1. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    socialism...a way of organizing a society in which major industries (health care) are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.. aka Obamacare...
    Then how in the he77 do you explain that I had Blue Cross Blue Shield before Obamacare, and I still have Blue Cross Blue Shield NOW?

    Maybe ...... because I have an unemployed, ebola carrying illegal immigrant, muslim friend who secretly runs the United Nations and they made arraignments for me to keep my insurance?

    Could that be why?
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    10-15-2014 10:24 AM
  2. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Then how in the he77 do you explain that I had Blue Cross Blue Shield before Obamacare, and I still have Blue Cross Blue Shield NOW?

    Maybe ...... because I have an unemployed, ebola carrying illegal immigrant, muslim friend who secretly runs the United Nations and they made arraignments for me to keep my insurance?

    Could that be why?
    You probably work for the Gov. Millions of retired people Health insurance changed with Obamacare." If you like your plan you can keep your plan." Lie after lie after lie.

    What makes anyone think that a community organizer, who has little or no real world experience that wasn’t touched by privilege, can faithfully and adequately govern America?
    10-15-2014 10:53 AM
  3. A895's Avatar
    socialism...a way of organizing a society in which major industries (health care) are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.. aka Obamacare...
    Affordable Care Act isn't government run, government facilitated if anything. You still get matched up with private insurance agencies and doctors. What's the issue?

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    10-15-2014 11:09 AM
  4. A895's Avatar
    You probably work for the Gov. Millions of retired people Health insurance changed with Obamacare." If you like your plan you can keep your plan." Lie after lie after lie.

    What makes anyone think that a community organizer, who has little or no real world experience that wasnt touched by privilege, can faithfully and adequately govern America?
    That discounts most presidents in history. There were very few presidents who came from nothing to become president. Andrew Jackson was one and he was an *******, but he was effective and a bit crazy.

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    10-15-2014 11:11 AM
  5. Amamba's Avatar
    I traveled a lot and lived outside of US for a while, so I have a basic idea of how it's done in some other countries. I believe a properly done universal health insurance (a combination of a basic tax funded plan and privately purchased add-ons) could actually work well. We don't have the best medical care in the US, it's good but not the very best and it's the most expensive in the world, by a large margin. We already have a socialized (taxpayer funded) army, socialized (taxpayer funded) police, socialized (taxpayer funded) schools, socialized (taxpayer funded) highways, I have no problem with having the properly set up taxpayer funded basic health insurance. Socialized does not equal Socialism. But Obamacare is anything but properly set up. It's a cluster muck.

    At the heart of any gov't sponsored insurance is cost control. When you are the biggest buyer, you should be getting volume discounts. Just ask Walmart. Or look at the cost of prescription drugs in Canada. And a basic gov't sponsored insurance plan would keep a cost check on the price of add-ons. The biggest problem with Obamacare is that it's forcing everyone, by law, to buy insurance, while expressly prohibiting the government from regulating costs. It's a set up for massive rip offs. And the way Obama did it, the real costs won't kick in until government subsidies run out - when his successor will be in the office. Obamacare is a train wreck, everything was done backwards. It has not really exploded in our faces just yet, but it will. At least Medicare Part D that Bush pushed through is not mandatory.

    If you want to see a well working national insurance plan, look at Switzerland (all insurance is private, but with very strict cost control and coverage standards set by the gov't) or Israel (a basic health insurance with private add-ons). Both countries have better health systems than we do.
    10-15-2014 11:41 AM
  6. hydrogen3's Avatar
    What happens when we combine political correctness, an open-borders mentality, governmental incompetence, and the Ebola virus? Anyone!?! I think we’re about to find out. God I hope I'm wrong...
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    10-15-2014 12:24 PM
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    10-15-2014 12:33 PM
  8. Amamba's Avatar
    What happens when we combine political correctness, an open-borders mentality, governmental incompetence, and the Ebola virus? Anyone!?! I think we’re about to find out. God I hope I'm wrong...
    The problem is, people lie, if someone is determined to go to States and they come from a country that's on the restricted list, they could fly to say Germany on one airline, cross into the Netherlands, stay a couple of days and fly from the Netherlands on another airline. If that person has a US or EU passport, how do you know that they even were in West Africa ? You'd need to do some major international crosschecks, or just stop air travel altogether. Yes, I think they should temporarily restrict travel to and from some countries, but this would not prevent infection, just perhaps dampen the initial rate.
    10-15-2014 03:16 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    What happens when we combine political correctness, an open-borders mentality, governmental incompetence, and the Ebola virus? Anyone!?!
    You get the 21st century, welcome to America.

