1. hydrogen3's Avatar
    05-29-2014 12:39 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    The global warming/climate change agenda is indeed a farce. Man did not create this planet nor did man create anything from something that was not supplied by this planet. Having said that, we have zero control over climate, and just like there are four seasons, the climate changes all the time without our intervention. Unfortunately, far too many people have bought into the save the planet crap. I guess it makes them feel good to *think* they are actually saving something GOD-made. They don't want to see that it's all about the transfer of wealth and power, but I suppose it's their choice, right?
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    05-29-2014 12:47 PM
  3. HankAZ's Avatar
    The global warming/climate change agenda is indeed a farce. Man did not create this planet nor did man create anything from something that was not supplied by this planet. Having said that, we have zero control over climate, and just like there are four seasons, the climate changes all the time without our intervention. Unfortunately, far too many people have bought into the save the planet crap. I guess it makes them feel good to *think* they are actually saving something GOD-made. They don't want to see that it's all about the transfer of wealth and power, but I suppose it's their choice, right?
    The folks like Al Gore, who are supposed to be championing this whole thing are (1) among the largest abusers of their so-called mandates, and (2) have gotten obscenely rich from spreading these lies.

    I’m all for being a good steward of the planet and its resources, but you are absolutely correct in that man did not create this planet/solar system, and, likewise, man does not have it in his power to destroy it.

    Also, the fact that Obama is pushing ANY program convinces me that he’s a fraud, a socialist with his own agenda, and cannot be trusted. Look at his history of “bending” the truth. If his lips are moving, you can bet it’s gonna cost the American tax payers big time… and that he’s lying again.
    05-29-2014 01:28 PM
  4. hydrogen3's Avatar
    climate change—is a hoax.
    06-30-2014 01:57 PM
  5. John Yester's Avatar
    I always go with..... trust no one.....
    06-30-2014 02:12 PM
  6. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    climate changeis a hoax.
    The man caused variety is a hoax. Whatever we experience is Mother Nature doing her thing.


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    06-30-2014 02:18 PM
  7. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    I'm not sure how to respond to that article. Maybe I'll think of something once I stop laughing.
    06-30-2014 02:30 PM
  8. anon7833325's Avatar
    So I suppose little things like the Cuyahoga River catching on fire, repeatedly, also had nothing to do with man? Or the people in West Virginia that can't drink their tap because of the "sludge" from coal mining. To discount the real impact we have on the environment around us is to be blind. But, to each their own.


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    06-30-2014 02:33 PM
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    The global warming/climate change agenda is indeed a farce. Man did not create this planet nor did man create anything from something that was not supplied by this planet. Having said that, we have zero control over climate, and just like there are four seasons, the climate changes all the time without our intervention. Unfortunately, far too many people have bought into the save the planet crap. I guess it makes them feel good to *think* they are actually saving something GOD-made. They don't want to see that it's all about the transfer of wealth and power, but I suppose it's their choice, right?
    It really means a lot to me that you posted that! It is such a blessing to have you as a leader here at iMore! I agree with everything that you posted. The earth had been having periods of climate change for 6000 years. And right now, maybe the earth is slightly warmer. But in 20 years, it could go through a period of global cooling.


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    06-30-2014 02:40 PM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It really means a lot to me that you posted that! It is such a blessing to have you as a leader here at iMore! I agree with everything that you posted. The earth had been having periods of climate change for 6000 years. And right now, maybe the earth is slightly warmer. But in 20 years, it could go through a period of global cooling.


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    Thank you...
    06-30-2014 02:43 PM
  11. hydrogen3's Avatar
    So I suppose little things like the Cuyahoga River catching on fire, repeatedly, also had nothing to do with man? Or the people in West Virginia that can't drink their tap because of the "sludge" from coal mining. To discount the real impact we have on the environment around us is to be blind. But, to each their own.


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    Please...

    Rivers don't "catch fire" as Water can not support combustion. However, Chemicals in water may burn.. So... a river catching fire is not from "climate change". Neither is "not being able to drink tap water" a result from "climate change".

    Climate change defined.
    06-30-2014 02:52 PM
  12. anon7833325's Avatar
    Please...

    Rivers don't "catch fire" as Water can not support combustion. However, Chemicals in water may burn.. So... a river catching fire is not from "climate change". Neither is "not being able to drink tap water" a result from "climate change".

