1. acadia11's Avatar
    You would know race doesn't exist and is only a social construct. Every reputable scientist knows this.


    I do not believe in race as such. Race is a fraud. All modern people are the conglomeration of so many ethnic mixtures that no pure race remains.-einstein

    I'll take his words over any you produce.
    I agree it's a social construct , I don't understand how that changes its impact, on how we view people. Race has no biological meaning, be that as it may, people still socially try and categorize one another in this manner.

    'Racism without racists'?
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    (CNN) - In a classic study on race, psychologists staged an experiment with two photographs that produced a surprising result.

    They showed people a photograph of two white men fighting, one unarmed and another holding a knife. Then they showed another photograph, this one of a white man with a knife fighting an unarmed African-American man.

    When they asked people to identify the man who was armed in the first picture, most people picked the right one. Yet when they were asked the same question about the second photo, most people -- black and white -- incorrectly said the black man had the knife.
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    11-29-2014 02:56 PM
  2. FinancialP's Avatar
    I agree it's a social construct , I don't understand how that changes its impact, on how we view people. Race has no biological meaning, be that as it may, people still socially try and categorize one another in this manner.

    'Racism without racists'?
    A A A (resize font)
    (CNN) - In a classic study on race, psychologists staged an experiment with two photographs that produced a surprising result.

    They showed people a photograph of two white men fighting, one unarmed and another holding a knife. Then they showed another photograph, this one of a white man with a knife fighting an unarmed African-American man.

    When they asked people to identify the man who was armed in the first picture, most people picked the right one. Yet when they were asked the same question about the second photo, most people -- black and white -- incorrectly said the black man had the knife.
    That's terrible. I agree with you on some points.
    11-29-2014 03:13 PM
  3. hydrogen3's Avatar
    That's terrible. I agree with you on some points.
    Yawning... Reads like an episode of Brain Games.
    11-29-2014 03:22 PM
  4. hydrogen3's Avatar
    In my experience people who make every thread about race......are racist them selfs... Every thread in the political section turns into a race debate.....

    Sad if you think about it...
    11-29-2014 03:26 PM
  5. anon(5061193)'s Avatar
    I didn't vote for him and will NEVER vote for Hillary.... but if you don't think that race GOT him elected and also has hampered his tenure is naive... Racism is alive and well in the US and it isn't just the GOP, the DEMS play the race card every chance they get
    11-29-2014 03:30 PM
  6. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I didn't vote for him and will NEVER vote for Hillary.... but if you don't think that race GOT him elected and also has hampered his tenure is naive... Racism is alive and well in the US and it isn't just the GOP, the DEMS play the race card every chance they get
    Amen.
    11-29-2014 03:31 PM
  7. acadia11's Avatar
    In my experience people who make every thread about race......are racist them selfs... Every thread in the political section turns into a race debate.....

    Sad if you think about it...
    Listen look up the definition of racism. Talking about race does not make you racist, and the fact that you feel it's not ok to talk says way more about your hang ups than mine.

    Race is a factor in our lives, it's he ugly truth, denying it doesn't make it any less true, again, you can continue to use the tacit passive aggressive stance of proclaiming any discussion about race, as "playing the race" card, but guess what it won't shut me up. Nor calling me a racist will shut me up, I'm a realist and I have no issue accepting the world for what it is, and hoping to make it better. But ignoring , denying, proclaiming it all false when the evidence says the contrary makes you sound like those holocaust denialist. Research and science be dayumed , I'll simply choose to live in lala land and pretend human beings have miraculously changed thousands of years of conditioning and millions of evolution. I'm sorry you are simply wrong, don't deny it, prove your stance, prove your argument, cite studies that say the contrary it's very simple.
    11-29-2014 03:38 PM
  8. acadia11's Avatar
    I didn't vote for him and will NEVER vote for Hillary.... but if you don't think that race GOT him elected and also has hampered his tenure is naive... Racism is alive and well in the US and it isn't just the GOP, the DEMS play the race card every chance they get
    I don't think I research, and base my proclamation on research of the people who study psychology and sociology, it's not my opinion it's the work of people who's job it is to understand human dynamics. And I saw what you did there.

