1. acadia11's Avatar
    So,the labor participation rate is not the lowest in about 45 years?
    Yeah, we are also in the middle of the baby boom retirement, you know after ww2 all he children born 40s, 50s and 60s are retiring. Did you know the labor participation number has been declining for decades because the uS population is aging.
    11-27-2014 11:10 PM
  2. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Wow, you are definitely not up to task for this discussion on what planet is the US still in a recession, firstly, a recession has a definition, it's 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP (meaning shrinking) economy. Secondly, the US economy has grown Every quarter since July 2009, after shrinking for 6 consecutive quarters beginning on 2007.

    We have been adding jobs every quarter since 2010, we are growing at apace of almost 3.5% faster than most of the industrial world, Europe is actually in a recession, China's growth has fallen to 3%, honestly you don't what your talking about if you would be silly enough to say something like the U.S. Is in a recession.

    Obama has not created more debt than all the presidents combined, considering the debt was almost 12 trillion when he took office, which means we would need to be at 24 trillion for this comment to even have a chance at truth, not to mention most of the debt that accumulated has little to do with Obama policies.

    Finally, if you want to have this discussion at least know the facts. Bush had a plan to leave Iraq, Obama determined when and where also, our levels in Afghanistan are the lowest it's been since we started. Obama had an Iraqlike surge and then started the wothdrawal please get your facts aligned, or bother to look at some.
    Total federal government debt has increased by 66 per cent since Barack Obama became president.
    This is revealed by the Treasury Department website that discloses burgeoning numbers at the end of every business day.
    It took more than 223 years for the US to accumulate its first $7 trillion in debt.
    Obama has repeated the depressing feat in less than 67 months. = Worst President of all time.


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    11-27-2014 11:18 PM
  3. acadia11's Avatar
    So, your logic is to rate Presidents not on the merits of their accopmplishments for the American People, but how they compare to other Presidents?

    Hmmm...

    That's similar to me me saying, "Yes, I stole. But I only stole once. That other guy stole 8 times."

    Some really fuzzy logice there considering that many historians believe it was Nixon who was one of the major abusers of Executive Power. Nixon, made many policy decsions with regards to campaign contributions that are still in effect to this day. There was even that major issue when he reversed one particular policy due to a contribution from the milk industry.

    I could go on and on about the Nixon administration.

    You seem to have made a decision about Nixon without knowing anything about him other than Watergate.

    But hey, ignorance is bliss.

    Or so they say.

    That's exactly what I'm saying, is Payton manning exceptional because he threw 52 tds in a year, it is it because threw 52 tds and no one else could do it. An accomplishment only makes since as exceptional if others are not able to do those things, if others can do it, then by definition it's not exceptional it's the norm. There is nothing fuzzy about the logic, it's actually the definition of the word.

    An exceptional president because he's done a lot more than most. So yes if exception is defined by better than the norm , yes you need to look at him in comparison to other presidents. Does batting .300 mean anything if everyone could bat .300?

    When did i mention Nixon????
    11-27-2014 11:25 PM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    Wow, you are definitely not up to task for this discussion on what planet is the US still in a recession, firstly, a recession has a definition, it's 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP (meaning shrinking) economy. Secondly, the US economy has grown Every quarter since July 2009, after shrinking for 6 consecutive quarters beginning on 2007.

    We have been adding jobs every quarter since 2010, we are growing at apace of almost 3.5% faster than most of the industrial world, Europe is actually in a recession, China's growth has fallen to 3%, honestly you don't what your talking about if you would be silly enough to say something like the U.S. Is in a recession.

    Obama has not created more debt than all the presidents combined, considering the debt was almost 12 trillion when he took office, which means we would need to be at 24 trillion for this comment to even have a chance at truth, not to mention most of the debt that accumulated has little to do with Obama policies.

    Finally, if you want to have this discussion at least know the facts. Bush had a plan to leave Iraq, Obama determined when and where also, our levels in Afghanistan are the lowest it's been since we started. Obama had an Iraqlike surge and then started the wothdrawal please get your facts aligned, or bother to look at some.
    Debt was $10 trillion,not 12. But, my bad on all presidents combined, although it will be true by the time that he leaves office.

    How about him sending more troops to Afghanistan, instead of his promised pullout?

    Tell the middle class that the economy is growing, when income has fallen $7,000 annually since Obama took office.

