1. A895's Avatar
    Me? Condescending? How am I condescending? Have you even read anything that I wrote?
    Why come down on hydrogen3? Why not A895 who starts the arguments with his posts? That's right, you're probably a liberal too.
    Starts the argument? Are you serious? Is there any way you can have a conversation without blaming someone else for nothing? And then you end by calling someone a "liberal" like it is an insult. What is your problem?
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    11-21-2014 03:14 PM
  2. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Case in point. It appears you are stuck in a name calling rut. Can it, already. If you want to have a mature discussion have at it but that won't happen while you behave like you have been.
    Obviously you have not read the entire thread..... Others in this thread have been demeaning....

    There response to every question is. Your uneducated or your point if view is from faux news.

    Read an entire thread before commenting
    11-21-2014 03:43 PM
  3. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Starts the argument? Are you serious? Is there any way you can have a conversation without blaming someone else for nothing? And then you end by calling someone a "liberal" like it is an insult. What is your problem?
    Very serious. You start every tirade in this thread.
    11-21-2014 03:49 PM
  4. cmrobbins42's Avatar
    Obviously you have not read the entire thread..... Others in this thread have been demeaning....

    There response to every question is. Your uneducated or your point if view is from faux news.

    Read an entire thread before commenting
    And your response to everything is basically the opposite.

    It is hypocritical to call someone out for doing the same things you do.
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    11-21-2014 03:55 PM
  5. ItnStln's Avatar
    I DID. I responded to hydrogen. You are the one who assumed you were involved (and it wasn't you I was referencing FYI). But the fact you assumed I meant you kind of tells me something...as for A865, a good chunk of the time he's been defending himself.

    I love how you claim to not put words into people's mouths and then turn around and declare what my ideology is because, why? I pointed out the arrogance and condescension in the thread replies?

    Good lord.
    I never assumed I was involved, in fact I knew I was not involved. I was just making an observation. And what words did I put in your mouth? Do you even read my posts? Obviously not!
    In case you missed it? I DIDNT QUOTE YOU.

    Attachment 71961

    And yet you demand to know why I'm not 'coming down on hydrogen' when that's exactly who I addressed before you rode in on your white steed of righteousness.
    You obviously didn't read my posts. My steed of righteousness? Please you just don't like when someone disagrees with your uneducated posts.
    11-21-2014 06:43 PM
  6. ItnStln's Avatar
    Starts the argument? Are you serious? Is there any way you can have a conversation without blaming someone else for nothing? And then you end by calling someone a "liberal" like it is an insult. What is your problem?
    Yes I'm serious. In another thread you, in more words, called all White people racist. I have no problem. You're the one who's either too afraid or too ashamed to admit you're a liberal.

    Obviously you have not read the entire thread..... Others in this thread have been demeaning....

    There response to every question is. Your uneducated or your point if view is from faux news.

    Read an entire thread before commenting
    Word!

    Very serious. You start every tirade in this thread.
    Yup!
    11-21-2014 06:46 PM
  7. ItnStln's Avatar
    A respectful moderation team would also send them on a little vacation for failing to follow forum rules for the past 5 or 6 pages of this thread.
    Way to go with the mod bashing. For the record what rules are hydrogen3 and myself not following? I know that conservatives and liberals are held to different standards, but still.



    I'll await being called a clown, liberal, and any other tired, unintelligent reply.
    I'm not afraid to call someone what they are. Your accusing conservatives of not following the forum rules is unintelligent though.
    11-21-2014 06:50 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    Yes I'm serious.
    I unfortunately can't possibly fathom that you are in fact typing these things with a straight face.

    In another thread you, in more words, called all White people racist.
    Lol, no I know you aren't serious because I said nothing akin to that.