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    10-15-2014 04:23 PM
  10. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Glenn Beck on the O'Reilly factor discussing Ebola.
    10-15-2014 08:15 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    What that person is proposing is that we put America above every other country, but the issue is if we cutoff travel to and from West Africa, you only hurt more than help. I can see doing that if it is an epidemic, but for now it is barely getting here as is. I mean every case of Ebola so far is being contained,what is the issue, or if this Fox fear-mongering people? And the comments on that article are disgusting, someone actually had the nerve to type a death threat to Obama.
    10-16-2014 01:08 PM
  12. hydrogen3's Avatar
    What that person is proposing is that we put America above every other country, but the issue is if we cutoff travel to and from West Africa, you only hurt more than help. I can see doing that if it is an epidemic, but for now it is barely getting here as is. I mean every case of Ebola so far is being contained,what is the issue, or if this Fox fear-mongering people? And the comments on that article are disgusting, someone actually had the nerve to type a death threat to Obama.
    Fortunately, Bill O’Reilly is here to make sure we all know The Truth.
    Last edited by hydrogen3; 10-16-2014 at 01:42 PM.
    10-16-2014 01:21 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    Yeah, like I will take points from a guy who yells to get a nonsense point across. I read the article anyways and he is proposing suspending visas when that isn't even necessary, I can see screening people from that area, but suspending visas is too much.

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    10-16-2014 06:52 PM
  14. Les74's Avatar
    And I thought the stuff you posted about Glenn Beck was funny. If you're going to try to make a case, you might want to go with someone with at least an ounce of credibility.
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    10-16-2014 07:48 PM
  15. Maladroit23's Avatar
    God I hope I'm wrong...
    Your prayer has been answered.
    10-16-2014 08:13 PM
  16. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Your prayer has been answered.
    Indeed....because there's another case reported.. Yeah...Don't think so my friend..
    10-17-2014 08:14 AM
  17. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Question: who would you listen to?

    Al Gore (told that lie about Global warming)

    Alan Colmes? (who screams also)

    Michael Jackson? (who had a show for 35 years at KABC in Los Angeles.) Perhaps Thom Hartmann?

    You down the Conservative talk radio and tv hosts. But offer no progressives in return...
    10-17-2014 08:22 AM
  18. A895's Avatar
    Question: who would you listen to?

    Al Gore (told that lie about Global warming)

    Alan Colmes? (who screams also)

    Michael Jackson? (who had a show for 35 years at KABC in Los Angeles.) Perhaps Thom Hartmann?

    You down the Conservative talk radio and tv hosts. But offer no progressives in return...
    I don't listen to any political show, I take a look at information itself and draw my own conclusions. I used to watch CNN , but they are the greatest fear mongers, and manipulated media organization this side of Fox.

    Oh, matter of fact I do enjoy The Daily Show and the Colbert Report. Have you seen the Bill O'Reilly interview with John Stewart? He gets O'Reilly to admit there is white privilege.

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    10-17-2014 08:56 AM
  19. kch50428's Avatar
    Feel safer? Obama (IL, Party of Science) just picked an ‘Ebola czar’ with no medical or health care experience | Twitchy

    I feel so much more secure now that a political HACK who is a lawyer, not a doctor is Ebola Czar...
    10-17-2014 01:10 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    Feel safer? Obama (IL, Party of Science) just picked an ‘Ebola czar’ with no medical or health care experience | Twitchy

    I feel so much more secure now that a political HACK who is a lawyer, not a doctor is Ebola Czar...
    The Ebola response involves various arms of the Department of Health and Human Services (particularly, though not solely, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), the Pentagon, the State Department, the National Security Council, the World Bank, the World Health Organization, President Obama's office, private stakeholders, and many, many more.

    The "czar" position requires someone who knows how these different agencies and institutions work, who's got the stature to corral their efforts, who knows who to call when something unusual is needed, who can keep the policy straight.
    Ron Klain is a great choice for Ebola czar - Vox
    10-17-2014 01:29 PM
  21. kch50428's Avatar
    Of course Vox is gonna say what they say - they're even more in the tank for the administration than MSNBC is.
    10-17-2014 01:31 PM
  22. Amamba's Avatar
    He needs to have a sense of urgency, quick reaction, not be afraid to make tough decisions, and a strong personality to make people do what needs to be done and hold them responsible and accountable.

    A military doctor, perhaps.

    A lawyer does seem like a dubious choice, although the head of CDC is a doctor and look how utterly useless he's been.

    The problem with a disease like Ebola is that it spreads exponentially. One person now made at least 3 people sick, and only God knows how many are a walking ticking bomb. The US hospitals are unprepared, the training is lax and confusing and not based on actual conditions at the particular hospital (a friend's wife is a nurse, she attended Ebola training at her hospital where they were instructed how to use protective equipment - except that the hospital she worked in had different type of equipment that didn't function that way; when she raised that issue the person in charge of the training got extremely irritated and basically ignored her completely.

    I am amazed, absolutely amazed at the fact that CDC did not send a team down to Texas the moment the first US infection was reported. Imagine that they find a terrorist nuclear explosive device somewhere in Ohio and leave it up to the local PD to disarm it. The CDC chief should be fir
    10-17-2014 01:40 PM
  23. hydrogen3's Avatar
    10-17-2014 02:01 PM
  24. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Of course Vox is gonna say what they say - they're even more in the tank for the administration than MSNBC is.
    What's funny is MSNBC is the least watch cable news network....
    10-17-2014 02:02 PM
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