    This is the big difference between your opinion and my facts, my comments are not born of anger or some desire to deflect guilt. It's simply the stated research and supported claims of the people who study this topic.
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    11-29-2014 03:41 PM
  9. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Listen look up the definition of racism. Talking about race does not make you racist, and the fact that you feel it's not ok to talk says way more about your hang ups than mine.

    Race is a factor in our lives, it's he ugly truth, denying it doesn't make it any less true, again, you can continue to use the tacit passive aggressive stance of proclaiming any discussion about race, as "playing the race" card, but guess what it won't shut me up. Nor calling me a racist will shut me up, I'm a realist and I have no issue accepting the world for what it is, and hoping to make it better. But ignoring , denying, proclaiming it all false when the evidence says the contrary makes you sound like those holocaust denialist. Research and science be dayumed , I'll simply choose to live in lala land and pretend human beings have miraculously changed thousands of years of conditioning and millions of evolution. I'm sorry you are simply wrong, don't deny it, prove your stance, prove your argument, cite studies that say the contrary it's very simple.
    You know nothing about me.. For the record. I have no "hang ups." You want to discuss race? By all means let's....
    11-29-2014 03:52 PM
  10. palandri's Avatar
    I agree it's a social construct , I don't understand how that changes its impact, on how we view people. Race has no biological meaning, be that as it may, people still socially try and categorize one another in this manner.

    'Racism without racists'?
    A A A (resize font)
    (CNN) - In a classic study on race, psychologists staged an experiment with two photographs that produced a surprising result.

    They showed people a photograph of two white men fighting, one unarmed and another holding a knife. Then they showed another photograph, this one of a white man with a knife fighting an unarmed African-American man.

    When they asked people to identify the man who was armed in the first picture, most people picked the right one. Yet when they were asked the same question about the second photo, most people -- black and white -- incorrectly said the black man had the knife.
    It all has to do with the way we are socialized. I had a Socioogy professor do an unbelieveable demonstration on how differently the sexes are socialized. She made mention of somethings that women are always going to be able to do better than men, which brought a few chuckles from the men in the class.

    During the next class session. she set us up and had one of the graduate assistants knock on the classroom door, walk in and say, sorry to disturb you but there's a 1975 chevy brown nova, with cragar wheels, thrush mufflers....etc.. (real detailed on the car) with its lights on, and then leave.

    Then she told everyone in the class to write down an exactly description of the graduate assistant and what he said. We handed the papers in and the women in class were able to describe the graduate assistant to a tee, including what he was wearing, hair style..etc.., but failed miserable on the description and details of the car. The men in the class had the description and details of the car down to a tee, but failed miserable on a description of the graduate assistant.
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    11-29-2014 03:54 PM
  11. acadia11's Avatar
    You know nothing about me.. For the record. I have no "hang ups." You want to discuss race? By all means let's....
    I just tried you just told me, I'm playing race the card. Now you want to discuss, so , let's step back do you disagree with the research that states humans have inherent racial bias like the knife experiment I just pointed out.

    Again, I suggest you read the article before you continue in the topic. Because the exact conversation it stated would happen , just did.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/fer...ias/?c=&page=1
    11-29-2014 03:56 PM
  12. acadia11's Avatar
    It all has to do with the way we are socialized. I had a Socioogy professor do an unbelieveable demomstrate on how differently the sexes are socialized. She made mention of somethings that women are always going to be able to do better than men, which brought a few chuckles from the men in the class.

    During the next class session. she set us up and had one of the graduate assistants knock on the classroom door, walk in and say, sorry to disturb you but there's a 1975 chevy brown nova, with cragar wheels, thrush mufflers....etc.. (real detailed on the car) with its lights on, and then leave.