    Climate change defined.
    You know, had you read the words in my post you would have seen "environment". Not "climate". Never said those things constitute climate change. I was merely taking exception to this seeming idea of "man can't hurt the planet" mindset.


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    06-30-2014 03:01 PM
  13. anon7833325's Avatar
    It really means a lot to me that you posted that! It is such a blessing to have you as a leader here at iMore! I agree with everything that you posted. The earth had been having periods of climate change for 6000 years. And right now, maybe the earth is slightly warmer. But in 20 years, it could go through a period of global cooling.


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    And 6000 years? Hate to break it to you, the earth has been around just a bit longer than that. But thank you. Your blessings make my world so complete. See? I can also do sarcasm.


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    06-30-2014 03:03 PM
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    But more to the basic point, yes, chemicals in water burn. Shocker!!! But, to take your mindset, the chemicals HAD to be in there naturally. Because man can't harm the planet, right?


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    06-30-2014 03:04 PM
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    And 6000 years? Hate to break it to you, the earth has been around just a bit longer than that. But thank you. Your blessings make my world so complete. See? I can also do sarcasm.


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    I'm not interested in arguing about it with you here. And I wasn't being sarcastic either. I meant it.


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    06-30-2014 03:04 PM
  16. hydrogen3's Avatar
    No, No, No.

    The chemicals were obviously man made. I never said man did not harm the planet. Let's agree to disagree on the issue of climate change..

    Regards
    06-30-2014 03:13 PM
  17. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    So I suppose little things like the Cuyahoga River catching on fire, repeatedly, also had nothing to do with man? Or the people in West Virginia that can't drink their tap because of the "sludge" from coal mining. To discount the real impact we have on the environment around us is to be blind. But, to each their own.


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    How far back in time do we go in regard to blaming mankind? Do we go back to the first man? If so, who taught him how to cultivate and live off the land? When he discovered things like coal and oil and how it gave him a good deal of light and warmth, should he had assumed it would harm the planet and discarded the discovery or be thankful for having a means to maintain light in the darkness and for warmth? Should he have not taught those who came after him how to use the coal for his comfort? What about erupting volcanoes that spew lava, smoke and ash for miles covering landscape and flowing into rivers and streams killing multitudes of animals and fish? Is that man's fault? Why can't we keep the outside temperature at 75 degrees year round? Why can't we prevent it from lightning or prevent tornados, tsunamis and hurricanes that kill man and beast alike since we're allegedly in control of the climate? Do I really need to continue?
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    06-30-2014 04:02 PM
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    How far back in time do we go in regard to blaming mankind? Do we go back to the first man? If so, who taught him how to cultivate and live off the land? When he discovered things like coal and oil and how it gave him a good deal of light and warmth, should he had assumed it would harm the planet and discarded the discovery or be thankful for having a means to maintain light in the darkness and for warmth? Should he have not taught those who came after him how to use the coal for his comfort? What about erupting volcanoes that spew lava, smoke and ash for miles covering landscape and flowing into rivers and streams killing multitudes of fish? Is that man's fault? Why can't we keep the outside temperature at 75 degrees year round? Why can't we prevent it from lightning or prevent tornados, tsunamis and hurricanes that kill man and beast alike since we're allegedly in control of the climate? Do I really need to continue?
    Again, I would merely point out, as I already have that I was referring to man's ability to damage the environment. Which, as I'm sure you realize, is entirely different and independent of any alleged ability to control the environment. And it's not a matter of "blaming man" for damaging the environment. It's a matter of realizing that the things we do have consequences. That realization needs to happen even if the actions of early man are entirely understandable, which they are. But now we have the ability to do the same thing in different ways. And, for practical purposes, do you understand the nature of fossil fuels like coal and oil? They are in limited supply. Even if one completely disregards any and all environmental damage resulting from misuse, it should be seen as entirely practical to at least seriously look at developing sources of energy that are not going to inevitably run out at some point.

    And to answer your last question, no. You do not need to continue taking this discussion to ridiculous levels. Nor do you need to continue crediting me for saying things I did not say. Conceptualizing controlling the weather and world around us is, to restate this, entirely different from acknowledging the environmental impact of things that we do.

    Being a total cynic, I do not expect any of this to resonate with you. And if that's the case, we can agree to disagree.


