1. footdrum's Avatar
    Why is it that google (and asus) can do a small, lightweight device with great battery and a high res screen but apple can't? What am I missing here? I've heard Rene say a lot about out of battery, size, and screen res you can pick 2 and Apple chose battery and size, but it seems like Google chose all 3 and put it out at a lower price. Is it because of different screen tech? What makes the retina display better than the Nexus display? If Apple doesn't release a retina iPad mini this year I don't see people understanding what the hold up is. I'm not trying to spell doom for Apple, I just want to see Apple kick the pants off everyone in the market
    mcgowan398 likes this.
    07-26-2013 11:11 AM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I don't know, but in regard to Apple kicking the pants off of everyone else, it's already doing that. Still, Apple products, with or without a retina display, small or large, light or heavy will not appease everyone. Some people prefer the Nexus and some do not and there is nothing wrong with that.
    07-26-2013 11:23 AM
  3. kch50428's Avatar
    07-26-2013 11:48 AM
  4. sanc333's Avatar
    i just know one thing. when iPad mini came out last fall it made all the 7 inch android tablets eat dust in drawers. so when next version of iPad mini comes out , the nexus 7 will see the same drawer
    07-26-2013 02:06 PM
  5. footdrum's Avatar
    Thanks everybody.
    07-26-2013 07:38 PM
  6. Rule9's Avatar
    i just know one thing. when iPad mini came out last fall it made all the 7 inch android tablets eat dust in drawers. so when next version of iPad mini comes out , the nexus 7 will see the same drawer
    We can play that game for the next 100 years if you want. The fact remains that Google just nailed down first place for the most kickarse 7" tablet currently available right NOW. Ahead of Apple. And for under $300.

    Your counter argument is that the next iPad Mini will outdo the new N7. To which I can say the next Nexus Tablet will outdo that. Like I said, we can go back and forth endlessly like this for the foreseeable future.

    What should matter to you is given that the hardware is constantly going back and forth for "best" but still remains pretty even, is which ecosystem you prefer. And I hate to ruffle all you iFans but Android innovation has been consistently ahead of iOS without suffering the old drawbacks of stability problems or lag ever since November 2012 and 4.1 Jellybean. In terms of innovation but with some hiccups it's been ahead for longer than that even. I also view iOS7 as a baby step that should've been taken in 2011 and still has a long way to go to match Android's features and capabilities.

    I say this knowing I'm posting on iMore and will be generally disagreed with. Noted, and thank-you.
    07-29-2013 01:14 PM
  7. tigerinexile's Avatar
    Android is ahead features-wise, but Apple presents things in a pleasing way. Products that on paper are the same or slightly inferior just FEEL better. This is why they sell.

    That said, it's time for a Retina iPad Mini. And it's time soon for Apple to wow us again with a product design that we didn't know we wanted/needed.
    07-29-2013 03:37 PM
  8. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    The iPad mini isn't strong because of the screen. It's strong because android tablet appsarepretty bad compared to the iPad. Also, largest podcast directory, some asps only available on android as adware, etc. That stuff matters. Most android device since late 2011 onward have been over specs so users are pretty deaf to spec rage these days. Doesn't help that OEM's like Samsung are pumping out devices that aren't much better. The mini is a mid range device. Comparing it to the new nexus is like comparing the 4s to a GS4.

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    Last edited by n8ter#AC; 07-30-2013 at 08:40 PM.
    07-30-2013 07:38 PM
  9. Stefano_B's Avatar
    I just bought the New Nexus 7 and it's fantastic! Everything about is better than the older one. It's a great 7" Android tablet, probably one of the best IMO. No regrets at all. Highly recommended. The mini and the 7" are two different devices, not sure why people even compare them.
    07-30-2013 08:44 PM
  10. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    I bought the Nook HD+ (with Google Play). I'm glad I didn't "splurge" on a Nexus and the iPad Mini is just overpriced - IMO. However, it's ecosystem is carrying it at the moment. If Android had as decent a tablet app ecosystem things would have been a bit more interesting. Have yet to run into a game that lagged on this thing, and the battery life is kind of phenomenal. It has iPad-level standby times... I've never seen an Android device so conservative with battery before... 8 Hours+ of on screen time with fairly heavy use I'm getting with this...

    They're (Mini, N7) the same type of device, it's just out of place to compare the iPad Mini with a 2nd Gen Nexus 7, notwithstanding the fact that it was never intended to compete with high end devices. The bigger iPads are where Apple is aiming to compete there. Same type (Small Form Factor Tablets), different class (Mid Range vs. High End).