    Then she told everyone in the class to write down an exactly description of the graduate assistant and what he said. We handed the papers in and the women in class were able to describe the graduate assistant to a tee, including what he was wearing, hair style..etc.., but failed miserable on the description and details of the car. The men in the class had the description and details of the car down to a tee, but failed miserable on a description of the graduate assistant.
    Yes, I agree , which is why inherently Obama would come under a different set of scrutiny than other presidents. Like the knife experiment we are taught or socialized to be more open to the idea that the black person was holding the knife while the white guy was unarmed. Even the blacks asked were more likely to choose the black guy. In the same vain people inherently will be more open to the idea of mistrusting Obama.

    Even though I pointed out that by all metrics Obama did better with his recession than Reagan, it's simply harder for people to accept that this is the case. Even though it is, the graph experiment at Dartmouth was telling , even, when people were shown the job numbers while looking right at them they still stated Obama lost jobs.
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    11-29-2014 04:02 PM
  13. Scatabrain's Avatar
    This is the same logic you applied to our choice of phone. We are all not of aware of why we make our own choice but you are aware of these reasons and therefore you know what we all should think instead.


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    11-29-2014 04:03 PM
  14. acadia11's Avatar
    This is the same logic you applied to our choice of phone. We are all not of aware of why we make our own choice but you are aware of these reasons and therefore you know what we all should think instead.


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    Incorrect, I stated that many people chose phone for xYZ reason,

    And pointed to the research of Simon Sinek, specifically on the success of Apple


    I don't talk in absolutes because absolutes are very hard to scientifically prove.

    1 + 1= 2, we all accept its true, but trying to prove its always true is actually pretty hard.

    But you and I are digressing and using what's known in rhetoric as a strawman argument, let's continue on the topic which was racE and Obama and its effect on how people view him.
    Last edited by acadia11; 11-29-2014 at 04:20 PM.
    11-29-2014 04:07 PM
  15. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Incorrect, I stated that many people chose phone for xYZ reason,

    And pointed to the research of Simon Sinek, specifically on the success of Apple


    I don't talk in absolutes because absolutes are very hard to scientifically prove.

    1 + 1= 2, we all accept its true, but trying to prove its always true is actually pretty hard.

    But you and I are digressing and using what's known in rhetoric as a strawman argument, let's continue on the topic which was racE and Obama and its effect on how people view him.
    Just trying to help with your theme here that you don't understand why despite your evidence many don't agree with your conclusions.


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    11-29-2014 04:34 PM
  16. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I just tried you just told me, I'm playing race the card. Now you want to discuss, so , let's step back do you disagree with the research that states humans have inherent racial bias like the knife experiment I just pointed out.

    Again, I suggest you read the article before you continue in the topic. Because the exact conversation it stated would happen , just did.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/fer...ias/?c=&page=1
    I said you're playing the race card!?! I said no such thing.. How dare you out words in my mouth!!!!
    11-29-2014 04:37 PM
  17. acadia11's Avatar
    Just trying to help with your theme here that you don't understand why despite your evidence many don't agree with your conclusions.


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    Again, what is there to not understand , he argument isn't my own. Again it's the argument made by people who's job is to understand. Who study and research the subject, I have no issue with you disagreeing with me, but to disagree with the authoritive SMEs on the topic, I think requires more than the opinion of a forum poster. If you or anyone disagrees jus show the evidence and research stating that race does not have an impact on our views and more specifically how society views Obama as a whole.
    11-29-2014 04:48 PM
  18. acadia11's Avatar
    I said you're playing the race card!?! I said no such thing.. How dare you out words in my mouth!!!!
    You are correct that was the comments of BobPepe, my error, that was very easy for me, compelling evidence, rational conclusion. Your turn.
    Last edited by acadia11; 11-29-2014 at 07:00 PM.
    11-29-2014 04:51 PM
  19. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Again, what is there to not understand , he argument isn't my own. Again it's the argument made by people who's job is to understand. Who study and research the subject, I have no issue with you disagreeing with me, but to disagree with the authoritive SMEs on the topic, I think requires more than the opinion of a forum poster. If you or anyone disagrees jus show the evidence and research stating that race does not have an impact on our views and more specifically how society views Obama as a whole.
    But I already posted in depth on the original subject of the thread. You have since changed it to a discussion about race.

