1. ItnStln's Avatar
    I think you just like to Provocate..
    Which is typical of a liberal.
    11-12-2014 04:39 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    Which is typical of a liberal.
    Generalizations will get you nowhere. Is anyone who does not agree to your ideology immediately labeled a liberal?
    11-12-2014 04:41 PM
  3. ItnStln's Avatar
    Generalizations will get you nowhere. Is anyone who does not agree to your ideology immediately labeled a liberal?
    What, can you not take the truth? It isn't a generalization if it is true.
    11-12-2014 04:44 PM
  4. HAWK's Avatar
    Kicking a dead horse gentlemen. We have been through the same nonsense bickering about three weeks ago on the same thread.
    11-12-2014 04:46 PM
  5. cmrobbins42's Avatar
    Kicking a dead horse gentlemen. We have been through the same nonsense bickering about three weeks ago on the same thread.
    I vote the thread should be closed as everyone has done a really good job demonstrating how any discussion can turn political.
    11-12-2014 04:56 PM
  6. A895's Avatar
    What, can you not take the truth? It isn't a generalization if it is true.
    How does that have any basis in truth?
    11-12-2014 05:00 PM
  7. HAWK's Avatar
    I vote the thread should be closed as everyone has done a really good job demonstrating how any discussion can turn political.
    Well everyone has a right here to discuss whatever they like as long as it's done in a polite and fair manner. Taking away these threads although I am not a fan of them either would take away The ability to have a voice on certain topics here on the forum. People here in the past have had political debates and have kept them fairly clean. It's up to the people who use these threads to keep them free of name calling, racism, and ignorant comments. If your mature enough to create an account here you should have no problem playing nice and following our simple rules and we'll just be nice.
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    11-12-2014 05:00 PM
  8. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    I have a tendency to get my information from sources like this ...
    Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says
    Why is the climate change debate a political one in the United States?-climate-change-scientific-consensus.png

    Rather than these folks ...
    Why is the climate change debate a political one in the United States?-936f17d3dd33211d6179ceecb4f88b4e.jpg

    Yet someone has the gall to call me uneducated ...
    11-15-2014 10:38 AM
  9. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Well everyone has a right here to discuss whatever they like as long as it's done in a polite and fair manner. Taking away these threads although I am not a fan of them either would take away The ability to have a voice on certain topics here on the forum. People here in the past have had political debates and have kept them fairly clean. It's up to the people who use these threads to keep them free of name calling, racism, and ignorant comments. If your mature enough to create an account here you should have no problem playing nice and following our simple rules and we'll just be nice.
    I agree. Unfortunately, some of us who are alleged to be mature lack tolerance and an open mind. Easily dismissing one source in favor of another that agrees with one's personal view shows a good deal of bias and an unwillingness to entertain an opposing view. Of course, the opposition is always the idiots, right? #smh. One side seems to accept the other side's differing point of view even though they may disagree with it whereas the other side flat out have disdain for the differing view and the person with the differing view. #smh again. But hey, that's what makes threads like this entertaining, I suppose....
    11-15-2014 10:55 AM
  10. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I believe what Dr. Roy W. Spencer says about global warming. But first, about Dr. Spencer.
    Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASAs Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASAs Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencers work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASAs Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

    This is what Dr. Spencer says:

    Global warming refers to the global-average temperature increase that has been observed over the last one hundred years or more. But to many politicians and the public, the term carries the implication that mankind is responsible for that warming. This website describes evidence from my groups government-funded research that suggests global warming is mostly natural, and that the climate system is quite insensitive to humanitys greenhouse gas emissions and aerosol pollution.

    Believe it or not, very little research has ever been funded to search for natural mechanisms of warmingit has simply been assumed that global warming is manmade. This assumption is rather easy for scientists since we do not have enough accurate global data for a long enough period of time to see whether there are natural warming mechanisms at work.

    The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claims that the only way they can get their computerized climate models to produce the observed warming is with anthropogenic (human-caused) pollution. But theyre not going to find something if they dont search for it. More than one scientist has asked me, What else COULD it be? Well, the answer to that takes a little digging and as I show, one doesnt have to dig very far.

    But first lets examine the basics of why so many scientists think global warming is manmade. Earths atmosphere contains natural greenhouse gases (mostly water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane) which act to keep the lower layers of the atmosphere warmer than they otherwise would be without those gases. Greenhouse gases trap infrared radiation the radiant heat energy that the Earth naturally emits to outer space in response to solar heating. Mankinds burning of fossil fuels (mostly coal, petroleum, and natural gas) releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and this is believed to be enhancing the Earths natural greenhouse effect. As of 2008, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was about 40% to 45% higher than it was before the start of the industrial revolution in the 1800′s.

    It is interesting to note that, even though carbon dioxide is necessary for life on Earth to exist, there is precious little of it in Earths atmosphere. As of 2008, only 39 out of every 100,000 molecules of air were CO2, and it will take mankinds CO2 emissions 5 more years to increase that number by 1, to 40.

    The Holy Grail: Climate Sensitivity Figuring out how much past warming is due to mankind, and how much more we can expect in the future, depends upon something called climate sensitivity. This is the temperature response of the Earth to a given amount of radiative forcing, of which there are two kinds: a change in either the amount of sunlight absorbed by the Earth, or in the infrared energy the Earth emits to outer space.

