1. acadia11's Avatar
    You know, putting aside whether you think this was a legitimate shooting or not...who in their right mind would think walking around with this gun in a Walmart in the fashion that he did is a good idea? I would hope that most people would use common sense and understand the kind of attention this would draw, and what COULD happen if confronted with law enforcement, regardless of your opinion on their aggressiveness...

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    I don't know, someone buying it, he wasn't walking around he was picked it up off the shelf, and was **** in the aisle he found it. Remember when they shot that guy who had a similar gun in a school ! Oh wait they didn't they talked to him and he was actually trying to do harm. You figure out the difference between the two people.

    You think the cops would shoot you first or talk to you?
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    12-16-2014 12:22 PM
  2. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I never said the level interest wasnt there , I said the capital expenditure was not, because from a business standpoint its a bad investment. The cost to launch something into space is huge, so regardless of interest , from capitalism standpoint. You won't have investors.

    Elon musk invested $100 million to win the prize and contract for a prize that NASA created. And $100 million isn't remotely enough to build a spaceship. If no offer from NASA plus additional capital it create the COTS program then Leon musk wouldn't have bothered. Why wasn't there investment before NASA announced their program. NASA was the catalyst it's not like some company said hey NASA we have a great idea we spent all this money let me show you what we've done, do want to buy it.
    You make a lot of really bold assumptions as to people's interest and agendas when it comes to things that you aren't even remotely a part of. It's kind of weird...we have this guy, Elon Musk, who has invested more money than what any 100 of us on this website will ever see in our lifetimes, and you infer that it's insignificant and would have never happened had an ultimate monetary gain not been on the line. I mean if that is your opinion, that's all fine and good...but don't represent that drivel as fact.
    12-16-2014 12:28 PM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I don't know, someone buying it, he wasn't walking around he was picked it up off the shelf, and was **** in the aisle he found it. Remember when they shot that guy who had a similar gun in a school ! Oh wait they didn't they talked to him and he was actually trying to do harm. You figure out the difference between the two people.

    You think the cops would shoot you first or talk to you?
    You've got tunnel vision my friend. That is the only way I can explain this response you just made. The guy was literally walking around an entire section of Walmart with this gun that was obviously not in it's appropriate packaging...he was holding it in various positions which were NOT reflective of someone who was just ready to buy it...

    Here's the video in case you haven't watched it...

    New Video Shows John Crawford Fatally Shot By Police In Walmart

    ...a term you should familiarize yourself with is "brandishing". This is something he was doing clearly in this video...which for most common people would cause alarm or at the very least make them curious what he was doing.

    Now you've asked me to predict the future by answering if I thought the cops would shoot me or talk to me first...it's impossible for me to answer that question...they very well may shoot me on site if I was doing the same thing, or they may talk me down. I wouldn't ever be in that situation myself, so I won't ever be able to answer your question, and you can't either, though you like to imply that because I'm white, something different would happen (which is another reason why I stopped the earlier discussion we were having...and why I feel this one will be short lived as well).

    It would be impossible for a LEO to assess what kind of rifle that is in the time it takes to have someone (who is already brandishing the gun) to turn on you and start firing, leaving you dead. Police have to make significant decisions in limited time periods under stressful conditions...they made a choice to shoot him...and you feel it was because he was black, he wasn't afforded "time" to explain the situation or deescalate the scenario...and that a white person would probably experience a different scenario. That's ignorance man...pure, narrow minded, bigoted ignorance.
    12-16-2014 12:38 PM
  4. acadia11's Avatar
    You've got tunnel vision my friend. That is the only way I can explain this response you just made. The guy was literally walking around an entire section of Walmart with this gun that was obviously not in it's appropriate packaging...he was holding it in various positions which were NOT reflective of someone who was just ready to buy it...

    Here's the video in case you haven't watched it...

    New Video Shows John Crawford Fatally Shot By Police In Walmart

    ...a term you should familiarize yourself with is "brandishing". This is something he was doing clearly in this video...which for most common people would cause alarm or at the very least make them curious what he was doing.

    Now you've asked me to predict the future by answering if I thought the cops would shoot me or talk to me first...it's impossible for me to answer that question...they very well may shoot me on site if I was doing the same thing, or they may talk me down. I wouldn't ever be in that situation myself, so I won't ever be able to answer your question, and you can't either, though you like to imply that because I'm white, something different would happen (which is another reason why I stopped the earlier discussion we were having...and why I feel this one will be short lived as well).

