1. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    Give me one good progressive idea?


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    Apparently not.

    To be locked into a dogma..... the result of living in the confines of someone else's thoughts and ideas is not freedom.
    12-15-2014 01:22 PM
  2. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I said give me one good progressive idea. Apparently you can't.


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    12-15-2014 01:24 PM
  3. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Apparently not.

    To be locked into a dogma..... the result of living in the confines of someone else's thoughts and ideas is not freedom.
    Such as your self.


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    12-15-2014 01:31 PM
  4. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    I said give me one good progressive idea. Apparently you can't.


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    i'll do you one better..... I support the idea of the leanest and most efficient government possible.

    See... I am flexible and not "locked" into thinking the liberalism is the end all solution to how we govern ourselves.

    Your turn......
    12-15-2014 01:35 PM
  5. pappy53's Avatar
    This "apologize" thing... is that an original thought of yours, or just something you are repeating from someone else?
    Nice deflection.


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    12-15-2014 01:37 PM
  6. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    Nice deflection.


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    Ah... so it is something you are just parroting.
    12-15-2014 01:39 PM
  7. hydrogen3's Avatar
    i'll do you one better..... I support the idea of the leanest and most efficient government possible.

    See... I am flexible and not "locked" into thinking the liberalism is the end all solution to how we govern ourselves.

    Your turn......
    No.. I want a Democratic idea worth two sh&$@ that I might support. Surley you can give me one?

    Might surprise you, I do like a few of the Democrats ideas.


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    12-15-2014 01:41 PM
  8. cmrobbins42's Avatar
    Whatever reason, they still agreed.
    They were misinformed. It's easy to get people on your side if you lie. (Lie being used in this case for saying something is fact when you haven't determined if it is fact or not.)
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    12-15-2014 01:50 PM
  9. hydrogen3's Avatar
    i'll do you one better..... I support the idea of the leanest and most efficient government possible.

    See... I am flexible and not "locked" into thinking the liberalism is the end all solution to how we govern ourselves.

    Your turn......
    Ok how about this.

    Restore wilderness and watersheds for generations to come.

    That was the Democratic party's top idea in 2012.

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    12-15-2014 01:50 PM
  10. cmrobbins42's Avatar
    Ok how about this.

    Restore wilderness and watersheds for generations to come.


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    Woop. Campaign point number 1 for the Obvious Party.

    Added After the Fact:
    That was the Democratic party's top idea in 2012.
    Source?

    If true, at least they care (definitely not top priority tho..)
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    12-15-2014 01:52 PM
  11. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Look up


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    12-15-2014 01:52 PM
  12. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    Ok how about this.

    Restore wilderness and watersheds for generations to come.

    That was the Democratic party's top idea in 2012.

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    Thanks... common ground.
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    12-15-2014 01:53 PM
  13. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    I also support death by belt-sander (40 grit) to the ISIS beheading executioner.
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    12-15-2014 01:54 PM
  14. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Woop. Campaign point number 1 for the Obvious Party.

    Added After the Fact:


    Source?

    If true, at least they care.
    Democratic Party on the Issues
    12-15-2014 01:59 PM
  15. cmrobbins42's Avatar
    Yeah, I see it at the top of the list for Environmental Issues. Your "top idea" doesn't give the full picture though I suppose that is fair game when it comes to politics.
    12-15-2014 02:02 PM
  16. A895's Avatar
    I laughed when someone said before the economic collapse he had a good 7 years, lol. Hurricane Katrina, FEMA, 2 Wars, govt overreach into personal.lives with the Patriot Act and the shoe throwing incident combined don't add up to a "good" 7 years.

    Then when his term comes to a close the recessions hits, then you have President Obama pull us out of those wars, fix the economy, other countries love him, he is the most tech savvy president yet and actively engages the youth, dedicated to reforming the NSA, and CIA, and is an all around good guy.

    Best President we have had for a LONG time. Quite honestly, objectively the next person in office has big shoes to fill.

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    12-15-2014 02:18 PM
  17. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I laughed when someone said before the economic collapse he had a good 7 years, lol. Hurricane Katrina, FEMA, 2 Wars, govt overreach into personal.lives with the Patriot Act and the shoe throwing incident combined don't add up to a "good" 7 years.

    Then when his term comes to a close the recessions hits, then you have President Obama pull us out of those wars, fix the economy, other countries love him, he is the most tech savvy president yet and actively engages the youth, dedicated to reforming the NSA, and CIA, and is an all around good guy.

    Best President we have had for a LONG time. Quite honestly, objectively the next person in office has big shoes to fill.

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    Drinking the kool aid again I see.