    And let's don't start on his Obamacare lies, which are now verified by Gruber (who,btw, was being highly praised by the administration back in 2009, but now a lot of dems disavow any knowledge of him).
    11-27-2014 11:26 PM
  5. acadia11's Avatar
    No, debt was almost 12 trillion, and people incorrectly count 2009 as an Obama year, it's in fact a Bush year, although Obama takes over the budget is set from the prior year for the coming year, finally, the legislative branch actually controls the pocket book not the executive.

    Yes, let's talk about Obamacare, the question again is not about your dislike of the program, it's whether it's effective. People seem to confuse opinion with facts and fact is since we added obamacare, more people insured, the rate of growth in cost has slowed for medical services, and in most states ACA plans have lowered the cost of plans, whether you like how it came about or not is really irrelevant to its effective and so far all the claims by GOP were false ... Now as they be run out of things to say, it's time to attack how the plan was passed. Because they can't argue it hasn't worked.
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    11-27-2014 11:28 PM
  6. Soeasy's Avatar
    You're moving further into Lala Land.

    But since we're taking up residence in Bizzaro Logic world, using Nixon as your point of reference.

    What was "exceptional" about his Presidency compared other Presidents?

    A President is elected to do what's in the best interest of the American People on a whole.

    A daunting task.

    Peyton Manning is an athlete who gets paid to throw touchdowns.

    Sad comparison my friend.
    11-27-2014 11:32 PM
  7. Soeasy's Avatar
    Debt was $10 trillion,not 12. But, my bad on all presidents combined, although it will be true by the time that he leaves office.

    How about him sending more troops to Afghanistan, instead of his promised pullout?

    Tell the middle class that the economy is growing, when income has fallen $7,000 annually since Obama took office.

    And let's don't start on his Obamacare lies, which are now verified by Gruber (who,btw, was being highly praised by the administration back in 2009, but now a lot of dems disavow any knowledge of him).
    Dueling Debt Deceptions
    11-27-2014 11:33 PM
  8. Soeasy's Avatar

    When did i mention Nixon????
    Why are you even quoting me??

    My respnse was to the poster who rated the Presidents and gave Nixon a B.

    You've worked yourself into such a fevor to defend your ideology that you're just replying at random posters.

    Chill out dude.

    It's not that serious.
    11-27-2014 11:41 PM
  9. pappy53's Avatar
    No, debt was almost 12 trillion, and people incorrectly count 2009 as an Obama year, it's in fact a Bush year, although Obama takes over the budget is set from the prior year for the coming year, finally, the legislative branch actually controls the pocket book not the executive.

    Yes, let's talk about Obamacare, the question again is not about your dislike of the program, it's whether it's effective. People seem to confuse opinion with facts and fact is since we added obamacare, more people insured, the rate of growth in cost has slowed for medical services, and in most states ACA plans have lowered the cost of plans, whether you like how it came about or not is really irrelevant to its effective and so far all the claims by GOP were false ... Now as they be run out of things to say, it's time to attack how the plan was passed. Because they can't argue it hasn't worked.
    Premiums have INCREASED in all but 6 states: Now There Can Be No Doubt: Obamacare Has Increased Non-Group Premiums In Nearly All States - Forbes

    And what happened to ""premiums will decrease by $2500 per year"? Another lie.
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    11-27-2014 11:46 PM
  10. Soeasy's Avatar
    Why didn't you laugh at Bill Clinton with a B? What about Monica and the others? He had his scandal too.

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    Because I don't care about their personal scandals.

    I don't expect the President to be my spiritual leade or set a moral precedence.

    I don't care if the have s*x with goats as long as they make they contry a better place for everyone.

    But hey, I'm a Native NY'er. We tend not to care about other folks' dirty laundry.
    11-27-2014 11:46 PM
  11. acadia11's Avatar
    Premiums have INCREASED in all but 6 states: Now There Can Be No Doubt: Obamacare Has Increased Non-Group Premiums In Nearly All States - Forbes

    And what happened to ""premiums will decrease by $2500 per year"? Another lie.
    Insurance cost have increased every year since who knows, again I stated that the rate of increase the year over year of increase was lower this year.

    ACA plan cost were cheaper than existing plans in almost all states.

    I never claimed that insurance cost would go down , in what year has insurance cost ever went down even prior to ACA , please understand the statistic
    11-27-2014 11:53 PM
  12. pappy53's Avatar
    ACA plan cost were cheaper than existing plans in almost all states.
    What planet are you from? And,what about the lies?
    11-28-2014 12:00 AM
  13. acadia11's Avatar
    What planet are you from? And,what about the lies?
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...ing-to-happen/

    The one where 41 states have lower rates with an ACA plan, eat it buddy, your wrong, you want Obama to fail. It doesn't actually matter if he is wrong or right just as long as he fails. Thank god OBama was focused on Doing the right thing for the country not beating the GOP, beating the GOP is just a bonus.