    It would be impossible for a LEO to assess what kind of rifle that is in the time it takes to have someone (who is already brandishing the gun) to turn on you and start firing, leaving you dead. Police have to make significant decisions in limited time periods under stressful conditions...they made a choice to shoot him...and you feel it was because he was black, he wasn't afforded "time" to explain the situation or deescalate the scenario...and that a white person would probably experience a different scenario. That's ignorance man...pure, narrow minded, bigoted ignorance.
    Really brandishing?? Did you watch the video. He picks up a pellet gun from the gun section of Walmart, he's carrying it at his side, and you think if he were an Asian guy the cops would first think wow some Asian guy is in here carrying a gun to do harm? He's carrying it at his side , doesn't point it at anyone. Let's get real man it's because he was black and blackmen are by default thought to be a threat that it happened. Tunnel vision you just can't admit the biased



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    12-16-2014 12:50 PM
  5. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Did you ignore the part of the video where he was clearly brandishing the rifle and waving it all around, even when other shoppers were walking near him?

    You WANT this to be a racial thing...there's no logical discussion to be had with you. At the end of the day, if you want to refrain from getting shot by police, don't walk around a Walmart waving around a rifle that even most gun experts couldn't assess in a few seconds in such a situation.
    12-16-2014 01:03 PM
  6. acadia11's Avatar
    Did you ignore the part of the video where he was clearly brandishing the rifle and waving it all around, even when other shoppers were walking near him?

    You WANT this to be a racial thing...there's no logical discussion to be had with you. At the end of the day, if you want to refrain from getting shot by police, don't walk around a Walmart waving around a rifle that even most gun experts couldn't assess in a few seconds in such a situation.
    No I don't want it to be. I just want you to admit society isn't color blind. And blacks and whites are viewed differently.
    12-16-2014 01:50 PM
  7. acadia11's Avatar
    Did you ignore the part of the video where he was clearly brandishing the rifle and waving it all around, even when other shoppers were walking near him?

    You WANT this to be a racial thing...there's no logical discussion to be had with you. At the end of the day, if you want to refrain from getting shot by police, don't walk around a Walmart waving around a rifle that even most gun experts couldn't assess in a few seconds in such a situation.
    Thats right. Apparently, even being a police officer isnt enough to keep a young black man from getting killed by a white cop. Edwards was out of uniform on a plainclothes detail an earlier Daily News report said he was off-duty and chasing down an actual crime suspect whom hed caught breaking into a car.

    Officer Andrew Dunton saw the chase, and called out, Police! Stop! Drop it! When Edwards started to turn around but failed to drop his gun quickly enough, Dunton shot him three times. It happened on Good Friday, May 9th, 2009, and more recent incidents of excessive lethal force by police against black men proves weve learned little or nothing since then. Edwards was only 27 years old, and left behind his wife Danielle and their two young sons.
    12-16-2014 01:55 PM
  8. acadia11's Avatar
    Did you ignore the part of the video where he was clearly brandishing the rifle and waving it all around, even when other shoppers were walking near him?

    You WANT this to be a racial thing...there's no logical discussion to be had with you. At the end of the day, if you want to refrain from getting shot by police, don't walk around a Walmart waving around a rifle that even most gun experts couldn't assess in a few seconds in such a situation.
    https://news.vice.com/article/office...recording-them
    12-16-2014 01:58 PM
  9. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Really brandishing?? Did you watch the video. He picks up a pellet gun from the gun section of Walmart, he's carrying it at his side, and you think if he were an Asian guy the cops would first think wow some Asian guy is in here carrying a gun to do harm?

    Georgia man gets 20 years for Atlanta school shooting and gun battle with police
    Yes.
    12-16-2014 02:00 PM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    No I don't want it to be. I just want you to admit society isn't color blind. And blacks and whites are viewed differently.
    You view blacks and whites differently. That's your problem. You "don't want it to be"...that's like a fat guy saying he doesn't want to be fat yet he keeps up the same eating habits that got him there.
    12-16-2014 02:00 PM
  11. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Hey look! I can post news stories too...

