. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I am not blaming anyone, but anyone who was in New Orleans at the time will tell you they blame Bush for such a slow response.
    Good God man... Why is it so important to blame Bush?

    Chuckles.
    12-03-2014 06:38 PM
  13. Les74's Avatar
    If was my understanding that the problem in N'awlens was the Democratic Mayor and Governor. Had the Mayor been on the ball, he would have used those school buses to get people out. The Governor did nothing. Why blame Bush? When he finally saw nothing was getting done on the local level, he sprang into action. That's how those emergency situations are usually handled. First locally. But for God's sake man, Katrina was like nothing anyone had ever seen before. We can throw blame around all day long. But the truth is that for those first couple of days, no one knew quite what to do. There were no communications in the city. It was a horrible site to see on TV. I think we all felt helpless. I did. I doubt seriously if that situation would have been handled any differently by Obama or any other president. It's different today. We have the hindsight of that incident. And Obama has responded to disasters in a timely manner. But trying to blame one man is ridiculous. I don't blame anyone. We simply were not prepared for such a disaster. Not locally, statewide nor in DC. That's the truth of it!


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    Just out of curiosity...who is responsible for deploying FEMA?


    Asking for a friend....
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    12-03-2014 06:53 PM
  14. A895's Avatar
    Good God man... Why is it so important to blame Bush?

    Chuckles.
    Did I not just say I am not blaming Bush?
    12-03-2014 07:12 PM
  15. reseefata107's Avatar
    Hey,
    It's also truth at the time of disaster, everyone is confused, perplex and doesn't know what to do or where to go for help. However, Bush administration was slow response to people need; It's like wait and see what he can do for people of New Orleans who are already in stage of desperation. What happened to New Orleans is not unprecedented before; Bush and members of his cabinet should have known first aid people in that State needs immediately after Katrina but non has any clue on how to help, What would Bush do if his neighborhood is flooded?
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    12-03-2014 08:34 PM
  16. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Just out of curiosity...who is responsible for deploying FEMA?


    Asking for a friend....
    By the president after a request is made from the state. That's how it was then. But that protocol has been changed. Hopefully we won't have another Katrina. The hurricane nor the situation. My son lives just on the north side of Lake Pontchartrain.


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    12-03-2014 08:42 PM
  17. Soeasy's Avatar
    We may disagree on politics, but we do agree on closing this thread. It serves no useful purpose.


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    I thought this thread was a great example of our society on a whole.

    It started with politics and quickly became a thread about race.

    My second Master's(first was Economics. Go Rams!) is in Sociology.

    The bottom line is 'pecking order'. For one group of people to move up in a culture/society another has to move down.

    Until we achieve economic parity(unrealistic in my opinion), race will always be used to separate the haves from the have-nots.

    I remember my first trip for Morgan Stanley to West Virginia for a conference on Pension legislation.

    Being born and growing up on Manhattan's Upper East Side blinds you to some economic realities of our country.

    As economically disadvantaged as some of the locals were, they wholeheartedly believed the following:

    "I might be poor, uneducated even, but at least I'm white."

    Now this was quite possibly the most illogical thing I'd ever heard. I thought to myself that poverty knows no color, sexual orientation, religion. etc...

    THAT was the 24 year old me right out of grad school preaching the virtues of capitalism and free markets.

    17 years later, I still preach the virtues of capitalism and free markets, but the Sociology studies have taught me that mankind, as a species, doesn't actually strive for parity. Yet.

    Maybe we'll evolve a bit more and get closer, but right now everyone is just trying to maintain their spot in the pecking order hierarchy.
    Last edited by Soeasy; 12-03-2014 at 09:13 PM. Reason: typos.
    12-03-2014 09:02 PM
  18. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I thought this thread was a great example of our society on a whole.

    It started with politics and quickly a thread about race.

    My second Master's(first was Economics. Go Rams!)

    The bottom line is 'pecking order'. For one group of people to move up in a culture/society another has to move down.

    Until we achieve economic parity(unrealistic in my opinion), race will always be used to separate the haves from the have-nots.

    I remember my first trip for Morgan Stanley to West Virginia for a conference on Pension legislation.