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    06-30-2014 04:25 PM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Again, I would merely point out, as I already have that I was referring to man's ability to damage the environment. Which, as I'm sure you realize, is entirely different and independent of any alleged ability to control the environment. And it's not a matter of "blaming man" for damaging the environment. It's a matter of realizing that the things we do have consequences. That realization needs to happen even if the actions of early man are entirely understandable, which they are. But now we have the ability to do the same thing in different ways. And, for practical purposes, do you understand the nature of fossil fuels like coal and oil? They are in limited supply. Even if one completely disregards any and all environmental damage resulting from misuse, it should be seen as entirely practical to at least seriously look at developing sources of energy that are not going to inevitably run out at some point.

    And to answer your last question, no. You do not need to continue taking this discussion to ridiculous levels. Nor do you need to continue crediting me for saying things I did not say. Conceptualizing controlling the weather and world around us is, to restate this, entirely different from acknowledging the environmental impact of things that we do.

    Being a total cynic, I do not expect any of this to resonate with you. And if that's the case, we can agree to disagree.


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    It should be common sense to know that there are consequences for everything we do. It should also be noted that moving away from an energy source that's been around for ions will also have consequences. It's like the argument of reusable paper to save trees, yet, are we saving trees in that regard? Do we not use 3 times as many pieces of reusable paper than we would have if things have stayed the way they were? What about the food ok' light bulb from our youth. What was wrong with them? Nothing. Yet, we are pushed to use the newer kind that cost more and doesn't last as long. Consequences? More money and more purchases. Of course I can continue, and yes it is "ridiculous", but only to those who aren't open to opposing views.
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    06-30-2014 04:42 PM
  20. anon7833325's Avatar
    I can't speak to the reusable paper. But as far as the new CFL light bulbs, every bulb in my house is one of them. And from my experience, they last quite a bit longer. We used to have to replace the one by our back door every three to six months. Now it's once a year or so.

    And I am open to opposing views. What's "ridiculous" is comparing man caused damage (trash in a river) to the natural disasters we see everyday.


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    06-30-2014 05:14 PM
  21. hydrogen3's Avatar
    There is debate to add a carbon tax. Meaning farmers will pay for their animal every time they fart. Yes fart..farting emits methane gas in to the atmosphere. Ridiculous !!

    Should we be taxed for farting or breathing out carbon dioxide?

    Climate change is real. climate changes from winter to spring, summer to fall. Nothing more.


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    06-30-2014 05:17 PM
  22. hydrogen3's Avatar
    I can't speak to the reusable paper. But as far as the new CFL light bulbs, every bulb in my house is one of them. And from my experience, they last quite a bit longer. We used to have to replace the one by our back door every three to six months. Now it's once a year or so.

    And I am open to opposing views. What's "ridiculous" is comparing man caused damage (trash in a river) to the natural disasters we see everyday.


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    This post is about climate change not environmental issues. You could start an environmental thread and stop hijacking this one.

    I'm just saying.


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    06-30-2014 05:21 PM
  23. anon7833325's Avatar
    This post is about climate change not environmental issues. You could start an environmental thread and stop hijacking this one.

    I'm just saying.


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    Well, part of the title is about the "political agenda". But, I didn't realize responding to those who respond to me was "hijacking". Please, excuse my intrusion into your world.


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    06-30-2014 05:25 PM
  24. hydrogen3's Avatar
    Well, part of the title is about the "political agenda". But, I didn't realize responding to those who respond to me was "hijacking". Please, excuse my intrusion into your world.


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    Global warming and the political agenda. Not environmental issues and the political agenda.


    Good grief.


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    06-30-2014 05:29 PM
  25. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I can't speak to the reusable paper. But as far as the new CFL light bulbs, every bulb in my house is one of them. And from my experience, they last quite a bit longer. We used to have to replace the one by our back door every three to six months. Now it's once a year or so.

    And I am open to opposing views. What's "ridiculous" is comparing man caused damage (trash in a river) to the natural disasters we see everyday.


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    I know what you mean, and you're right. Comparing man caused damage to natural disasters is ridiculous, and yet, climate change/global warming is attributed not to "nature", but to man. Not only that, but to use that attribute / deception as a means to transfer wealth from what some view as outdated energy sources to alleged "cleaner" energy is flat out evil. You know it's funny how the tried and true gets looked at as old and outdated with the exception of the Postal service, of course. #smh
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    06-30-2014 05:57 PM
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