    I have no problem. You're the one who's either too afraid or too ashamed to admit you're a liberal.
    Why do you think being liberal is an insult because you and hydrogen keep trying to call me and others "liberals" as if it is a slur or something, even though no one has said they are in fact liberals.
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    11-21-2014 06:55 PM
  9. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Wait for it....,..circus music......bring in the clown's.....
    11-21-2014 07:13 PM
  10. taz323's Avatar
    Friendly reminder folks.........

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    Be understanding and patient. You may be a power user or developer, but the person you’re talking to on the other end may be a complete newbie. Be patient, and provide all details possible if you’re posting about a problem (descriptive thread title always helps).
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    11-21-2014 07:23 PM
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    Friendly reminder folks.........

    P.U.P.P.A.H
    (Be Polite, Understanding, Patient, Professional, Attentive and Helpful)

    Be polite. We ask that you keep your language clean and polite.
    Be understanding and patient. You may be a power user or developer, but the person youre talking to on the other end may be a complete newbie. Be patient, and provide all details possible if youre posting about a problem (descriptive thread title always helps).
    Be a pro. Dont get into arguments over dumb things. If someone responds in a poor or rude fashion, ignore it. If you notice a pattern of rude or poor behavior from a particular member, report them to our moderators. If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. In a nutshell, think before you post.
    Be attentive and helpful. Answer questions in a timely manner when you can, and provide thoughts and suggestions that might lead to the solution of a members problem.
    Thank you. Because the clown cracks are ridiculous.

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    11-21-2014 07:37 PM
  12. ItnStln's Avatar
    Friendly reminder folks.........

    P.U.P.P.A.H
    (Be Polite, Understanding, Patient, Professional, Attentive and Helpful)

    Be polite. We ask that you keep your language clean and polite.
    Be understanding and patient. You may be a power user or developer, but the person youre talking to on the other end may be a complete newbie. Be patient, and provide all details possible if youre posting about a problem (descriptive thread title always helps).
    Be a pro. Dont get into arguments over dumb things. If someone responds in a poor or rude fashion, ignore it. If you notice a pattern of rude or poor behavior from a particular member, report them to our moderators. If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. In a nutshell, think before you post.
    Be attentive and helpful. Answer questions in a timely manner when you can, and provide thoughts and suggestions that might lead to the solution of a members problem.
    Thank you, because this "conservative bashing" is unacceptable.
    11-21-2014 07:41 PM
  13. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Thank you, because this "conservative bashing" is unacceptable.
    You guys are being rather ridiculous. And that's coming from a moderately conservative republican. Heck, y'all aren't even debating climate change. The closest y'all have gotten to debating climate change is debating which news source is better than the other for covering climate change.


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    11-21-2014 07:53 PM
  14. ItnStln's Avatar
    You guys are being rather ridiculous. And that's coming from a moderately conservative republican. Heck, y'all aren't even debating climate change. The closest y'all have gotten to debating climate change is debating which news source is better than the other for covering climate change.


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    The last time I checked I wasn't debating the climate change. I was just pointing out how conservative bashing is accepted here but when someone bashes a liberal they get messages from the mods.
    11-21-2014 08:01 PM
  15. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    The last time I checked I wasn't debating the climate change. I was just pointing out how conservative bashing is accepted here but when someone bashes a liberal they get messages from the mods.
    Several of the mods are conservative themselves. And I don't think it was that you bashed liberals(which is immature no matter who is bashing who) but how you did it.


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    11-21-2014 08:06 PM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    Yes I'm serious. In another thread you, in more words, called all White people racist. I have no problem. You're the one who's either too afraid or too ashamed to admit you're a liberal. ....
    I am not afraid to admit I am a liberal or leftist, nor does the term socialist scare me. I am also in a labor union which a lot of conservatives think are evil or socialistic in nature.

    Break the words down. Socialism, what does social mean? It means, "people". Capitalism, what does capital mean? It means "money".

    The lefts thinks "we", always looking out for the many rather than the few or themselves, lending a helping hand...etc...