    "When was the last time we saw insurance premiums experience an annual increase of less than 5 percent? I cannot remember such a time and doubt that you can either."

    And this was numbers from a conservative study, lol!!
    11-28-2014 12:05 AM
  14. pappy53's Avatar
    Key Study On Obamacare 2015 Premium Rates Is Out And You Won't Believe What's Going To Happen - Forbes

    The one where 41 states have lower rates with an ACA plan, eat it buddy, your wrong, you want Obama to fail. It doesn't actually matter if he is wrong or right just as long as he fails. Thank god OBama was focused on Doing the right thing for the country not beating the GOP, beating the GOP is just a bonus.

    "When was the last time we saw insurance premiums experience an annual increase of less than 5 percent? I cannot remember such a time and doubt that you can either."

    And this was numbers from a conservative study, lol!!
    All I see there is that premiums are going up for 2015. I saw nothing about 41 states having lower rates. So, eat it buddy, you're wrong.
    You continue to deflect or ignore the questions about the lies (keep your doctor, keep your plan, $2500 lower premium, etc.). Plus, who can pay a $10,000 deductible?
    11-28-2014 12:16 AM
  15. acadia11's Avatar
    He only had one scandal. Obama has had about 8 scandals. Thing is, take away Watergate, and he was a great president. Especially on foreign policy.
    Why didn't you laugh at Bill Clinton with a B? What about Monica and the others? He had his scandal too.

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    Lol 8 scandals, you mean like Benghazi where the republican led which hunt found out nothing happened . Please let me know when they impeach Obama because he had so many scandals. Like everything else it comes to when dealing with the bubble. These things only exist in the minds of GOP supporters.
    11-28-2014 12:18 AM
  16. acadia11's Avatar
    All I see there is that premiums are going up for 2015. I saw nothing about 41 states having lower rates. So, eat it buddy, you're wrong.
    You continue to deflect or ignore the questions about the lies (keep your doctor, keep your plan, $2500 lower premium, etc.). Plus, who can pay a $10,000 deductible?
    I guess you didn't read the part where it states that this is the lowest rate of increase in quite sometime. Premiums will go up every year no program will stop that , it's controlling the rate of increase ... Unless you want to get a much younger nation this is unavoidable , we are an aging nation

    for people buying on their own increased by 9.9 percent in 2009, 10.8 percent in 2010, and 11.7 percent in 2011. To give you a comparison
    11-28-2014 12:20 AM
  17. palandri's Avatar
    Here's a crazy thought, make everyone pay their fair share of taxes. That's a crazy thought isn't it?

    We are suppose to have a progressive tax system, meaning the more you make, the more you pay. For some reason that seems fair to me, but maybe it seems fair to me because I am a liberal. Our current tax system starts our progressive, but then becomes regressive, meaning the more you make, the less you pay. That doesn't seem fair to me, but maybe it's because I am a liberal.

    A secretary named Debbie Bosanek pays a higher tax rate than her billionaire boss, that doesn't seem fair to me. It must be because I am a liberal.

    Swiss bank Credit Suisse helped 22,000 Americans hide $10 billion of income. That doesn't seem fair to me. If I hid income from the IRS, I would be thrown in jail. Are the 22,000 Americans who hide $10 billion of income get thrown it jail? That doesn't seem fair to me, but it must be because I am a liberal.

    I think I need to start praying to the bourgeoisie as the true deity.
    Last edited by palandri; 11-28-2014 at 01:17 AM.
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    11-28-2014 12:59 AM
  18. pappy53's Avatar
    I guess you didn't read the part where it states that this is the lowest rate of increase in quite sometime. Premiums will go up every year no program will stop that , it's controlling the rate of increase ... Unless you want to get a much younger nation this is unavoidable , we are an aging nation

    for people buying on their own increased by 9.9 percent in 2009, 10.8 percent in 2010, and 11.7 percent in 2011. To give you a comparison
    What about those lies?
    11-28-2014 03:36 AM
  19. Les74's Avatar
    He only had one scandal. Obama has had about 8 scandals. Thing is, take away Watergate, and he was a great president. Especially on foreign policy.
    Why didn't you laugh at Bill Clinton with a B? What about Monica and the others? He had his scandal too.