    Being born and growing up in Manhattan blinds you to some economic realities of our country.

    As economically disadvantaged as some of the locals were, they wholeheartedly believed the following:

    "I might be poor, uneducated even, but at least I'm white."

    Now this was quite possibly the most illogical thing I'd ever heard. I thought to myself that poverty knows no color, sexual orientation, religion. etc...

    THAT was the 24 year old me right out of grad school preaching the virtues of capitalism and free markets.

    17 years later, I still preach the virtues of capitalism and free markets, but the Sociology studies have taught me that mankind, as a species, doesn't actually strive for parity. Yet.

    Maybe we'll evolve a bit more and get closer, but right now everyone is just trying to maintain their spot in the pecking order hierarchy.
    That is so cynical. You are saying essentially for some to do well as a group it is only at the expense of another group.

    That gives the 'haves' an excuse to fear the 'have nots' and the 'have nots' an excuse for reciprocating.

    Maybe from an economics perspective that is what had happened / is happening as a whole but I would rather look forward. Probably in every culture that ever was. But we can learn from the past.

    I would rather put faith in a united America where class and race and party are all trumped by our bond as Americans.

    Let's all take responsibility for ourselves and for those that have been left behind and we can all prosper.

    I believe in an America where the dream isn't a zero sum battle. We can be better then that.

    Cheers.






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    12-03-2014 09:29 PM
  19. Soeasy's Avatar
    That is so cynical. You are saying essentially for some to do well as a group it is only at the expense of another group.

    That gives the 'haves' an excuse to fear the 'have nots' and the 'have nots' an excuse for reciprocating.

    Maybe from an economics perspective that is what had happened / is happening as a whole but I would rather look forward. Probably in every culture that ever was. But we can learn from the past.

    I would rather put faith in a united America where class and race and party are all trumped by our bond as Americans.

    Let's all take responsibility for ourselves and for those that have been left behind and we can all prosper.

    I believe in an America where the dream isn't a zero sum battle. We can be better then that.

    Cheers.






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    On my 1st day of freshman Economics, my professor, who is extremely well respected and has written several papers on socio-economic theory, said something very profound within the first 10 mins of class.

    He said:

    "To have rich people, you must have poor people."

    I don't disagree with you about ideals, but some ideals are born before our species is actually ready for them.

    I don't consider myself cynical by any measure, but I do prefer to see things as they are and not how I'd like them to be.

    Maybe conversations like these can actually help us get there.

    Cheers!
    12-03-2014 09:41 PM
  20. Scatabrain's Avatar
    On my 1st day of freshman Economics, my professor, who is extremely well respected and has written several papers on socio-economic theory, said something very profound within the first 10 mins of class.

    He said:

    "To have rich people, you must have poor people."

    I don't disagree with you about ideals, but some ideals are born before our species is actually ready for them.

    I don't consider myself cynical by any measure, but I do prefer to see things as they are and not how I'd like them to be.

    Maybe conversations like these can actually help us get there.

    Cheers!
    Any layman book suggestions not politically motivated? All I ever see are studies or essays with an agenda.

    Cheers.


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    12-03-2014 09:44 PM
  21. sanibel's Avatar
    17 years later, I still preach the virtues of capitalism and free markets, but the Sociology studies have taught me that mankind, as a species, doesn't actually strive for parity. Yet.
    Maybe we'll evolve a bit more and get closer, but right now everyone is just trying to maintain their spot in the pecking order hierarchy.
    From slugs to humans pecking order has always existed and, most likely, will continue to exist. The task for us is to maintain a civilized society that pays diligent respect to all of its members. There's nothing wrong with personal goals via capitalism and free market: The more the better. Personal triumphs shouldn't be looked at as a threat to democratic values.
    Expanding: Poor and rich can experience personal growth and achievements.
    Last edited by sanibel; 12-03-2014 at 09:57 PM.
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    12-03-2014 09:46 PM
  22. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I thought this thread was a great example of our society on a whole.

    It started with politics and quickly became a thread about race.

    My second Master's(first was Economics. Go Rams!) is in Sociology.