    Salt Lake cop cleared in shooting of unarmed white man | WREG.com

    ...like I said before, if you want to view it as a racial thing, that's your problem. This kid was being resistive, disorderly and he made an action that caused the officer to make a decision. Don't want to end up shot by a cop in this scenario? Don't resist arrest and reach for your waist band when an LEO has a firearm pointed at you.
    12-16-2014 02:04 PM
  12. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Don't want to end up shot by a cop in this scenario? Don't resist arrest and reach for your waist band when an LEO has a firearm pointed at you.
    I cannot believe how stupid people are, no matter their color, when they resist arrest. You're only making things worse for yourself even if you don't end up shot. Way to add resisting arrest as another probable cause. I mentioned the same thing about the chinese lady that got arrested in that iPhone 6 line in New York in the thread that the video it was posted in a couple of months ago. I'm absolutely stunned at how much people are uninformed about this. If you feel you were wronged, you'll have your day in court. What the hell good does it do to resist arrest, let alone just follow an officer's instructions.

    The only time I even came close to being arrested was 13 years ago when I was 18 years old. And I wouldn't even call it close. I happened to be a spectator at a street race. The sheriff made me and my friend lean on his car while he searched my car for my paperwork even when I could have just done that myself lol. I was young but wasn't going to be stupid enough to resist anything. He let us go because he wasn't going to waste time. He just saw that I was young, had no record, and just wanted to put a little scare into me. I had my friend there as a witness if something stupid happened (as well as another friend who knew we were in trouble and didn't bail on us and instead kept passing by making sure things were cool). As far as I see it, I was able to rest my hands on a hot car on a cold night and ended up throwing some papers away since he made a mess of what I was too lazy to clean up anyway. How stupid would one have to be to resist any of that?
    12-16-2014 02:14 PM
  13. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    A lot of people live by the idea that if one cop falsely detained/arrested/killed someone one time...that all cops falsely detain/arrest/kill people ALL the time. It's mind numbing.

    The wonderful thing about this ignorant movement though is the fact that a major push for officer uniform cameras is becoming a real thing. All these people who think this is going to finally make officers accountable for their actions don't realize that they're actually shooting themselves in the foot, and the scenario (which is FAR more common) where someone is doing something dumb and an officer gives them a pass in hopes they change their ways will no longer happen, and every situation will become a cut and dry scenario, if the camera catches you, you're getting charged.

    I think it's also going to really help officers show these people who jump into the mob mentality that these "martyrs" they keep creating are far from such. The problem with that is the people who follow such mentalities would disregard clear evidence in their face to maintain their agenda.
    12-16-2014 02:32 PM
  14. acadia11's Avatar
    Did you ignore the part of the video where he was clearly brandishing the rifle and waving it all around, even when other shoppers were walking near him?

    You WANT this to be a racial thing...there's no logical discussion to be had with you. At the end of the day, if you want to refrain from getting shot by police, don't walk around a Walmart waving around a rifle that even most gun experts couldn't assess in a few seconds in such a situation.
    I posted the video where did he wave it at anyone or brandish it. What would have been the appropriate way to carry it? An item for purchase
    12-16-2014 02:33 PM
  15. acadia11's Avatar
    A lot of people live by the idea that if one cop falsely detained/arrested/killed someone one time...that all cops falsely detain/arrest/kill people ALL the time. It's mind numbing.
    I don't believe that at all. As I mentioned my brother is in the force. I do believe in trends , it is not to say that every case is one way or the other, just like we can't say Everyman is taller than everywoman but on average men are taller than women. And really the issue is not about cops shooting blacks, it's about how society inherently treats and views blacks. Again systematic ........
    12-16-2014 02:36 PM
  16. acadia11's Avatar
    Hey look! I can post news stories too...

    Salt Lake cop cleared in shooting of unarmed white man | WREG.com

    ...like I said before, if you want to view it as a racial thing, that's your problem. This kid was being resistive, disorderly and he made an action that caused the officer to make a decision. Don't want to end up shot by a cop in this scenario? Don't resist arrest and reach for your waist band when an LEO has a firearm pointed at you.
    Fantastic a body cam!!! And a blood alcohol level of .18, no he said . She said, but clear and irrefutable evidence. Now imagine no .18, no body cam, and only he said she said ...
    12-16-2014 02:39 PM
  17. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    I posted the video where did he wave it at anyone or brandish it. What would have been the appropriate way to carry it? An item for purchase
    When you buy a gun, especially an air rifle, a store employee--after the background check-- either carries it out to the vehicle, or puts it in its box and sees you out to your vehicle. It apparent you know nothing of the gun buying process, or anything for that matter. I've been around guns, and the buying process since I was 11 when my dad took me to a gun store and bought me my first gun.