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    That's the most stupefying logic I've ever heard. Hey, I hear Ted Bundy was an ok guy aside from murdering all those women....
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    11-28-2014 06:05 AM
  20. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    That's the most stupefying logic I've ever heard. Hey, I hear Ted Bundy was an ok guy aside from murdering all those women....
    Apparently you don't know much about Nixon. My grading was based on accomplishments, not scandals. Had scandals been figured in, all but Reagan would have received a lower grade. Nixon got us out of Viet Nam. He actually accomplished quite a bit for our country. But Watergate will forever define his presidency and no one will remember the good things he did. History will remember Obama as the first black president and the one who nearly doubled our National Debt. Obamacare will be seen as something he forced down the throats of the American people that turned into a huge scourge on our nation. He has no real accomplishments that I can see. I guess I should change his grade to an F-.


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    11-28-2014 07:25 AM
  21. acadia11's Avatar
    Apparently you don't know much about Nixon. My grading was based on accomplishments, not scandals. Had scandals been figured in, all but Reagan would have received a lower grade. Nixon got us out of Viet Nam. He actually accomplished quite a bit for our country. But Watergate will forever define his presidency and no one will remember the good things he did. History will remember Obama as the first black president and the one who nearly doubled our National Debt. Obamacare will be seen as something he forced down the throats of the American people that turned into a huge scourge on our nation. He has no real accomplishments that I can see. I guess I should change his grade to an F-.


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    Reagan tripled the debt during his presidency you don't remember him for that now do you. Really he has no real accomplishments Obama, do I need to go through the list again. By way remember when the country hated Medicare , yeah, me neither ... I guess those senior citizen republican voters need to be fighting to get rid of it. Oh wait .... They don't they now yell how the government should keep their hands off their Medicare. Also Obama still hasn't doubled the debt.

    1) ended recession in 6 months taking office, U.S. economy has grown every quarter since June 2009, last quarter was strongest growth since 2003. Irony of the day Obamas recovery statistically has been better than Reagan, and Obamas recession was 3xs larger than reagans.



    2) got Osama



    3) saved us auto industry



    4) passed a healthcare plan that people complain about it, yet people even republicans who have an ACA PLAN, 75% overwhelmingly are happy with it



    5) highest Dow and s&p in US history



    6) has lowered the deficit every year since 2010



    7) record corporate profits



    8) got out of two deficit killing wars



    9) unemployment the lowest it's been since 2006, on target to be 4% by end of his presidency , 5%, he regained every job lost in the recession by end of 4 th year becoming a net job creator



    10) managed to succeed inspite of fierce opposition from a right who would rather derail the U.S. Than see him succeed
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    11-28-2014 07:32 AM
  22. acadia11's Avatar
    What about those lies?
    What lies. Here is the kicker the program's success isn't measured on how it was passed, it's measured whether it's worked or not.
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    11-28-2014 07:38 AM
  23. pappy53's Avatar
    What lies. Here is the kicker the program's success isn't measured on how it was passed, it's measured whether it's worked or not.
    You are pitiful. So blinded by this lying administration.
    11-28-2014 08:20 AM
  24. Scatabrain's Avatar
    #1- Ended recession? Where have you been?It's still going on. Economy is growing at slowest pace ever. NOT TRUE. NOT ENOUGH BUT THERE IS IMPROVEMENT. WE WERE IN A REALLY BAD PLACE REMEMBER? SEE GW ERA.

    #6- And has increased the debt more than ALL other presidents combined. THIS IS GW ERA. Pres doesn't spend congress does. Except war initiation. THIS WAS WHERE YOU SHOULD POINT TO GW.

    #8- Bush had already made the agreement to leave Iraq. Afghanistan? Obummer is now talking about increasing troops there. HE ALSO DECLARED VICTORY. OBAMA CALLS TROOP ORDER. YOU CANT TAKE THAT AWAY.

    #9- With a huge majority of the jobs being part-time. THIS (if even true) IS CORPORATIONS. REAGAN BUSTED UNIONS THAT REALLY STARTED THIS ROBBING PENSIONS AND DIMINISHING BENEFITS. READ ABOUT AIRLINES.

    " how the country loved him"- 39-40% approval rating does not equal love. . THE DISRESPECT FOR THE OFFICE IS EMBARRASSING AND UGLY. THANKS TEA PARTY AND LATER GOP.




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    11-28-2014 08:33 AM
  25. Scatabrain's Avatar
    You are pitiful. So blinded by this lying administration.
    Let's be civil please. This thread is actually using examples and even if nobody has any hope of changing any one else's mind at least it's been civil.


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