    Apple just prices everything like it's a flagship product... I couldn't personally justify paying that much for the Mini, even with its better ecosystem - nevermind the fact that Apple's services aren't decently portable to other platforms so lock-in is a huge concern with them, since I do not use OSX.
    07-30-2013 11:13 PM
  11. shanghaichica's Avatar
    i just know one thing. when iPad mini came out last fall it made all the 7 inch android tablets eat dust in drawers. so when next version of iPad mini comes out , the nexus 7 will see the same drawer
    I'd pretty much agree with this. Despite all it's 'limitations' compared to the nexus 7 it still dominated the small tablet market. The thing is Apple don't really need to better the new nexus 7 in terms of specs. The mini 2 will still obliterate the nexus 7 in terms of sales.

    Also who's to say that the new nexus 7 has a good battery life? It's pretty untested at the moment. The first nexus 7's battery life wasn't that good. I'd rather have a capable and reliable mini than an all singing all dancing nexus 7 with all manner of bugs and instabilities.
    08-01-2013 01:29 AM
  12. anon5664829's Avatar
    We can play that game for the next 100 years if you want. The fact remains that Google just nailed down first place for the most kickarse 7" tablet currently available right NOW. Ahead of Apple. And for under $300.

    Your counter argument is that the next iPad Mini will outdo the new N7. To which I can say the next Nexus Tablet will outdo that. Like I said, we can go back and forth endlessly like this for the foreseeable future.

    What should matter to you is given that the hardware is constantly going back and forth for "best" but still remains pretty even, is which ecosystem you prefer. And I hate to ruffle all you iFans but Android innovation has been consistently ahead of iOS without suffering the old drawbacks of stability problems or lag ever since November 2012 and 4.1 Jellybean. In terms of innovation but with some hiccups it's been ahead for longer than that even. I also view iOS7 as a baby step that should've been taken in 2011 and still has a long way to go to match Android's features and capabilities.

    I say this knowing I'm posting on iMore and will be generally disagreed with. Noted, and thank-you.
    Android has more features. Most are not innovative. File browsers? on desktops. Downloads from browser? On desktops. Setting default apps? On desktop. Don't give me the BS that Android is "innovative" It has more features though and that is why I choose Android over any PRESENT iPhone.
    08-02-2013 05:34 AM
  13. anon5664829's Avatar
    I'd pretty much agree with this. Despite all it's 'limitations' compared to the nexus 7 it still dominated the small tablet market. The thing is Apple don't really need to better the new nexus 7 in terms of specs. The mini 2 will still obliterate the nexus 7 in terms of sales.

    Also who's to say that the new nexus 7 has a good battery life? It's pretty untested at the moment. The first nexus 7's battery life wasn't that good. I'd rather have a capable and reliable mini than an all singing all dancing nexus 7 with all manner of bugs and instabilities.
    The new Nexus 7 is nor buggy or unstable. You should seriously consider using one before making stupid assumptions.
    08-02-2013 05:35 AM
  14. sanc333's Avatar
    chetan seeing your previous comments it is visible that you are probably using wrong forum to express your views.. you should try android central, they would respect android fanboys like you!
    08-03-2013 02:55 AM
  15. anon5664829's Avatar
    chetan seeing your previous comments it is visible that you are probably using wrong forum to express your views.. you should try android central, they would respect android fanboys like you!
    bwhahahahahahaha typical response. I love my iPad 4 far more then the Nexus 7 but that guy shouldn't make stupid assumptios such as that. I am hardly an Android fanboy far from it.
    08-03-2013 04:54 AM
  16. shanghaichica's Avatar
    The new Nexus 7 is nor buggy or unstable. You should seriously consider using one before making stupid assumptions.
    I never said the new nexus 7 was buggy or unstable. I was comparing the old nexus 7 to the current ipad mini, both of which I've owned and used side by side.
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    08-03-2013 08:58 AM
  17. shanghaichica's Avatar
    bwhahahahahahaha typical response. I love my iPad 4 far more then the Nexus 7 but that guy shouldn't make stupid assumptios such as that. I am hardly an Android fanboy far from it.
    I'm a girl by the way. So who's the one making assumptions
    08-03-2013 09:00 AM
  18. Eileen89's Avatar
    This thread is about the new Nexus screen VS The iPad Mini screen. Please keep the discussion friendly and get back on topic. Thank you.
    mcgowan398 likes this.
    08-03-2013 09:07 AM
  19. anon5664829's Avatar
    I'm a girl by the way. So who's the one making assumptions
    Sorry guilty as charged!
    08-03-2013 05:09 PM
  20. cardfan's Avatar
    Android is ahead features-wise, but Apple presents things in a pleasing way. Products that on paper are the same or slightly inferior just FEEL better. This is why they sell.