    Chuckles I say chuckles.


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    12-15-2014 02:23 PM
  18. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I laughed when someone said before the economic collapse he had a good 7 years, lol. Hurricane Katrina, FEMA, 2 Wars, govt overreach into personal.lives with the Patriot Act and the shoe throwing incident combined don't add up to a "good" 7 years.

    Then when his term comes to a close the recessions hits, then you have President Obama pull us out of those wars, fix the economy, other countries love him, he is the most tech savvy president yet and actively engages the youth, dedicated to reforming the NSA, and CIA, and is an all around good guy.

    Best President we have had for a LONG time. Quite honestly, objectively the next person in office has big shoes to fill.

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    I didn't know you were allowed two accounts. Acadia11 I know that's you.


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    12-15-2014 02:35 PM
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    Then when his term comes to a close the recessions hits, then you have President Obama pull us out of those wars, fix the economy, other countries love him, he is the most tech savvy president yet and actively engages the youth, dedicated to reforming the NSA, and CIA, and is an all around good guy.
    I personally feel all of the presidents are just faces to put on a government...but a few of your points stood out as pretty hilariously misrepresented as things Obama has done...

    1.) "Fix the economy" - No quite...actually...not at all. Economy is not fixed, and probably never will be.

    2.) "Most tech savvy president" - Look at the time frame that he was the president, and then look at the kind of technological advances society has made. Makes it kind of obvious that a president within this time frame would reflect this, regardless of who they were. When Bush was in office, we were still staring down the glittery barrel of MySpace...when Clinton was in office we were still using pagers.

    3.) "Actively engages youth" - All presidents actively engage youth. Hell, Bush was at a "Book It!" event when 9/11 happened, so I'm not sure why you think this is something any one president has done better or worse.

    4.) "Pull us out of those wars" - How about "reduced the number of troops in those wars", because they're still over there.

    5.) Reforming NSA and CIA - The CIA probably laughed when they read that comment you just made...and the NSA has grown larger and more encompassing through Obama's administration, but not over any fault of his own...comes with the way our society is moving combined with technologies reach into individuals lives and the abilities that come from such.

    6.) "All around good guy" - I actually got to meet the president 2 years ago when he visited the CDC here in Atlanta. He was a very nice man and treated all of us with honor and respect. I also got to meet Bush, and he was exactly the same.

    ...Lastly..."Other countries love him". This one stood out to me as a little bit silly, but also quite true. Silly because he garners respect and love from people who are also just "faces", putting up an identifiable person to represent "x". With that though comes a new representation of the country from opinions no more or less useful than our own...the ones that think our country is soft and vulnerable now given how likable the president is. It's really silly because it really doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but it is true, a lot of foreign leadership faces like Obama, for whatever that's worth. I think I'd trade that for a more meaningful opinion of strength and leadership, but I'm not sure that is possible anymore, the way things go.
    12-15-2014 02:38 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    Drinking the kool aid again I see.

    Chuckles I say chuckles.


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    Kool Aid is red, so...

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    12-15-2014 02:39 PM
  21. A895's Avatar
    I didn't know you were allowed two accounts. Acadia11 I know that's you.


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    Uhmm, been a member here for over 2 years so....

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    12-15-2014 02:40 PM
  22. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Kool Aid is red, so...

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    Makes no sense.


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    12-15-2014 02:43 PM
  23. A895's Avatar
    I personally feel all of the presidents are just faces to put on a government...but a few of your points stood out as pretty hilariously misrepresented as things Obama has done...

    1.) "Fix the economy" - No quite...actually...not at all. Economy is not fixed, and probably never will be.

    2.) "Most tech savvy president" - Look at the time frame that he was the president, and then look at the kind of technological advances society has made. Makes it kind of obvious that a president within this time frame would reflect this, regardless of who they were. When Bush was in office, we were still staring down the glittery barrel of MySpace...when Clinton was in office we were still using pagers.

    3.) "Actively engages youth" - All presidents actively engage youth. Hell, Bush was at a "Book It!" event when 9/11 happened, so I'm not sure why you think this is something any one president has done better or worse.

    4.) "Pull us out of those wars" - How about "reduced the number of troops in those wars", because they're still over there.

    5.) Reforming NSA and CIA - The CIA probably laughed when they read that comment you just made...and the NSA has grown larger and more encompassing through Obama's administration, but not over any fault of his own...comes with the way our society is moving combined with technologies reach into individuals lives and the abilities that come from such.

    6.) "All around good guy" - I actually got to meet the president 2 years ago when he visited the CDC here in Atlanta. He was a very nice man and treated all of us with honor and respect. I also got to meet Bush, and he was exactly the same.