    The right thinks "me", always looking out for #1, rugged individualism, sink or swim buddy,...etc...

    The choice is yours to make.
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    11-21-2014 09:47 PM
  17. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    I am not afraid to admit I am a liberal or leftist, nor does the term socialist scare me. I am also in a labor union which a lot of conservatives think are evil or socialistic in nature.

    Break the words down. Socialism, what does social mean? It means, "people". Capitalism, what does capital mean? It means "money".

    The lefts thinks "we", always looking out for the many rather than the few or themselves, lending a helping hand...etc...

    The right thinks "me", always looking out for #1, rugged individualism, sink or swim buddy,...etc...

    The choice is yours to make.
    I respectfully, strongly disagree with your description of both the right and left, but I don't want to start a big debate in a thread that's not even about this. So I'll leave it to that. Peace.


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    11-21-2014 10:00 PM
  18. A895's Avatar
    And that folks is why climate change is a political debate, people believe their personal beliefs trump science. This is why Republicans (for no reason besides political) want to reintroduce the Keystone Pipeline Bill, even though it is already been said that it will pollute peoples water if there are any leaks, and further pollute the world we live in. But, no go ahead, political agendas are what matters most to the right more than ever, so they need more wins to make themselves feel good.

    I hope those 4 million "illegals" that are going to be able to stay in the U.S. don't keep anyone on the right up at night.
    11-22-2014 08:17 PM
  19. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    "This is why republicans(for no reason besides political ) want to reintroduce the keystone XL pipeline bill"

    So creating jobs is a bad political agenda? It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about! The only reason, and I repeat only reason we want the keystone XL pipeline is because it will create thousands of jobs. http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...sands-of-jobs/
    Now which party only thinks about themselves? And which party doesn't care about others?
    Here's a quote from the link above:
    "Patterson Pump Company manufactures safety equipment that would secure the almost 12,000 miles of pipeline waiting to be built. Its Toccoa, Ga.based facility is the largest private employer in the town. Pattersons production line is only one part of a much longer supply chain that includes the companies that make component parts for the equipment and the transportation networks that deliver the parts and the finished products. For Patterson Pump and the dozens of other manufacturers in the supply chain, Keystone equals jobs for decades to come."
    So us republicans only care about rich people, right? The keystone XL pipeline would create manufacturing jobs, jobs that help grow the middle class.
    As for your second paragraph, I don't think it belongs in a thread about the environment. But I will say that no, I haven't lost sleep over it, because I think it was one of obama's best moves yet.

    And another quote:
    "Even President Obamas own administration recognizes Keystones positive jobs impact. The final State Department review found that the pipeline would create upward of 42,000 jobs during the construction period alone, and it would do so without a significant environmental impact, according to the State Departments report. Economists, meanwhile, have found that the pipeline would create 20,000 manufacturing and construction jobs and an additional 118,000 spin-off jobs. There is no lack of evidence to justify Keystones capacity to fuel job creation, as President Obama claimed last year. Our companies jobs would count among those 42,000real names and faces to us."


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    11-22-2014 08:49 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    "This is why republicans(for no reason besides political ) want to reintroduce the keystone XL pipeline bill"

    So creating jobs is a bad political agenda? It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about! The only reason, and I repeat only reason we want the keystone XL pipeline is because it will create thousands of jobs. http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...sands-of-jobs/
    Now which party only thinks about themselves? And which party doesn't care about others?
    Here's a quote from the link above:
    "Patterson Pump Company manufactures safety equipment that would secure the almost 12,000 miles of pipeline waiting to be built. Its Toccoa, Ga.based facility is the largest private employer in the town. Pattersons production line is only one part of a much longer supply chain that includes the companies that make component parts for the equipment and the transportation networks that deliver the parts and the finished products. For Patterson Pump and the dozens of other manufacturers in the supply chain, Keystone equals jobs for decades to come."
    So us republicans only care about rich people, right? The keystone XL pipeline would create manufacturing jobs, jobs that help grow the middle class.
    As for your second paragraph, I don't think it belongs in a thread about the environment. But I will say that no, I haven't lost sleep over it, because I think it was one of obama's best moves yet.