    The consensus of opinion is that the Earths climate sensitivity is quite high, and so warming of about 0.25 deg. C to 0.5 deg. C (about 0.5 deg. F to 0.9 deg. F) every 10 years can be expected for as long as mankind continues to use fossil fuels as our primary source of energy. NASAs James Hansen claims that climate sensitivity is very high, and that we have already put too much extra CO2 in the atmosphere. Presumably this is why he and Al Gore are campaigning for a moratorium on the construction of any more coal-fired power plants in the U.S.

    You would think that wed know the Earths climate sensitivity by now, but it has been surprisingly difficult to determine. How atmospheric processes like clouds and precipitation systems respond to warming is critical, as they are either amplifying the warming, or reducing it. This website currently concentrates on the response of clouds to warming, an issue which I am now convinced the scientific community has totally misinterpreted when they have measured natural, year-to-year fluctuations in the climate system. As a result of that confusion, they have the mistaken belief that climate sensitivity is high, when in fact the satellite evidence suggests climate sensitivity is low.

    The case for natural climate change I also present an analysis of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation which shows that most climate change might well be the result of.the climate system itself! Because small, chaotic fluctuations in atmospheric and oceanic circulation systems can cause small changes in global average cloudiness, this is all that is necessary to cause climate change. You dont need the sun, or any other external influence (although these are also possiblebut for now Ill let others work on that). It is simply what the climate system does. This is actually quite easy for meteorologists to believe, since we understand how complex weather processes are. Your local TV meteorologist is probably a closet skeptic regarding mankinds influence on climate.

    Climate change it happens, with or without our help.


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
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    11-15-2014 12:13 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    So do we not agree that humans can have no affect not he environment. What is being pushed is that humans can't affect the climate but the amount of pollution, and chemicals that go into our environment has to affect it in some way.
    Les74 and hydrogen3 like this.
    11-15-2014 01:24 PM
  12. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I have a tendency to get my information from sources like this ...
    Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says
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    Rather than these folks ...
    Click image for larger version. 

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    Yet someone has the gall to call me uneducated ...
    Nothing to see here folk's. Run along.
    11-15-2014 02:21 PM
  13. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I find my self attracted to the truth. My source of information comes from. Fox News, infowars.com, mark levin, coast to coast, Andrew wilcow. To name a few.
    11-15-2014 03:42 PM
  14. ItnStln's Avatar
    Rather than these folks ...
    Click image for larger version. 

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    Yet someone has the gall to call me uneducated ...
    Right, because CNN is so much better. I think not!
    hydrogen3 likes this.
    11-15-2014 04:04 PM
  15. Les74's Avatar
    Right, because CNN is so much better. I think not!
    When did anyone ever proclaim that CNN was the pinnacle of journalism? You either need to learn to read or come up with a better retort.....or both.
    11-15-2014 04:07 PM
  16. hydrogen3's Avatar
    When did anyone ever proclaim that CNN was the pinnacle of journalism? You either need to learn to read or come up with a better retort.....or both.
    You did! Don't you read your own post!?!
    11-15-2014 04:10 PM
  17. ItnStln's Avatar
    You did! Don't you read your own post!?!
    Exactly!
    11-15-2014 04:13 PM
  18. Les74's Avatar
    Exactly!
    You did! Don't you read your own post!?!
    You two are just ridiculous. At no point do either of you make any sense. We would all have more sense having a discussion about biochemical engineering with a 3 year old....with the exact same result.
    11-15-2014 05:47 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Right, because CNN is so much better. I think not!
    No one brought up CNN. But by hydrogen's own proclamation, he does watch fox. So....
    11-15-2014 05:51 PM
  20. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I think you guys are in a
    haze this Saturday night.
    11-15-2014 06:13 PM
  21. ItnStln's Avatar
    You two are just ridiculous. At no point do either of you make any sense. We would all have more sense having a discussion about biochemical engineering with a 3 year old....with the exact same result.
    No one brought up CNN. But by hydrogen's own proclamation, he does watch fox. So....
    Go get an education you two!
    I think you guys are in a
    haze this Saturday night.
    What gave that impression? They're doing what uneducated liberals do, claim the facts are not real.
    11-15-2014 06:35 PM
  22. A895's Avatar
    Go get an education you two!

    What gave that impression? They're doing what uneducated liberals do, claim the facts are not real.
    Get an education? What facts? Liberals? Do you read what you type with a straight face?
    11-15-2014 06:37 PM
  23. A895's Avatar
    I think you guys are in a
    haze this Saturday night.
    You have been in a haze for a while it seems.
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    11-15-2014 06:38 PM
  24. ItnStln's Avatar
    Get an education? What facts? Liberals? Do you read what you type with a straight face?
    You seem to be the one that does not read what they type!
    You have been in a haze for a while it seems.
    What is it with you liberals and your personal attacks?
    11-15-2014 06:39 PM
  25. pr1nce's Avatar
    [WARN]DO NOT make the debate personal. Discuss the topic, NOT the other members posting in the thread.[/WARN]
    11-15-2014 06:47 PM
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