    No he wasn't waving the gun at someone, but he stood there in the store entrance with a gun, which is very provocative. You are race baiting again.


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    12-16-2014 02:39 PM
  18. acadia11's Avatar
    When you buy a gun, especially an air rifle, a store employee--after the background check-- either carries it out to the vehicle, or puts it in its box and sees you out to your vehicle. It apparent you know nothing of the gun buying process, or anything for that matter. I've been around guns, and the buying process since I was 11 when my dad took me to a gun store and bought me my first gun.

    No he wasn't waving the gun at someone, but he stood there in the store entrance with a gun, which is very provocative. You are race baiting again.


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    Don't know never bought it owned a gun. I'm discussing race and if that is race baiting , so what , deal with it. Tough titty.
    12-16-2014 02:40 PM
  19. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Don't know never bought it owned a gun. I'm discussing race and if that is race baiting , so what deal with it.
    No, you're trying to say that because a man that happened to be black did something unimaginably stupid with a gun and got shot by officers that happened to be white, that he was killed because he was black. That is race baiting.


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    12-16-2014 02:43 PM
  20. acadia11's Avatar
    You view blacks and whites differently. That's your problem. You "don't want it to be"...that's like a fat guy saying he doesn't want to be fat yet he keeps up the same eating habits that got him there.
    Yes I do. I am as much a product of my experiences as the next, and I don't try to pretend I don't. And in discussing and at least admitting that my view can be influenced at least it can be an honest discussion.

    And I know even I show biased towards blacks, so I find it ridiculous to me that someone who has likely less interaction with blacks than I do, can pretend they are simply color blinded.
    12-16-2014 02:43 PM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I posted the video where did he wave it at anyone or brandish it. What would have been the appropriate way to carry it? An item for purchase
    Look up the definition of brandish...and understand that he was clearly doing it.

    And I never said he was waving it AT anyone, I said he was waving it around...this is not something a normal person does when buying a firearm of any kind. You know what would happen if you went into a gun shop and you did the same thing? You'd probably be tackled to the ground (since they know their firearms aren't loaded when on display) and you'd be thrown out of the building physically (while also probably getting your *** kicked for a minute or two).
    12-16-2014 02:45 PM
  22. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I don't believe that at all. As I mentioned my brother is in the force. I do believe in trends , it is not to say that every case is one way or the other, just like we can't say Everyman is taller than everywoman but on average men are taller than women. And really the issue is not about cops shooting blacks, it's about how society inherently treats and views blacks. Again systematic ........
    It's got nothing to do with how society "inherently" treats and views blacks...it has to do with you being ignorant and living a life based on your own choice to segregate people by race.
    12-16-2014 02:50 PM
  23. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    The energy people put towards "It happened because they were black" would probably be better served towards "It happened because they were stupid." Like people who reach into patrol units when an officer is confronting you.

    All I'm saying is that there are consequences for being stupid and people want to substitute stupid for black. If you're stupid, you're stupid no matter what damn color you are and you will eventually find a consequence.
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    12-16-2014 02:51 PM
  24. acadia11's Avatar
    The energy people put towards "It happened because they were black" would probably be better served towards "It happened because they were stupid." Like people who reach into patrol units when an officer is confronting you.

    All I'm saying is that there are consequences for being stupid and people want to substitute stupid for black. If you're stupid, you're stupid no matter what damn color you are and you will eventually find a consequence.
    Women walks around naked next to a bunch of drunk men, who then rape her, do the men not have culpability because they were drunk and she was flaunting it. Of course they do, honestly. This conversation will go no where until you admit this biased exists. I know as a Blackman there is isht I can't do, it is what it is, but to pretend like the world views all with equal measure is false.

    Just like the DuPont guy who roars his two kids and was told he couldn't go to prison because he couldn't survive , the average person not named DuPont would never avoid prison because a judge felt they couldn't hack it, it's the same for blacks and whites, bottom line blacks and whites are treated differently in society. And viewed differently especially in the eyes of the law.
    12-16-2014 03:05 PM
  25. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Women walks around naked next to a bunch of drunk men, who then rape her, do the men not have culpability because they were drunk and she was flaunting it. Of course they do, honestly.
    This is the anecdote you're giving me? She gets raped for being stupid. It doesn't mean I relieve the men of culpability.

    You want the cops to be culpable for doing their job. There is no comparison.
    12-16-2014 03:09 PM
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