ObamaCare architect admits 'lack of transparency' strategy

[acadia11]

Uhm the founders didn't believe the government was a separate creation from we the people. Stop rewriting history, somehow it's been lost on conservatives that you , the people, are the government. It's supposed to be a representation of the will of the people , representative government. Unless I missed what the Boston tea party was all about.


Also, the debate has never been more or less government. The debate has always been centralized vs localized governments. Finally, the conservative movement as a party started In the mid 1800's and it certainly has little relation to the GOP of today.


And to the comment on architecting the AcA, Obamacare. Aka AcA, was a republican idea from the 90s, created out of the conservative lobby of the heritage foundation and championed by Bob Dole, as a foil to clintoncare, ironically when endorsed by Obama it became an issue. Because the last 6 years have had little to do with policy opposition but opposing Obama as apolitical strategy because if he is successful and he has been it makes far more difficult for the GOP to regain power after the 2008 sweeping referendum against the GOP. So let's cut the B S.

 

[Les74]

Uhm the founders didn't believe the government was a separate creation from we the people. Stop rewriting history, somehow it's been lost on conservatives that you , the people, are the government. It's supposed to be a representation of the will of the people , representative government. Unless I missed what the Boston tea party was all about.


Also, the debate has never been more or less government. The debate has always been centralized vs localized governments. Finally, the conservative movement as a party started In the mid 1800's and it certainly has little relation to the GOP of today.


And to the comment on architecting the AcA, Obamacare. Aka AcA, was a republican idea from the 90s, created out of the conservative lobby of the heritage foundation and championed by Bob Dole, as a foil to clintoncare, ironically when endorsed by Obama it became an issue. Because the last 6 years have had little to do with policy opposition but opposing Obama as apolitical strategy because if he is successful and he has been it makes far more difficult for the GOP to regain power after the 2008 sweeping referendum against the GOP. So let's cut the B S.

Well, there ya go trying to add common sense to the equation. Watch where this goes....

 

[hydrogen3]

Uhm the founders didn't believe the government was a separate creation from we the people. Stop rewriting history, somehow it's been lost on conservatives that you , the people, are the government. It's supposed to be a representation of the will of the people , representative government. Unless I missed what the Boston tea party was all about.


Also, the debate has never been more or less government. The debate has always been centralized vs localized governments. Finally, the conservative movement as a party started In the mid 1800's and it certainly has little relation to the GOP of today.


And to the comment on architecting the AcA, Obamacare. Aka AcA, was a republican idea from the 90s, created out of the conservative lobby of the heritage foundation and championed by Bob Dole, as a foil to clintoncare, ironically when endorsed by Obama it became an issue. Because the last 6 years have had little to do with policy opposition but opposing Obama as apolitical strategy because if he is successful and he has been it makes far more difficult for the GOP to regain power after the 2008 sweeping referendum against the GOP. So let's cut the B S.

Chuckles........ Looks like someone failed there Civic class.

1. Its individual liberty.

2. Centralized Government. Is Communism.

3. Obamacare is a redistribution of wealth. Government democrat or republican has no Constitutional authority to mandate that you purchase any thing let alone health care.

 

[acadia11]

Chuckles........ Looks like someone failed there Civic class.

1. Its individual liberty.

2. Centralized Government. Is Communism.

3. Obamacare is a redistribution of wealth. Government democrat or republican ha no Constitutional authority to mandate that you purchase any thing let alone health care.

Wow ignorance is not bliss it's ignorance.

1) who is questioning individual liberty, again the whole point of representative government is so the will of individual voices are taken into consideration, what I find ironic is these rights are in fact only enforceable because they are written into government law. So what's your point?

2) centralized government is not communism. Communism is a political , planned economic and social system but i think you are not at all knowledgeable in this matter or fit to speak on it, If you think what makes a country communist is whether it has a centralized government or not. Again, the debate in the US has never been about whether one had liberty or not , or the size of government, it's centralized vs localized (states) government , who makes the rules of governance. Because the nation is not monolithic and where one law might make sense it might make sense somewhere else, for example living in the wilderness of Alaska gun ownership is likely a must, where is living in the big city of New York , gun ownership probably makes more sense to be curbed. Local vs central and creating the balance between the two that's the debate not whether we should have laws or not, which is what some conservatives are obtusficating...PS communism didn't even exist as a political movement when the nation was founded so I'm thoroughly confused as how it even plays into the discussion to further emphasize how asinine your statement.

3) OBamacare again was a republican idea, being the argument that people should be responsible for their healthcare and not expect the state to pick up the tab, the mandate is GOP idea , again the debate changed when Obama endorsed this idea. Remember even as recent as the 2008 political debates Obama said he didn't endorse a mandate, the GOP did. This just to further emphasize that the GOP political strategy has absolutely nothing to do with policy but opposition. Why are we even arguing about this, this is something that the GOP has openly stated. From the day Obama was elected, I'll prove it to you, when you watch no bills come up to repeal Obamacare now the GOP owns congress, much like most seniors vote GOP but you never hear them say I don't want this government Medicare.

One sociologist put it best the US is conservative in principle but liberal in practice, we want to complain about government but then want all the things government provides.

 

[ItnStln]

Wow ignorance is not bliss it's ignorance.

What is it with you libs and bashing?