    And another quote:
    "Even President Obamas own administration recognizes Keystones positive jobs impact. The final State Department review found that the pipeline would create upward of 42,000 jobs during the construction period alone, and it would do so without a significant environmental impact, according to the State Departments report. Economists, meanwhile, have found that the pipeline would create 20,000 manufacturing and construction jobs and an additional 118,000 spin-off jobs. There is no lack of evidence to justify Keystones capacity to fuel job creation, as President Obama claimed last year. Our companies jobs would count among those 42,000real names and faces to us."


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    And here is the major news. It is now fact that the pipeline will only create 35 permanent jobs. This temp jobs won't do anything after they are gone. And you still have to consider the environmental impact a leak would have around the pipeline.

    Not to mention the amount of private land has to be set aside for a private corporation. I can't find any reasonable argument to justify this pipeline. Potential environmental problems, people will be upset at their land being taken, a bunch of temp jobs that will be gone as soon as the construction ends.


    What reasonable long term goals can actually come from this being constructed?

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    11-23-2014 12:59 AM
  21. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    And here is the major news. It is now fact that the pipeline will only create 35 permanent jobs. This temp jobs won't do anything after they are gone. And you still have to consider the environmental impact a leak would have around the pipeline.

    Not to mention the amount of private land has to be set aside for a private corporation. I can't find any reasonable argument to justify this pipeline. Potential environmental problems, people will be upset at their land being taken, a bunch of temp jobs that will be gone as soon as the construction ends.


    What reasonable long term goals can actually come from this being constructed?

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    When has a construction project ever created permanent, career like jobs? Never. That's how construction is. When a new road is built, private land has to be purchased, and workers hired. When the road project is done, those workers are let go. BUT those workers now have job experience, and the chances of them getting a job are better. This is exactly how the keystone XL project will be. And just for the record, Obama in the past has been a huge advocate for building new roads and schools and such because he said... Wait for it.... It would create jobs.... Construction jobs. A construction job is a construction job whether it's building a new highway, school, the new World Trade Center, or the keystone XL pipeline, and they all have one thing in common: they will all be finished at some point. So it's ridiculous to argue against the pipeline just because the jobs aren't permanent, because no construction job or project is.


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    11-23-2014 09:04 AM
  22. A895's Avatar
    When has a construction project ever created permanent, career like jobs? Never. That's how construction is. When a new road is built, private land has to be purchased, and workers hired. When the road project is done, those workers are let go. BUT those workers now have job experience, and the chances of them getting a job are better. This is exactly how the keystone XL project will be. And just for the record, Obama in the past has been a huge advocate for building new roads and schools and such because he said... Wait for it.... It would create jobs.... Construction jobs. A construction job is a construction job whether it's building a new highway, school, the new World Trade Center, or the keystone XL pipeline, and they all have one thing in common: they will all be finished at some point. So it's ridiculous to argue against the pipeline just because the jobs aren't permanent, because no construction job or project is.


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    You are cherry picking. Not only will those jobs be temporary, but are we going ignore potential environmental problems and the seizure of private citizen owned land for a corporation?

    I thought conservatives loved the constitution?

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    11-23-2014 11:10 AM
  23. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Seizure of private property? You mean purchase of private property? How is this any different from a new road?


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    11-23-2014 12:59 PM
  24. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    I think it would be accurate to say that neither of us are going to change the others view point, right?


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    11-23-2014 01:17 PM
  25. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    So let me ask everyone in this thread:
    On a personal level what have you done to reduce your emissions?

    For myself, I own a diesel Vw Jetta that gets 45 mpg. I also try to be as responsible as possible to take actions that will help the earth.


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    11-23-2014 01:52 PM
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