    ...Lastly..."Other countries love him". This one stood out to me as a little bit silly, but also quite true. Silly because he garners respect and love from people who are also just "faces", putting up an identifiable person to represent "x". With that though comes a new representation of the country from opinions no more or less useful than our own...the ones that think our country is soft and vulnerable now given how likable the president is. It's really silly because it really doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but it is true, a lot of foreign leadership faces like Obama, for whatever that's worth. I think I'd trade that for a more meaningful opinion of strength and leadership, but I'm not sure that is possible anymore, the way things go.
    The NSA and CIA over each came from bills from the Patriot Act and Bush was in office at the time.

    As for the economy, how is it not better than it was?

    And finally for the wars, he did pull us out of those wars. We are not in conflict with Afghanistan or Iraq anymore. The majority of the troops over there now are noncombat people.

    And he is very tech savvy, he gave an iPod to the Queen, remember?

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    12-15-2014 02:44 PM
  24. acadia11's Avatar
    I personally feel all of the presidents are just faces to put on a government...but a few of your points stood out as pretty hilariously misrepresented as things Obama has done...

    1.) "Fix the economy" - No quite...actually...not at all. Economy is not fixed, and probably never will be.

    2.) "Most tech savvy president" - Look at the time frame that he was the president, and then look at the kind of technological advances society has made. Makes it kind of obvious that a president within this time frame would reflect this, regardless of who they were. When Bush was in office, we were still staring down the glittery barrel of MySpace...when Clinton was in office we were still using pagers.

    3.) "Actively engages youth" - All presidents actively engage youth. Hell, Bush was at a "Book It!" event when 9/11 happened, so I'm not sure why you think this is something any one president has done better or worse.

    4.) "Pull us out of those wars" - How about "reduced the number of troops in those wars", because they're still over there.

    5.) Reforming NSA and CIA - The CIA probably laughed when they read that comment you just made...and the NSA has grown larger and more encompassing through Obama's administration, but not over any fault of his own...comes with the way our society is moving combined with technologies reach into individuals lives and the abilities that come from such.

    6.) "All around good guy" - I actually got to meet the president 2 years ago when he visited the CDC here in Atlanta. He was a very nice man and treated all of us with honor and respect. I also got to meet Bush, and he was exactly the same.

    ...Lastly..."Other countries love him". This one stood out to me as a little bit silly, but also quite true. Silly because he garners respect and love from people who are also just "faces", putting up an identifiable person to represent "x". With that though comes a new representation of the country from opinions no more or less useful than our own...the ones that think our country is soft and vulnerable now given how likable the president is. It's really silly because it really doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but it is true, a lot of foreign leadership faces like Obama, for whatever that's worth. I think I'd trade that for a more meaningful opinion of strength and leadership, but I'm not sure that is possible anymore, the way things go.
    1) is it better than or worse than when he took office? Did Reagan fix the U.S. Economy when he was in office? What is your definition of fixed. Every other president has been measured in is it better than when they received it.

    2) tech savvy is his ability to utilize advanced metrics and social networks to solve problems, you should the number of mathematicians and computer scientist working on his campaign. I know this because my friend and I both worked in the campaign, he writing some of the high tech voter mapping software. His election program was a machine, far more advanced than anything before it, it's his ability to use technology to solve problems that makes him tech savvy.

    3) all presidents do not actively engage the youth, that's a ridiculous claim, Obama on this is much better, note the ability to raise so much money from youth contributors . Look man you give this man no credit ever and that's just ridiculous.

    The rest are opinion comments of the poster as they are opinions not much I can prove or disprove , except for the troops, Iraq we were completely out , Afghanistan reduced numbers, Obama switching to a precision war, as opposed to total war, using drones , spec ops, advisors , etc ... There by getting results with limited engagement reducing cost and lives lost. A scalpel vs a sword and this IMHO is way you must deal with 21st century threats not named Russia or China.

    One more comment , what is the size of the CIA and NsA today? And dealing with threats we have today why would smaller be better. Just dealing with today's government cyber attackers would increase the size of these agencies. Finally, overall in terms of jobs the government has actually shrunk under Obama and pay freeze has been in place since 2012.
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    12-15-2014 02:52 PM
  25. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Utopianism also finds a receptive audience among societies disenchanted, disaffected, dissatisfied, and maladjusted who are unable to assume responsibility for their own real or perceived conditions but instead blame their surroundings, the system and others.

    Kind of like you blaming Bush when the blame rest with Obama.


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    12-15-2014 02:53 PM
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