    That said, it's time for a Retina iPad Mini. And it's time soon for Apple to wow us again with a product design that we didn't know we wanted/needed.
    Are you sure android is ahead features wise? Really sure? Like sure as in you'd bet your house on it?
    08-04-2013 04:38 AM
  21. anon5664829's Avatar
    Are you sure android is ahead features wise? Really sure? Like sure as in you'd bet your house on it?
    Yes. I will bet my 3 acre house on it.
    08-04-2013 05:23 AM
  22. cardfan's Avatar
    Yes. I will bet my 3 acre house on it.
    Have you counted both up? You sound pretty confident. Don't forget, we're talking vanilla android. Not modifications like Sense or touchwiz.

    And no, i'm not going to count them (even if I am a CPA..lol). I can list off many things android can't do or do nearly as well. I know it's easy to see that iOS doesn't have widgets, pull down settings (yet) or ability to customize (much). This can easily lead to the perception that android has more features or capabilities. As obvious as that is, it's just two or three features..

    Hey, you can swipe your finger on an email to delete it. That's a feature right? iOS has tons of them. What about pressing the top bar to quickly scroll up? What about the bounce scrolling in iOS?

    We're talking about numbers in the thousands then if we're to add up all these features. Have you done this for each OS?

    I did see Google is still trying to catch up to Apple. Android gets a native phone finder service, finally | Ars Technica Here's their version of "find my iphone." And hey, lookie here, Google is going with its own "gamecenter" Google takes on Game Center with Google Play Games for Android - SomeDroid. How can this be? Where's the innovation? Stealing ideas from Apple? It's just disappointing right? Will android ever see 5.x? It's been what..a decade now stuck in the 4.x?

    Google still has a long way to go to match Apple's features and capabilities. With iOS 7 announced, google has an even longer road to catch up. iOS 7 changes the game. I say the first sentence with confidence because they can't frankly. Google isn't set up to do what Apple can provide. And nope, acquiring Moto did nothing for them. See Moto X. Google can't even update their own phone directly which ships with an old version of android. That's google supposedly "redefining" android. That's innovation right?
    Last edited by cardfan; 08-04-2013 at 06:22 AM.
    08-04-2013 06:12 AM
  23. tlo07's Avatar
    I had the original Nexus 7 before I got my iPad Mini. Although it did not stream smoothly for me (buffering a lot) it was a nice device for everything else. I gave it to my daughter when I got my iPad Mini. Being a gadget junkie I was curious about the N7.2. I looked at it in both Staples and Best Buy and both times I came back with the same opinion. The screen looks like it is being absolutely swallowed up by the bezels. I don't remember thinking that about the original N7. The screen just looked so tiny to me--like looking at a 5x7 photo centered in the middle of a photo album (yes, I know its really 7 inches). I suppose that is mostly because I've become accustomed to the larger screen size of the Mini and then also partly because the bezels are kind of fat on the N7.2. I will say the screen quality was excellent and the device was fast, fast, fast! With the high-resolution screen on the N7.2 and the rumored high-resolution screens on the up-coming Kindles, I do think it will be a shame if Apple does not increase the resolution on the Mini with the next iteration.
    08-04-2013 01:00 PM
  24. Anthonyiamador's Avatar
    quality not quantity. apple may be catching up to android when it comes to "features and capabilities", but andriod has a long way to go before it catches up with apple. a lot of androids "new features" are useless. who wants streaming video/audio to stop everytime they look away from the screen? not me...
    08-05-2013 02:25 AM
  25. cardfan's Avatar
    quality not quantity. apple may be catching up to android when it comes to "features and capabilities", but andriod has a long way to go before it catches up with apple. a lot of androids "new features" are useless. who wants streaming video/audio to stop everytime they look away from the screen? not me...
    That's not an android feature. That's part of touchwiz or samsungs bloatware whichever you prefer to call it.
    08-05-2013 04:44 AM
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