 

[hydrogen3]

Wow ignorance is not bliss it's ignorance.

1) who is questioning individual liberty, again the whole point of representative government is so the will of individual voices are taken into consideration, what I find ironic is these rights are in fact only enforceable because they are written into government law. So what's your point?

2) centralized government is not communism. Communism is a political , planned economic and social system but i think you are not at all knowledgeable in this matter or fit to speak on it, If you think what makes a country communist is whether it has a centralized government or not. Again, the debate in the US has never been about whether one had liberty or not , or the size of government, it's centralized vs localized (states) government , who makes the rules of governance. Because the nation is not monolithic and where one law might make sense it might make sense somewhere else, for example living in the wilderness of Alaska gun ownership is likely a must, where is living in the big city of New York , gun ownership probably makes more sense to be curbed. Local vs central and creating the balance between the two that's the debate not whether we should have laws or not, which is what some conservatives are obtusficating...PS communism didn't even exist as a political movement when the nation was founded so I'm thoroughly confused as how it even plays into the discussion to further emphasize how asinine your statement.

3) OBamacare again was a republican idea, being the argument that people should be responsible for their healthcare and not expect the state to pick up the tab, the mandate is GOP idea , again the debate changed when Obama endorsed this idea. Remember even as recent as the 2008 political debates Obama said he didn't endorse a mandate, the GOP did. This just to further emphasize that the GOP political strategy has absolutely nothing to do with policy but opposition. Why are we even arguing about this, this is something that the GOP has openly stated. From the day Obama was elected, I'll prove it to you, when you watch no bills come up to repeal Obamacare now the GOP owns congress, much like most seniors vote GOP but you never hear them say I don't want this government Medicare.

One sociologist put it best the US is conservative in principle but liberal in practice, we want to complain about government but then want all the things government provides.

What's not outlined in The Constitution is left to the States. Taking the right away for a state to govern it self and giving that authority to a centralized government is the very definition of communism.

Every American has the right to dear arms....

 

[hydrogen3]

What is it with you libs and bashing?

Bashing is the only thing they have. They have no facts only Libertarian pixie dust.

 

[ItnStln]

Bashing is the only thing they have. They have no facts only Libertarian pixie dust.

That is true!

 

[hydrogen3]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...are-architect-disparaging-voter-intelligence/

Chuckles.

 

[Les74]

Chuckles........ Looks like someone failed there Civic class.

Chuckles...... Looks like someone failed THEIR English class as well.

 

[acadia11]

What's not outlined in The Constitution is left to the States. Taking the right away for a state to govern it self and giving that authority to a centralized government is the very definition of communism.

Every American has the right to dear arms....

No it is not, at all the definition of communism, it has nothing to do with whether the power is in the states hand or the federal governments hands. At all. Come on man, please go read a book on what defines a country as communist.

Even if you knew nothing about communism do a simple thought experiment , and you will see why your definition couldn't possibly make sense . What if a country has no states and is small enough to be governed under one central government, then by your definition it would be communist. Is Barbados communist?

This is the fundamental problem I have with these type of discussions many people don't even stop to think about whether what say makes anytype of sense at all.

 

[palandri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

 

[Gator352]

No it is not, at all the definition of communism, it has nothing to do with whether the power is in the states hand or the federal governments hands. At all. Come on man, please go read a book on what defines a country as communist.

Even if you knew nothing about communism do a simple thought experiment , and you will see why your definition couldn't possibly make sense . What if a country has no states and is small enough to be governed under one central government, then by your definition it would be communist. Is Barbados communist?

This is the fundamental problem I have with these type of discussions many people don't even stop to think about whether what say makes anytype of sense at all.

Communism is where everything is owned in common rather than by individuals. In theory and practice, it was introduced to keep everyone on the same level playing field. But then you have China. The citizens do what they are told or they the get the heavy handedness of the government, such as being thrown in prison. They have no protesting rights, free speech, right to bear arms, right to...well...pretty much nothing unless the government says it's OK. Russia was like this until the end of the cold war, now under Putin, it's headed right back that way.

Conservatives want US to be responsible for ourselves. Hence, smaller government and less regulation. Most people don't want to be on government entitlements but the liberals make it hard for most to be independent. Give you this, give you that, moms can stay home because they now can have health care, blah blah blah. Alexander Hamilton said it best...."When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end ."

Lets not forget, the U.S. is not a true democracy. We are a republic with democratic values and conservative practice. Until the ACA, this was primarily true but we are headed for a centralized government with socialistic regulation. Next stop....communism.

 

[Les74]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

This is brilliant!!!

 

[hydrogen3]

This is brilliant!!!

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning ...

 

[hydrogen3]

This is what happens when you believe the Federal Government is going to help you..

Chuckles...

 

[Les74]

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning ...

And what's your point?

 

[hydrogen3]

And what's your point?

What's the point you are trying to make with the video posting??

 

[hydrogen3]

What if a country has no states and is small enough to be governed under one central government, then by your definition it would be communist. Is Barbados communist?

The Workers Party of Barbados was a Marxist political party in Barbados. The party was established in 1985 by George Belle.

 

[Les74]

What's the point you are trying to make with the video posting??

I appreciate you avoiding the question.

The video proves the idiocy of the Tea Party. What a stupid, stupid name, by the way.