    To borrow from the other thread where you invited a topic and then told us why we were all wrong.

    The topic of the thread is:
    "Why.... Something, something"
    Not:
    "Why Acadia11 thinks we .... Something, something"

    It's a honey pot for trolling. Now I'm done.





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  20. hydrogen3's Avatar
    You are correct that was the comments of BobPepe, that was very easy for me, compelling evidence, rational conclusion. Your turn.
    I'm done with you!
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    11-29-2014 06:16 PM
  21. acadia11's Avatar
    But I already posted in depth on the original subject of the thread. You have since changed it to a discussion about race.

    To borrow from the other thread where you invited a topic and then told us why we were all wrong.

    The topic of the thread is:
    "Why.... Something, something"
    Not:
    "Why Acadia11 thinks we .... Something, something"

    It's a honey pot for trolling. Now I'm done.





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    Ok man. That's it, it's trolling, many a discussion hit on many topics, but I'll help you with the link to the original comment if you've forgotten, "someone stated race is part of the reason Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves." So of course the topic will be further discussed. But it's ok, it's an easy out. Use the I (Acadia) must be trolling argument to try and deflect from not addressing a legitimate response as to part of the problem in acknowledging his, Obamas success. And I'll say it again to bring it all home, the guy will be remembered with some weird sort of nostalgia when it's all said end done, once out of office. And people will forget conversations like this ever took place. And it will be hilarious.

    I think I'm going to now watch Ali, Olympic '96 torch bearing ceremony and remember how admired he was as a true American hero ... I think I saw Louis Farrakhan in the stands clapping him on.
    11-29-2014 06:54 PM
  22. acadia11's Avatar
    I'm done with you!
    Is that your superiority complex rearing its head, be careful.
    11-29-2014 06:59 PM
  23. pappy53's Avatar
    Listen look up the definition of racism. Talking about race does not make you racist, and the fact that you feel it's not ok to talk says way more about your hang ups than mine.

    Race is a factor in our lives, it's he ugly truth, denying it doesn't make it any less true, again, you can continue to use the tacit passive aggressive stance of proclaiming any discussion about race, as "playing the race" card, but guess what it won't shut me up. Nor calling me a racist will shut me up, I'm a realist and I have no issue accepting the world for what it is, and hoping to make it better. But ignoring , denying, proclaiming it all false when the evidence says the contrary makes you sound like those holocaust denialist. Research and science be dayumed , I'll simply choose to live in lala land and pretend human beings have miraculously changed thousands of years of conditioning and millions of evolution. I'm sorry you are simply wrong, don't deny it, prove your stance, prove your argument, cite studies that say the contrary it's very simple.
    Except there hasn't been millions of years, just a few thousand. But that's another topic.


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    11-29-2014 07:22 PM
  24. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    Pick a conspiracy...... there are plenty to go around for your paranoid friends.

    Obama will go down as an exceptional president-mojo-obama-conspiracy.png
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    11-29-2014 08:14 PM
  25. Soeasy's Avatar
    Except there hasn't been millions of years, just a few thousand. But that's another topic.


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    Wooow! Woooow!

    Only a few thousand huh?

    Wooow!

    You know, a very wise human once said:

    "Just because you don't believe something, does not make it untrue."

    Educate yourself dude. Seek the truth. Make it your highest persute and you will do well.

    You may not be happier, but you'll do well.
    11-29-2014 08:36 PM
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