    The bottom line is 'pecking order'. For one group of people to move up in a culture/society another has to move down.

    Until we achieve economic parity(unrealistic in my opinion), race will always be used to separate the haves from the have-nots.

    I remember my first trip for Morgan Stanley to West Virginia for a conference on Pension legislation.

    Being born and growing up on Manhattan's Upper East Side blinds you to some economic realities of our country.

    As economically disadvantaged as some of the locals were, they wholeheartedly believed the following:

    "I might be poor, uneducated even, but at least I'm white."

    Now this was quite possibly the most illogical thing I'd ever heard. I thought to myself that poverty knows no color, sexual orientation, religion. etc...

    THAT was the 24 year old me right out of grad school preaching the virtues of capitalism and free markets.

    17 years later, I still preach the virtues of capitalism and free markets, but the Sociology studies have taught me that mankind, as a species, doesn't actually strive for parity. Yet.

    Maybe we'll evolve a bit more and get closer, but right now everyone is just trying to maintain their spot in the pecking order hierarchy.
    Perhaps you're right. But in my corner of Alabama, we get along with one another very well. I never think about race. We treat each other as equally and with respect as one possibly can. IDK, seems surreal at times watching the news. Maybe what I'm seeing is some of that pecking you refer to. But what do the Rams have to do with economics?


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    12-03-2014 09:56 PM
  23. Soeasy's Avatar
    Any layman book suggestions not politically motivated? All I ever see are studies or essays with an agenda.

    Cheers.


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    Agreed. But there are some folks who look at the subject from a purely scientific angle.

    They actually are some really good books on the subject. Even some good books on 'Pecking Order' and Social Hierarchies.

    Nietzsche(somewhat shifting to philosophy) in fact was very convinced that humanity needs hierarchies in order to achieve greatness. He believed that societal "envy" was one of the reasons that people actually tried harder to 'do better'.

    He may have been spot on with that.

    Our mission to the Moon was also aimed at beating the Russians there.

    Let me dig through the hall closet tomorrow and see if there any books that touch on the subjects.
    12-03-2014 10:02 PM
  24. Soeasy's Avatar
    But what do the Rams have to do with economics?


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    I went to Fordham Univ. The Rams are our Football team. :-)

    FB at UNH :-)
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    12-03-2014 10:06 PM
  25. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I am not blaming anyone, but anyone who was in New Orleans at the time will tell you they blame Bush for such a slow response.
    One of my good friends grew up in New Orleans and was raising his two children and supporting his wife in school (fresh out of the Army no less) when Katrina struck...he was stranded with his family and got to his aunts house where they hunkered down and survived by getting everyone to a FEMA camp about 2 miles away after the storm had subsided and they were able to navigate the area as safely as possible. While there, he contributed his abilities voluntarily as that is the only thing he knew how to do being a properly raised man. His family went back home and tried to collect their lives back together but he stayed few a week longer to help with the FEMA came they were in...he even got shot at one night when he was trying to break up a fight where they were giving fuel to people.

    He told me that so many years after all that happened, he didn't blame any one singular person for the response, and that he was glad he lived in the United States where at least there WAS a response, and that he was proud to have helped how he could.

    Katrina was the second major hurricane he went through...the first was Andrew, and he told me that even though he was teenager when that storm hit, he remembered that it felt like an eternity before help came and that he remembered being turned away from places to get water because there wasn't enough to give out.

    I shared this because I found your comment kind of ridiculous. I very closely know a wonderful man who went through that nightmare and doesn't blame Bush...and the reason is because there's no reason TO blame Bush, or any one singular person. Unpreparedness...it's a nasty thing that envelops a lot of people during that event. He'd tell you today that discussions had taken place for YEARS about the engineering mishaps with the levees, and the fact that regardless of what anyone did, a huge storm would have and still will make easy work of that city.

    People like to make things about race...that's just what those who crave this want you to do. Blaming Bush for the response to Katrina would be like blaming Obama for the beheadings of the handful of people we've watched over the last year. Stop looking for scapegoats and start actually trying to help people.
    12-04-2014 11:58 PM
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